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More Anti Time Strategies And Outlooks Posted: 10-27-07 18:06pm
Dispatches from the war on time,
from the Provision Fragrance Monestary
at the center of the antitime portal:
Time and consciousness are closely
related. Is consciousness the enemy?
Some people have excess mental energy and
like to go spelunking through dark
conceptual chasms. Others have other
things to do with a supposedly finite
level of mental energy. For the latter,
many ideas are dangerous, and the people
learn accordingly to follow the straight
and narrow, not venturing too far outside
consensual reality. For the former group,
the adventurous spelunkers, hardy minds
that figure that they can handle a few
"hits" from unreality, however, there can
also be dangers. I suppose there are
different level of danger, and I am
considering myself one of the hardy souls,
but across the decades I ran into a few
things that were like riding a wild bull.
I guess I know when to fall off, and how
to eventually tame some of the wildest
bulls. Maybe I let a couple of bulls roam
free, untamed. Sometimes I even help along
in the birthing of a real wild one. I
think this is one of the wilder, more
dangerous bulls:
I continue to have the intuition that time
is out to get me. Maybe I'm using the
common psychological feature of paranoia
against something I conceptually think
deserves it. You know how the CIA gets the
accusation all the time, the aliens get
the same accusations, I figured lets vent
the entire psychotic force at time.
Einstein said it is appropriate to think
of time as a separate entity, apart from
matter and energy. I see myself as one
with all of matter and energy, and with
all this energy I thought I ought to take
on our formidable enemy, time.
And fighting against an enemy like time
can sometimes seem like beating your head
against a wall. Many sages and shamans
have advocated appeasement, rather than
conquering.
But at the Provision Fragrance Monastery,
a comfortable retreat outside of time I
use for planning the war against time, I
decided to try to look at time from other
perspectives, in order to better envelop
the enemy. And one way to get novel
perspectives on something as abstract as
"time" is to use analogies.
So I thought of the analogy of a quasar
jet, and the radio lobe, in astrophysics.
The Aztec religion idealized a similar
vision, the "cloud serpent", which was
their personification of the smooth flow
of the clouds. Inspired by the
cloud-serpent, they went to war. As a
modern-day Aztec Indian, I am treated to
much more powerful "cloud serpents", far
past the white clouds in the blue sky
above me; these cloud serpents are the
quasar jets in red-shift space, their
origin is some of the brightest compact
objects in the universe, and they
ultimately "crash" and form "radio lobes",
the turbulent endpoints of the jets, as
they push forward on the "working
surface", whatever it just crashed into.
So I thought about the quasar jet, of the
cloud serpent moving slowly, carefully,
gracefully, and also of the "disappearing
mist of personality and action", as the
"disappearing" jet nozzle of the present.
Modulating the flow from the jet at the
point of the nozzle, where the flow first
hits the "ambient medium", is our action
in "time". But we only really keep staring
at that one point, where the flow comes
out of the nozzle, and modulate that, as
the rhythm and dance of the "present".
But, drifting before it dissipates, (for 8
generations), the mist is affected more
and more heavily by the darkness that the
jet of life beams against.
Time, then, is at first this "present", or
measuring the flow near the nozzle, and it
makes sense that this was the first
consciousness that would evolve, but a
logical progression of excess mindfulness
is a movement into the PAST, or a widening
of the field outside the nozzle called
"time".
As a shaman I decided to expand the
consciousness a bit, upward into the PAST,
to see how this expansion might benefit
the object before traditional
consciousness, consciousness of the
present. As an Aztec shaman, the directive
is to stand with a "wise face and a firm
heart" for the short time we spend in the
material world. The directive is a hint
that this "firmness" of heart does not
come naturally. The quasar jet of heart
wavers in the oncoming dark turbulence,
dampened by the shamanic directive, but
always battling the oncoming pressure.
Outside the layer of "present", the layer
just outside the nozzle of the jet, which
is better protected in consciousness, lie
in wait the hungry consumers of the jet's
numinosity, like a bunch of rhinos feeding
at a trough!
