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embarrassed40

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Posted: 10-14-07 01:14am

Eiri wrote:
Um, back on topic...
I didn't know there were people running around trying to remove my rights O.o


They never were your rights...
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Posted: 10-14-07 01:14am

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Why do people have children?

Basic reason? To continue on the species.

Other reasons normally include they WANT to.

There are enough humans that we don't ALL need to continue the species. So that leaves child bearing reason #2: WANT. And if you don't WANT to, then you don't have to.
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Posted: 10-14-07 02:31am

I first came face to face with abortion when I was 20 years old and living away from home at university. I had a friend who I later realised was using me (but that's another story). This friend had a fiance that she was cheating on with another man and she wasn't using protection. I warned her that she'd end up getting pregnant, she even had a scare at one point but she wouldn't listen. Inevitably she ended up with a positive test in her hand. She told me nonchalantly that she was going to get an abortion. I was angry at her. I felt that she had purposely created a life just to destroy it. She had no intention of having a baby and yet did nothing to prevent it. She asked me to accompany her to the hospital to have her medical abortion and I refused; I wanted no part in the event and told her that her 'other man' should be the one to take her. Thinking back with a more mature head, the girl obviously had some kind of emotional problems because she was constantly attention seeking. The abortion was just another way to be centre of attention.

My next brush with abortion was when my mother and I read my late grandmother's medical notes and discovered she had an abortion (via hysterectomy) at 18 weeks. That shocked me. My grandmother's mental health took a sharp decline after the abortion and she developed OCD to the level that she thought she was killing children just by being near them.

So, with those two events as my main experiences of abortion, I came to ehealth as a pro-lifer. I did not have (and still don't have) any religious beliefs but I just felt that abortion was wrong, cruel and damaging to both women and babies.

Now, after lurking and then actively participating in the debate here I have come to a different conclusion. I still don't 'like' abortion. It bothers me that a human life is destroyed but I can't say why because I also believe that there is nothing special about humans other than that we are highly evolved animals. Obviously, because of the nature of our social and familial relationships with each other, we place high value on born human life.

I would consider myself pro-choice now because I do not wish to control the choices of other women. I can empathise with women who have an abortion (even my university friend) although I don't always agree with the reasons. Abortion still makes me uncomfortable and I don't think I could ever have an elective abortion (as opposed to a medically necessary one) but then, I don't know the future. Circumstances change and we have to make our decisions based on our lives at that time.

Anyway, that was rather long so have a banana if you managed to get to the end of it! Mr.
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Posted: 10-14-07 06:37am

Jincks013 wrote:
I'll have to do some research on this one.. why do we want children.. all the various gods know that we've enough people on this planet that we don't exactly need to reproduce to keep our species going right now.. a few could skip this cycle..I wanted children because I wanted to be a parent.
I knew I wanted two children before I knew anything about them. Two is all I had.


Do you beleive in God?? I thought you didn't.Smile
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Posted: 10-14-07 06:45am

Various God.. there is more then one ya know.. persoanlly I have two.. The Lady and The Lord. Any more questions ? *Hint - read it this time*
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Posted: 10-14-07 09:41am

Jincks013 wrote:
Various God.. there is more then one ya know.. persoanlly I have two.. The Lady and The Lord. Any more questions ? *Hint - read it this time*

Hummm, Nope, absolutely no more question for you! HINT? Oh yeah I forgot your a wicca!! or something like that!! Rolling Eyes
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:10am

Ok.. anymore obvious answers I can provide you then?
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:12am

Jincks013 wrote:
Ok.. anymore obvious answers I can provide you then?


HELLO!!! Read my post!
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:12am

meblonde01 wrote:
Jincks013 wrote:
Various God.. there is more then one ya know.. persoanlly I have two.. The Lady and The Lord. Any more questions ? *Hint - read it this time*

Hummm, Nope, absolutely no more question for you! HINT? Oh yeah I forgot your a wicca!! or something like that!! Rolling Eyes
How accepting and mature of you.
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:14am

Rodge wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
Jincks013 wrote:
Various God.. there is more then one ya know.. persoanlly I have two.. The Lady and The Lord. Any more questions ? *Hint - read it this time*

Hummm, Nope, absolutely no more question for you! HINT? Oh yeah I forgot your a wicca!! or something like that!! Rolling Eyes
How accepting and mature of you.


