Georgia59
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Is Having Children a Right?
Posted: 10-30-07 16:40pm
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Does everyone have the equal right to have
children? If a couple can't have children,
do they have the right to have services
like IVF or fertility treatments available
to them so they can have children? What
about couples who can't afford it?
Just a random thought stemming from the
last IVF post I made...
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Posted: 10-30-07 18:27pm
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You can only believe so if you are going
to pay for poor people to have IVF if they
want it. Are you going to do that, Beck?
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Posted: 10-30-07 22:15pm
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People have a right to do what they want
with their own money, and if they can
afford such priviledges, then I guess it's
their right to do so.
How's that?
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Posted: 10-30-07 22:17pm
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haveing children is a CHOICE
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Becky
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Posted: 10-31-07 03:59am
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| futureshock
wrote: | | You can only believe so if
you are going to pay for poor people to
have IVF if they want it. Are you going
to do that,
Beck? |
Well here in the UK 'poor' people are
entitled to one free IVF treatment. The
waiting list is long and you have to have
no other kids but it's still available.
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Posted: 10-31-07 06:25am
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Thanks for the explanation, Beck. That
makes your first assertion absolutely
plausible. 
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Posted: 10-31-07 10:20am
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I don't know. On the one hand, I feel it
is a choice not a right, because there are
people I feel shouldn't have children. On
the other hand, I wouldn't want someone
telling me I was unfit to have children of
my own.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-31-07 17:56pm
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Yeah, I really meant what Future was
getting at. If it is a right, does that
mean you are entitled to have children
even if you don't have the money? (Through
government assistance or something)
and what about the fact that rich people
will be able to have children and possibly
poor people won't? Doesn't that worry
anyone?
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Posted: 10-31-07 19:24pm
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| beckster
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: | | You can only believe so if
you are going to pay for poor people to
have IVF if they want it. Are you going
to do that,
Beck? |
Well here in the UK 'poor' people are
entitled to one free IVF treatment. The
waiting list is long and you have to have
no other kids but it's still
available. |
I'm moving!
I completely agree with being able to have
fertility treatments done in order to
conceive. Just as I believe in being able
to adopt. (Neither is free) If you have
the money for treatment, and that is what
you chose to spend it on, what is the
problem?
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-31-07 22:00pm
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I don't think there's a problem to have
ivf or adoption if you have the money for
it, my concern is that it's so expensive
and (often) not covered by insurance, so
only the well-off people can afford it. If
having children was really a right,
everyone should be able to have it
regardless of ability to pay.
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Posted: 11-01-07 07:45am
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Ok, I see what you're saying, I'm sorry I
misuderstood the original question.
Honestly, I don't feel that having
children is a right. I think being a
parent is a previlege.
Even those who go through IVF and similar
proceedures are not gauranteed a child. It
only give them an opportunity to become
pregnant.
I don't, however, feel that I can give an
unbiased opinion on this subject. I will
be going to a fertility doctor in
December. While the price tag is quite
high. (It will be around $700 for the
appt. that doesn't include any medications
or for anything to actually be 'fixed') I
would wonder if having a child would be a
good option in my life right now if I
wasn't able to afford ttc.
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Posted: 11-01-07 09:42am
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Everyone should wonder whether or not to
have a child if they cannot afford it.
Having a child under those circumstances
is selfish and unintelligent.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 11-01-07 13:22pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | | Everyone should wonder
whether or not to have a child if they
cannot afford it. Having a child under
those circumstances is selfish and
unintelligent. |
I think the cost of IVF is a lot higher
than just normal child raising costs (at
least all at once) and insurance doesn't
always cover it.
Meaning, I think some people are able
(financially) to have children, but not to
bear the cost of IVF. I'm really thinking
about middle class mostly.
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Posted: 11-01-07 17:00pm
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I think people who cannot afford children,
are mentally unstable, or who know nothing
about child care should not be allowed to
have children (I wish people who want to
have kids would be required to take
extensive parenting classes and must pass
in order to obtain a parenting license). I
also think IVF should be illegal because
it's selfish and disgusting, and anyone
retarded enough to spend upwards of $10K
on a procedure with a 20 percent success
rate shouldn't be allowed to be in charge
of another life that requires more care
than a house plant.
Also, if you are physically incapable of
having kids the natural way, I think you
should take it as a sign from nature that
you were not meant to have children and
you should accept that. When you play with
nature with IVF, you will suffer the
consequences, such as having preemies,
frankenlitters, or
defected/malformed/retarded children. But
most people who seek IVF are too dumb to
see that and then they whine for donations
when Junior is born with a plethora of
problems and they can't afford the needed
surgeries because they sold their house to
afford the IVF and are living in a slum.
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Posted: 11-01-07 21:40pm
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"Frankenlitters"...oh my goodness, that
post was hysterical.
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Posted: 11-01-07 21:48pm
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Did that actually ever happen to anyone
you know?
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Posted: 11-02-07 08:21am
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They actually do very extensive testing to
determine if you are qualified for IVF.
And the success rate is based directly on
the clinic in which you are having the
procedure performed.
When does "playing with nature" begin?
Hormone treatment? Surgery? Ovulation
induction? All of these things can be
quite expensive.
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:50pm
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Ah, Cambion. Edgy as ever, I see.
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Posted: 11-02-07 20:16pm
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Well on the "playing with nature" note,
can't you argue that organ donation is
playing with nature? Should someone who
needs a heart transplant just "take the
hint" and give up? What about
chemotherapy? Radiation treatments? Why
are infertile couples labled as the dumb
ones? Has anyone compared the costs of IVF
vs. an organ transplant? And why is it any
of your business if someone wants to
conceive a child this way? Is it any more
your business than a woman who decided to
abort?
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