How to protect the mist as it drifts
upward, into the 'PAST'? Mediating, master
of law, red robed emissary with sword in
hand, consciousness of the RISING mist in
between the moments, DON'T LET MOVEMENT OR
THOUGHT OCCUR, or the dark above will
destroy the flow, and the disturbance will
proceed UPSTREAM.
Like the universe moving forward in time,
our lives are affected by the darkness
acting upon our ancestors. And so their
problems are our problems - we must feed
them, help them be still! As the "dark
energy" grows directly along with the size
of the PAST, and also the Periodic Table
of elements grows in league with the PAST
- more and more complex elements arising
as now three generations of stars have
taken in the previous generation's output
and produced even more massive elements -
the strong and central heart must begin to
step forward and control it's own destiny.
The harmonizing of the elements. The
slowing down and stopping of the spinning
circus. Stars are born, new elements form
in denser crashes, new demons form in
denser arrangements, therefore: dissipate
crashes, mindfulness radiating outward
into the PAST. The problem is the
turbulent DARK, the answer is RADIATE, and
nothing radiates like QUIET MYSTERY.
Buoyed by this ability to reach into my
own past and control myself - more
completely - from that perspective, I
developed another analogy - this one of a
lake. I didn't make this one up;
apparently all the way back in the time of
Plato, mankind was so ill-equipped to deal
with the abstract concept of "time”,
that Plato could get away with the analogy
that rime was a river, moving forward, and
we go along with it.
These days I have seen several different
posts on the internet, where intuitively,
people can’t see it as a river, because
we can tell that the stuff along the bank
isn’t really “going by” the way it
does on a steamboat cruise down the
Mississippi, it’s more like a lake of
water, rising up along the banks. As the
rain of time comes down, the lake
continues to rise, progressively burying
the lakeshore we know as “being”, or
matter and energy.
And so I was using the analogy of time as
a lake, and again trying to approach it as
my enemy. I thought of Crater Lake in
Oregon, the lake grows, but at the center
of that volcanic ditch, so does a small
island. Kind of like Hawaii in the middle
of the Pacific Ocean, which is also
volcanically rising out of the center of
the “ring of fire”.
That central rise, which becomes a
beautiful pristine island at the center of
the lake, would represent the very
beginning of what “time” began to
cover, and so it would ordinarily be the
deepest point. But the beauty is in the
volcanic nature, which is like a quasar
jet from the compact source object at the
center of the earth, or the jet of
numinous life into the field that is prey
for the raging rhinos of “time”. The
very center is the part to rise up, to
overcome the initial flooding of the
lake.
Returning this analogy to “time”, I
figure if I learn to control my past, all
8 generations, and hold them still, as the
lakeshore would control more and more of
the submerged lakebed, I can use energy as
will to force the center of the submerged
lake to rise again, to become the island
in Crater Lake, to raise up my own PAST
out of the flooding lake of TIME, and
communicate with earlier self from across
the surface of the water!
Having taken this thought experiment this
far, I began to control the rest of the
lake, and once I could fight time from two
fronts – the lake shore as well as the
center – I proceeded to evaporate the
lake, become “one” with myself again,
and just proceed to calmly dry and crack
as a single giant desert, immune to the
rain of time.
Finally having vanquished my foe, at least
within the gedanken/thought experiment, I
felt free to contemplate what use going
through “timeliness” might have for
me, as all matter and energy. If I could
come up with a good enough excuse for
going through time, then I might be able
to let it happen, without being so
outraged by it.
I realized that time is a very effective
encryption scheme. Encryption is the
procedure where we take a piece of
information, scramble it in some
systematic way so no one along the transit
route can read it, and then unencrypt it
on the other end, at the target.
