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Why Do All Debates Seem to Boil Down to God Vs No-god?
Posted: 10-15-07 23:24pm
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Well? What are your thoughts on this? And
no, "Because Guest is here" isn't a
legitimate answer; we were having this
issue long before Guest came along!
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Posted: 10-15-07 23:33pm
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its a topic that no one can really give a
yes or no answer to the existance of god.
and we have many debates about it because
of what the catholic church says, what
catholic schools teach, what scientology
religions have to say about the
topic..theres so many conflicts in the
discussion and most people hide the issue
because its such a powerful topic.
Questioning the existance of god, one
would think that no one ever would do such
a thing. Because god is supposed to be
such a powerful being that we've been
taught about.
I think that because its one of those
topics that are most common in debates, it
is pin-pointed because of how strongly
some peoples faiths are. They want to
preach their pwn beliefs towards others.
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Posted: 10-16-07 00:40am
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um.. possibly because its such a broad
topic that people use it as an excuse for
everything that they dont really
understand?
just a guess.
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Good Vs. Evil
Posted: 10-16-07 01:41am
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We all know that religion as politics are
always going to be touchy topics; so why
bother? I have a question I would like to
ask that warrants debate. One thing that
I do not and probably will never be able
to comprehend is why is child sexual abuse
kept "in the closet" so to speak? Why do
people just let it go to the wayside when
so many souls are being permanently
damaged?
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Posted: 10-16-07 01:55am
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thats a really good queation.
one possibly answer that i can think of,
is because its a situation about children,
and such a terrible thing for anychild to
go through, some parents have a hard time
hearing about it and would rather handle
the situation themselves, instead of make
it a public matter that their child has to
hear about over and over...
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Posted: 10-16-07 07:17am
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I think as long as someone is using their
god to justify a desire to control my body
it will always come down to this.
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Posted: 10-16-07 10:03am
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That's what I think too, Jinks. It's
because religion is used as a base for
morals and laws (for some people). These
days, there are actually people who are
NOT part of the mainstream religion, and
our numbers are rising. Because of this,
when deeply moral issues come up, one side
references science, fact, and logic as
their only base. The other side often has
god as the very core of their ideals.
People who are not of the main religion
don't want to be ruled by that god for
obvious reasons. They don't believe in it,
and there's no way to prove it exists, so
they shouldn't be forced to follow laws
based off of someone's beliefs.
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Posted: 10-16-07 15:37pm
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I think when people hold views that they
cannot explain logically, like being
against gay marriage, they revert to the
God excuse. There is no rational argument
for being against gay marriage. It cannot
possible effect anyone other than the two
people getting married, so people who hate
gay people must find an excuse. They
don't want to come right out and say "Gay
people make me sick. I hate them, and I
don't want them to defile the lovely
concept of marriage."
It's the same with abortion. Every
pro-lifer who thinks eggs and sperm are
nothing and once they join they are
everything, is using God as their excuse
for thinking that way. There is no
rational explanation for saying that egg
and sperm change so greatly the moment
they touch. The DNA they both carried is
exactly the same. The resulting
fertilized egg is simply the next step
after the formation of the sperm and egg
in human reproduction. People use God as
the excuse to put some deeper value/moral
worth on one part of human reproduction
(fertilized egg) over another (sperm and
egg).
What they really feel is that sex without
consequences is disgusting, and people
need to pay for having sex. It's either
that or for the really, really uneducated,
they actually believe a real baby is being
ripped limb from limb during an abortion,
instead of a barely visible embryo that is
a lot closer in kind to an egg and sperm
than it is to a fetus.
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Posted: 10-16-07 15:46pm
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Because people base their morals off of
their spiritual beliefs, for the most
part.
I mean, even I do, and I'm not
particularly religious.
But you're right, the problem is when
people use that justification to apply to
other people as well, and not just guide
their own beliefs.
Perhaps it's because christianity is the
only religion that seems to think it's the
only religion. (I hope that made sense)
Therefore, christians seem to think they
have a responsibility to witness the truth
to others.
I'm not trying to say that in a bad way, I
have experienced being a christian and
most of them are really just trying to do
what they think is right and best.
Christians witness (or should) because
they care about your soul. Probably more
than you all do!! Lol.... (myself
included)
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Posted: 10-16-07 21:45pm
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Because people cannot think on their own
and must rely on religious teachings to do
it for them. If they opened their eyes
and saw the world without the protective
glasses of "God" they would be horrified.
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Posted: 10-17-07 14:14pm
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I think it proves Gods existence.
Because for someone who doesnt exist, he
sure does get talked about alot.