Speaking of accepting, Aren't you the one with a vendetta against "Healthy white babies"? Seems pretty immature to me, or maybe it is only jealously! Please advise! Razz
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:15am

Rodge wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
Jincks013 wrote:
Various God.. there is more then one ya know.. persoanlly I have two.. The Lady and The Lord. Any more questions ? *Hint - read it this time*

Hummm, Nope, absolutely no more question for you! HINT? Oh yeah I forgot your a wicca!! or something like that!! Rolling Eyes
How accepting and mature of you.


Thanks!! I notice some of you post where as equal in the mature area.. Laughing


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Posted: 10-14-07 10:16am

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Why do people have children?


Either because they were too dumb to use a condom, because they can't find anything better to do with their lives (you don't need to be smart to be a parent, sadly), or because they think their genes are somehow elite and feel they are obligated to create offspring.

But as far as the original topic, I never really became pro-choice or pro-life. I knew what abortion was and I was thrilled it was an option (me not wanting children since I was one myself, I felt relaxed knowing if I got pregnant I wouldn't need to kill the thing myself). I am a big believer in second (or third) chances, and abortion has the power to grant them to the woman.

What really shocked me was learning there was an actual debate over the issue and that there were people who exist who are actually dumb enough to not want the practice to exist. What shocked me even more is that most people who are out to obliterate this important women's right are also women. If the anti-choicers want to be barefoot and pregnant and serving as the maid/sex toy and just regress back about sixty years, then fine...but not all of us want to be submissive little slaves.
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:16am

embarrassed40 wrote:
Rodge wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
Jincks013 wrote:
Various God.. there is more then one ya know.. persoanlly I have two.. The Lady and The Lord. Any more questions ? *Hint - read it this time*

Hummm, Nope, absolutely no more question for you! HINT? Oh yeah I forgot your a wicca!! or something like that!! Rolling Eyes
How accepting and mature of you.


Speaking of accepting, Aren't you the one with a vendetta against "Healthy white babies"? Seems pretty immature to me, or maybe it is only jealously! Please advise! Razz


Healthy white babies kill 23 badgers a week.
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:17am

If you didn't want an answer then Blonde don't ask a question. I personally have no clue why you care what anyone swears by. First you want to control my body now you want to control what I write?
What exactly do you define freedom as? Because I think we are using two seperate definitions here.. I think you jumped at the first thing you thought was a way to get a dig in on me and pwn'd yourself because you failed to read and comprehend what was written.
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:18am

Rodge wrote:
embarrassed40 wrote:
Rodge wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
Jincks013 wrote:
Various God.. there is more then one ya know.. persoanlly I have two.. The Lady and The Lord. Any more questions ? *Hint - read it this time*

Hummm, Nope, absolutely no more question for you! HINT? Oh yeah I forgot your a wicca!! or something like that!! Rolling Eyes
How accepting and mature of you.


Speaking of accepting, Aren't you the one with a vendetta against "Healthy white babies"? Seems pretty immature to me, or maybe it is only jealously! Please advise! Razz


Healthy white babies kill 23 badgers a week.


Ga ga ga!
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:21am

Jincks013 wrote:
If you didn't want an answer then Blonde don't ask a question. I personally have no clue why you care what anyone swears by. First you want to control my body now you want to control what I write?
What exactly do you define freedom as? Because I think we are using two seperate definitions here.. I think you jumped at the first thing you thought was a way to get a dig in on me and pwn'd yourself because you failed to read and comprehend what was written.


Rolling Eyes I have no clue what the h you are even talking about.. so talk to the wall. You are making no sense!!!