The desert of matter/energy, unmolested by
an external “time”, is a simple
entity, it is what it is, it is obviously
just there. Maybe it is at risk of
detection by intruders. If so, progressing
through “time”, by letting the rain
fill up the crater in the desert, and
hiding under there, is a great encryption
scheme. Everything seems like a separate
piece, it seems like there are many
different entities, rather than one big
“ONE”. Anyone looking for the
“ONE” at the surface won’t be able
to see it.
Therefore, within time, the only way to
see the “ONE”, the source, the
matter/energy, is too look at EVERYTHING
at once, an attitude the ancient Taoists
called “utmost pervasion” – see
everything, hear everything, know
everything, the knowable and the
unknowable, the seen and the unseen.
So I can’t afford to be superficial,
because time has been encrypting my truth.
I have to look beneath the surface, to
make it all make sense.
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Found This In a Book By Bruno Schulz Posted: 10-27-07 18:20pm
Just want to add, I recently found this
(and several similar) excerpt from Bruno
Schulz, The Street of Crocoldiles:
"Everyone kows that in a run of normal
uneventful years that great eccentric,
Time, begets sometimes other years,
different, prodigal years which - like a
sixth, smallest toe - grow a thirteenth
freak month.
We use the word freak deliberately,
because the thirteenth month only rarely
reaches maturity, and like a child
conceived late in its mother's life, it
lags behind in growth; it is a hunchback
month, a half-wilted shoot, more tentative
than real.
What is at fault is the senile
intemperance of the summer, its lustful
and belated spurt of vitality. It
sometimes happens that August has passed,
and yet the old thick trunk of summer
continues by force of habit to produce and
from its moldered wood grows those
crab-days, weed-days, sterile and stupid,
added as an afterthought; stunted, empty,
useless days - white days, permanently
astonished and quite unneccessary. They
sprout, irregular and uneven, formless and
joined like the fingers of a monster's
hand, stumps folded into a fist.
There are people who liken these days to
an apocrypha, put secretly between the
chapters of the great book of the year; to
palimpsests, covertly included between its
pages; to those white, unprinted sheets on
which eyes, replete with reading and the
remembered shapes of words, can imagine
colors and pictures, which gradually
become paler and paler from the blankness
of the pages, or can rest on their
neutrality before continuing the quest for
new adventures in new chapters.
Ah, that old, yellowed romance of the
year, that large, crumbling book of a
calendar! It lies forgotten somewhere in
the archives of Time, and its content
continues to increase between the boards,
swelling incessantly from the garrulity of
months, from the quick self-perpetuation
of lies, drivel, and of dreams which
multiply in it. Ah, wehn writing down
these tales, revising stories about my
father on the used margins of the text,
don't I , too, surrender to the secret
hope that they will merge imperceptible
with the yellowing pages of that most
splendid, moldering book, that they will
sink into the gentle rustle of its pages
and become absorbed there?"
-Bruno Schulz, The Street of Crocodiles
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Zen Posted: 10-28-07 11:43am
I agree that time is the enemy. For now
I'm trying to conquer it by enlightenment.
My body will die but my mind will be
alive. For the time being, I am the
walking dead. The Western mindset is not
helping me. Time is a one-way street in
Western society. Then you die and go to
heaven or hell. Although I don't believe
in reincarnation, I'd rather come back and
continue the work. Or end up somewhere in
the middle between heaven and hell. If you
go too high you will fall like Icarus.
Better learn to be grounded. The trick is
to spread the present moment and envelop
yourself in it. Also, let time "neither
come nor go".
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Time Is a Friend Posted: 11-03-07 12:33pm
You definitely have an enemy but you don't
seem to know who he is. You say you hate
time but what would you think if you were
out of it? For example, would it be good
to have 3 minutes left to exist? I think
what you really hate is death -- now
that's normal. As for me, I want as much
time as I can have.
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Re: Time Is a Friend Posted: 11-04-07 09:44am
How can time be a friend if you're
constantly running out of it?
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Posted: 11-05-07 02:36am
Okay, time may not be a friend, but people
always want more of it anyway.