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Posted: 10-17-07 14:17pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | Because people cannot think
on their own and must rely on religious
teachings to do it for them. If they
opened their eyes and saw the world
without the protective glasses of "God"
they would be
horrified. |
What a confused person you are.
When I came to christ and accepted him, my
eyes were finally opened!!!
You can come outta the fog as well by
accepting him.
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Posted: 10-17-07 15:30pm
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Anytime you have a religious person in a
debate it will come up because they
believe in him and his word, then the
debates start over God instead of the
original debate.
For a Christian it is hard to separate
things from God.
And that makes us seem judgmental and that
is not what we are trying to do. I guess
it just comes down to your way of life and
beliefs.
I was told a long time ago there are three
things people talk about the most.
Religion
Politics
And sex.
People always argue about the first two.
So what do you want to talk about..
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Posted: 10-17-07 17:53pm
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I just don't want laws which can ruin my
or my daughter's life to be passed based
on things I don't believe in.
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Posted: 10-17-07 20:03pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | I was told a long time ago
there are three things people talk about
the most.
Religion
Politics
And sex.
People always argue about the first two.
So what do you want to talk about.. |
Sexy religious politics? But then we're
back to the gay thing...
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Posted: 10-17-07 21:26pm
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| milletics
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | Because people cannot think
on their own and must rely on religious
teachings to do it for them. If they
opened their eyes and saw the world
without the protective glasses of "God"
they would be
horrified. |
What a confused person you are.
When I came to christ and accepted him, my
eyes were finally opened!!!
You can come outta the fog as well by
accepting him. |
how can u accept something u have no proof
exists?
How can you worship something u cannot
speak to? OR ask questions of?
I Dont want to hear the *because i have
faith!! AMEN!!* bit.
give me real proof.
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Posted: 10-17-07 22:11pm
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| milletics
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | Because people cannot think
on their own and must rely on religious
teachings to do it for them. If they
opened their eyes and saw the world
without the protective glasses of "God"
they would be
horrified. |
What a confused person you are.
When I came to christ and accepted him, my
eyes were finally opened!!!
You can come outta the fog as well by
accepting him. |
Imagine for a second that there is no
Christian religion; it's a false idol,
it's not true, there is no divinity to
Jesus, the Bible is a book, nothing more.
Just go with it for a second. 
What would you do to comfort yourself, to
reassure yourself that life has meaning?
You would have to look inward.
That is what you cannot do now, because
you have a protective comforter of
Christianity wrapped around you.
You would be unable to face the world on
your own. So desperate to believe there
is more to live than the beauty of a
flower, of a sunset, of love, you would
fail to understand that that is all you
need.
We are all unique gods, with so much
potential to love, change, and understand
the world around us.
I need no Christian god to believe in,
because I believe in myself.
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Posted: 10-17-07 22:26pm
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| rainfire1424
wrote: | | milletics
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | Because people cannot think
on their own and must rely on religious
teachings to do it for them. If they
opened their eyes and saw the world
without the protective glasses of "God"
they would be
horrified. |
What a confused person you are.
When I came to christ and accepted him, my
eyes were finally opened!!!
You can come outta the fog as well by
accepting him. |
how can u accept something u have no proof
exists?
How can you worship something u cannot
speak to? OR ask questions of?
I Dont want to hear the *because i have
faith!! AMEN!!* bit.
give me real proof. |
rainfire I will tell you how it is as I
have posted before..
if you have a little fish and your raise
the fish in a fish tank and then you tell
the fish look you know there is a thing
called ocean and inmensly big and has all
this enormous animals in there.. would the
fish believe you? He only has been in the
fish tank and that is all he knows and
what he can prove, but he has not proof of
the ocean, he can only believe it exists
if the fish trust your word on it. So that
is how we believe. We are the fish and the
fish tank is this world. We can see and
proof what is here but we don't know what
could be out there so we believe God for
what He says it out there. And we rather
believe it to find out it's not true than
not believing to find out it was true.
In my personnal experience for what I have
seeing..I really have no doubts..one time
i saw this old nun praying silently like
if it were nobody around her.. and I was
watching her. Suddenly I saw like if
somebody stepped on her, the way she
falled backwards in the floor, real hard
but the old lady didn't complained a
sinch, she remained flat in the floor
smiling like if she was hugging someone.
I never seeing anything like it..There is
many documented miracles if you want to
research which shows proof of his
existence rainfire..but then if you don't
want to believe that not even those
happened well if you have no faith then
you have no faith..
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Posted: 10-17-07 22:31pm
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God seems more like the unknown ocean in
that fish tank analogy.
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Posted: 10-17-07 23:59pm
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that analogy still doesnt provide any
proof.
like i said.. i dont want to hear about
that faith crap.
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