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Posted: 10-14-07 10:23am

Cambion wrote:
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Why do people have children?


If the anti-choicers want to be barefoot and pregnant and serving as the maid/sex toy and just regress back about sixty years, then fine...but not all of us want to be submissive little slaves.


You equate being pregant to be being a submissive slave...What a strange world you come from.
I take it you are more the dominant type!? Razz
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:34am

meblonde01 wrote:
Jincks013 wrote:
If you didn't want an answer then Blonde don't ask a question. I personally have no clue why you care what anyone swears by. First you want to control my body now you want to control what I write?
What exactly do you define freedom as? Because I think we are using two seperate definitions here.. I think you jumped at the first thing you thought was a way to get a dig in on me and pwn'd yourself because you failed to read and comprehend what was written.


Rolling Eyes I have no clue what the h you are even talking about.. so talk to the wall. You are making no sense!!!


Reading comprehension. Its not a bad thing.
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Posted: 10-14-07 10:54am

Jincks013 wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
Jincks013 wrote:
If you didn't want an answer then Blonde don't ask a question. I personally have no clue why you care what anyone swears by. First you want to control my body now you want to control what I write?
What exactly do you define freedom as? Because I think we are using two seperate definitions here.. I think you jumped at the first thing you thought was a way to get a dig in on me and pwn'd yourself because you failed to read and comprehend what was written.


Rolling Eyes I have no clue what the h you are even talking about.. so talk to the wall. You are making no sense!!!


Reading comprehension. Its not a bad thing.


yes teacher, Rolling Eyes
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Posted: 10-14-07 11:02am

Jules wrote:
I first came face to face with abortion when I was 20 years old and living away from home at university. I had a friend who I later realised was using me (but that's another story). This friend had a fiance that she was cheating on with another man and she wasn't using protection. I warned her that she'd end up getting pregnant, she even had a scare at one point but she wouldn't listen. Inevitably she ended up with a positive test in her hand. She told me nonchalantly that she was going to get an abortion. I was angry at her. I felt that she had purposely created a life just to destroy it. She had no intention of having a baby and yet did nothing to prevent it. She asked me to accompany her to the hospital to have her medical abortion and I refused; I wanted no part in the event and told her that her 'other man' should be the one to take her. Thinking back with a more mature head, the girl obviously had some kind of emotional problems because she was constantly attention seeking. The abortion was just another way to be centre of attention.

My next brush with abortion was when my mother and I read my late grandmother's medical notes and discovered she had an abortion (via hysterectomy) at 18 weeks. That shocked me. My grandmother's mental health took a sharp decline after the abortion and she developed OCD to the level that she thought she was killing children just by being near them.

So, with those two events as my main experiences of abortion, I came to ehealth as a pro-lifer. I did not have (and still don't have) any religious beliefs but I just felt that abortion was wrong, cruel and damaging to both women and babies.

Now, after lurking and then actively participating in the debate here I have come to a different conclusion. I still don't 'like' abortion. It bothers me that a human life is destroyed but I can't say why because I also believe that there is nothing special about humans other than that we are highly evolved animals. Obviously, because of the nature of our social and familial relationships with each other, we place high value on born human life.

I would consider myself pro-choice now because I do not wish to control the choices of other women. I can empathise with women who have an abortion (even my university friend) although I don't always agree with the reasons. Abortion still makes me uncomfortable and I don't think I could ever have an elective abortion (as opposed to a medically necessary one) but then, I don't know the future. Circumstances change and we have to make our decisions based on our lives at that time.

Anyway, that was rather long so have a banana if you managed to get to the end of it! Mr.
Green


Next time you are shocked when you find out a family member aborted, remember that every other woman you ever come into contact with has aborted or will abort.

Also, I doubt your grandmother's OCD was caused by a hysterectomy/abortion.

Think of how many people would have OCD. Every time you think you hear a condition that was caused by abortion, look around. If half of all women or at least a good percentage don't have it, it's doubtful abortion caused it.
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