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Posted: 11-05-07 12:52pm
want more of it? only for as long as you
think you are located inside your body.
typical outlook early in life, but there
are books in every bookstore in america
willing to educate you out of thinking
that. once you are everywhere, across all
space, you come face to face with one
thing: time. eliminating time would
eliminate life, but if you are centered
beyond life, beyond time, then eliminating
the shell of confusion can seem like a
good idea. time and space a shell, growing
the spirit, but as the birds say, es
cape-driven cracks complete the egg
-onderdonk
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Posted: 11-05-07 21:22pm
Wanting more time is like wanting more
poison... You're just feeding the machine,
and you will dissipate in that same
machine.
Religion is a way to 1. extend time: the
christian couched in unilateral teleology
hopes to live in heaven for ever; 2.
annihilate time: the zen buddhist strives
to step out of time and into nirvana. The
problem with Christianity is that you're
riding on your good deeds, and you're
riding very high, up in heaven. What if
something happens? You might fall. And
you're up very high. And hell always
exists for you, no matter how high up away
from it you are. If you practice
meditation and unity (no duality of heaven
and hell) you can be safe. You don't need
to get away, far up high, but you stay
with your breath, right here.
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Posted: 11-05-07 22:33pm
Philo
wrote:
Wanting more time is like
wanting more poison... You're just feeding
the machine, and you will dissipate in
that same machine.
Religion is a way to 1. extend time: the
christian couched in unilateral teleology
hopes to live in heaven for ever; 2.
annihilate time: the zen buddhist strives
to step out of time and into nirvana. The
problem with Christianity is that you're
riding on your good deeds, and you're
riding very high, up in heaven. What if
something happens? You might fall. And
you're up very high. And hell always
exists for you, no matter how high up away
from it you are. If you practice
meditation and unity (no duality of heaven
and hell) you can be safe. You don't need
to get away, far up high, but you stay
with your breath, right
here.
so,your saying heaven and hell are
bipolar?
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Posted: 11-05-07 23:51pm
jungjedi
wrote:
so,your saying heaven and
hell are
bipolar?
Well put. It's definitely unhealthy.
There's something psychologically
deterministic about duality. It seems to
be a common human characteristic, but it
can be unlearned. As you know, small
children do not differentiate between
object and subject.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:16pm
i just think that i have gotten alot out
of my journeys to the lower world, and to
the upper world, that there are beings
there that communicate there in ways they
just don't do around here. so for me,
heaven and hell are useful places to go.
thing is, if i didn't have the grounding
at the center, deeper than time can go,
then i wouldn't feel free to go so far up
and so far down; i only feel free to be so
crazy 'cause i know how to get back, with
a bunji cord that goes right to the
center.
-onderdonk
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Three Or Four At the Table, May Have Esteemed That Which I H Posted: 11-06-07 16:36pm
Three or four at the table, may have
esteemed that which I have said, not for a
paradox. but for an adox, or flat
absurdity. Several seem to have little
patience with the medical ignorance and
shallow paradox-mongering that has greeted
my glorification of the role of pre
institutionalized psychotics in modern
urban life.
A paradox is a proposition really or
apparently contradictory to a commonly
received idea. It is, as its name
indicates, a conceit contrary to opinion,
but not contrary to reason. A position
contrary to reason is a paralogism. The
moderators here speak often of paradoxes
with such scorn or detestation, that a
simple reader would take a paradox either
for felony or some other heinous crime,
whereas perhaps a judicious reader knows
that a paradox is an opinion not yet
generally received.
I try to prove us this wonderful, strange
paradox, this opinion inopinable, and I am
called a paradox-monger, loving to hold
strange, yea dangerous opinions.
A distinguished lover of liberty of
another time said, with apparent paradox,
that the quantity of liberty in any
country is exactly equal to the quantity
of restraint. There's the apparent paradox
of the pur-blind, or those who can
scarcely see a small object at arm's
length, yet discovering those that are
very remote. Modern pop-music is edgy,
keyed up, there is an air of crisis and
paradox; but my posts are treated as the
most gross and massy paradox that ever did
violence to reason and religion.
