Doctor Dobson Interview With a Woman Who Survived Abortion

Welcome to the forum. That's all I have to say.

Yes. I am. But I'm not going to say anything. I will PM you in a second.

A 7 month old fetus is indeed what I would consider a viable baby; but obviously the woman's mother was attempting to prevent a life of pain. Cerebral Palsy is often NOT a fun condition to have. It is debilitating over time in most patients. I can completely sympathise with the woman who tried to abort.

Thankfully these days abortions are far less likely to fail. I believe in fact that saline abortions are illegal these days. Most late-term abortions are done via vagina delivery. These abortions are usually very tragic because the fetus quite often is being aborted due to a severe, lethal defect of some kind. This was a wanted child; but out of love, the parents know its life would be full of pain and strife, so they did the merciful thing and aborted.

Moving on... abortions at 7 months along are so extremely rare that they are illegal in most cases unless for fetal abnormality... like cerebral palsy. I want you to be relieved that there are NOT millions of women running around aborting 7 month old fetuses. It just doesn't happen that often.

What does get aborted often times? An embryo often gets aborted. The woman is only 12 weeks along at the maximum in most cases. That's only 3 months; she isn't even 'showing" yet. No one knows she is pregnant except her. The embryo is about the size of a lima bean, perhaps a little larger but not normally. It also is very unlike a baby at this stage physically, developmentally, etc.

So no, *whew!*, real life babies are not being aborted! Tiny embryos are most often.

1. Often in cases of maternal danger, she can't wait 3 months. She is going to die soon (days) without an abortion.

2. I just simply don't agree. I believe in the humane treatment of all humans, even unborn ones. If that means ending their life before they feel incredible pain then so be it. I also believe in euthanasia for the old/terminally ill. My great grandmother on my father's side starved herself to death because there was no other way for her life to end. She was done, she didn't want to be here anymore. She couldn't move well and instead of being able to end in dignity, she had to starve herself to death.

3. Who can say what that woman feels? I don't think it matters.

1) There is still very very slight chance for a fetus to live at 7 months, so a premature delivery should be done instead of an abortion.

2) I think if a person can't say for themselves, the route that increase chance of survival should be taken. A person in a coma or vegetative state has been shown to have dreams during REM, suffer headaches, react to their environment in the form of changing brain activity. How do you know that living in a vegetative state is as bad is it seems? If you do wake up from it, you may not remember it, the same as sleeping, but you may be in an accident, know you are in a vegetative state, and want to continue living. No one can say, just as no one can say what happens after death. Euthanization of people who can consent is more reasonable. If a person knows it should be the end for them, they should be able to consent to it.

3) No one can, thats why you shouldn't abort based on conditions such as that.

1) They do that. Googling 'induction at seven months pregnant' turns up stuff about cows, a Muslim woman who had septuplets, and this: http://ourhomeschool2.wordpress.com /2005/09/25/seven-months-in-heaven/ I think it's quite sad.

Most abortions are performed before the three month mark. Late-term abortion is done when it's pretty much a certainty that the baby will die, and if it is not removed then it will kill the mother too. They don't do it for the sake of it. They do it so the mother can live and have more babies.

Also, you're talking about something that was done in the 1970s. Medicine has moved on. They don't do it like that anymore.

Kirving.. first .. get your facts strait.. Saline abortions are not done anymore at least in the u.s.
Second. that is one.. just one case. I will not yeild my right to bodily integrity based on one case. I'll find the link in here but the vast majority of post 5 month abortions are done in the case of severe and lethal fetal abnormality: here are a couple:

Anencephaly: There is absence of the fetal cranial vault, so no cerebral hemispheres develop. Anencephaly is the most common congenital malformation--about 0.5 to 2/1000 live births. Other neural tube defects are as frequent, but the incidence varies with geography

Iniencephaly: Imperfect formation of the base of the skull, with rachischisis and exaggerated lordosis of the spine.

Exencephaly: Incomplete cranial vault, but the brain is present.

Here is the real deal just go to the bottom of the page and click the links under "Reasons for Late Term Abortions" then click the links to the pictures; take a good long look at those precious babies you are talking about; keep in mind that they will not live outside the uterus.

Third.. Abortion was made legal to save the lives of women ! it was not about 'saving' or 'killing' babies. It was about saving the lives of women. Are you one of those "pro life" people that thinks its ok to kill the woman just as long as you force her to gestate? That isn't pro life, that is misogyny.
Do some research and get familiar with abortion history first. Then come play in my sandbox.

It is aweful that in some very rare cases this happens but at the end of the day you have to accept that some people don't wish to carry on with a pregnancy and will have an abortion whether you like it or not. I don't particularly like the thought of an abortion but you do have to remember that the majority of times an abortion is performed the baby is about the size of a pea and couldn't survive without the mother

I know that it doesn't happen often, less then 2% of abortions are past the 20 week mark, but they still happen. It should be illegal to do it unless medically accepted that the mother has a high chance of dieing. Even then, when it's 7 or 8 months, they should c-section the baby or premature birth it to give it a chance of living.

at 7 months gestation, why cant the baby be removed via c-section and put on life support until viable enough to survive on its own, as they do with premature births?