Perhaps the only immortal paradoxes are
the divine paradoxes called Beatitudes,
for each generation sees their truth, but
as no one ever acts upon them, their
paradox comes with perpetual freshness to
every age.
The water-mole, or paradox, also abounds
in all the rivers and ponds.
Let no man then condemn this Paradox
opinion, though paradox it may seem, and
out of the road of common belief.
-King Onderdonk
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Posted: 11-06-07 18:57pm
i too have felt that i could slip the
bounds between heven and hell between
trickery and devinity.ayuaska has helped
me loose these bounds.to make the endless
permutations between borders.and maybe
luck will turn in my favor.good fortune
towards my blind aimless wonderings.to
slip the veil between this world and the
many worlds that bound our ambitions
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Posted: 11-06-07 20:06pm
You're right when you say "slip the veil
between this world and the many worlds
that bound our ambitions", for we get what
we predestine ourselves to get, we become
our ambitions. I fear to think what strict
materialists achieve in the other world.
Do they go to garbage like their objects?
What is ayuaska? As long as you're true in
your search, luck WILL turn in your
favour.
Paradoxes abound in Zen Buddhism. I feel
my existence is a paradox, and I have to
live up to it. I am far away from living
up to my paradox. I am scholarly,
time-bound, and way too excited by myself.
But I see my paradox from far away. Zen
Buddhists use boredom to slip into
enlightenment. I ride on excitement and
exacerbation.
As to the official opinion (moderators,
etc.), it is the official opinion. I know
that I'm sick for a reason deeper than you
can imagine.
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Posted: 11-09-07 20:20pm
I'm sitting at home and not doing much,
mostly wandering what to do with myself
and not coming up with anything. Bought a
bottle of wine but I don't even want to
drink it. Getting depressed about not
finding any meaning in things, in my life
or in my place in the world. I'm
forgetting about the beauty of the paradox
of existence. I guess we are conditioned
to attend to shallower things in life in
the first place, and only then to higher
things.
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Posted: 11-11-07 14:14pm
i to am bored and tempted to retreat into
some delusional world
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Re: Time Is a Friend Posted: 12-09-07 00:40am
Philo
wrote:
How can time be a friend if
you're constantly running out of
it?
Is everything an enemy then? If time is
an enemy because it eventually dissapears,
isn't everything an enemy?
Don't think of Time running out, think of
it as you using time to your advantage.
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Re: Time Is a Friend Posted: 12-09-07 14:11pm
Duzz
wrote:
Don't think of Time running
out, think of it as you using time to your
advantage.
That's like shooting yourself in the eye
to "see" how a gun works.
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Posted: 12-10-07 14:23pm
Philo
wrote:
As to the official opinion (moderators,
etc.), it is the official opinion. I know
that I'm sick for a reason deeper than you
can imagine.
Oh philo, I'm hurt!!
J/K.
I have no doubt that there might exist a
cause for your illness other than the
scientifically proven ones.
However- If science has been proven to
help, why not turn to it also? Why would
we have been given the gift of science and
technology and medicine if we weren't
meant to use them to help us function in
life?
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Posted: 12-10-07 18:35pm
Georgia59
wrote:
Philo
wrote:
As to the official opinion (moderators,
etc.), it is the official opinion. I know
that I'm sick for a reason deeper than you
can imagine.
Oh philo, I'm hurt!!
J/K.
I have no doubt that there might exist a
cause for your illness other than the
scientifically proven ones.
However- If science has been proven to
help, why not turn to it also? Why would
we have been given the gift of science and
technology and medicine if we weren't
meant to use them to help us function in
life?
OK, I didn't really mean you, Georgia59,
but SOME moderators. Those who try to
exterminate some personal
expressions/explanations. This also
applies to some (or most) doctors. They
don't believe evidence when it contradicts
their paradigms.