This is not a discussion of how humans
could set OFF these nuclear weapons. It is
a discussion of what would happen to the
weapons if humans suddenly disappeared. Or
at least I thought it was.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 01-27-08 11:32am
You are correct, Eiri.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-27-08 11:45am
The thing is, aside from the uranium, all
of the materials in an "atom bomb" are
completely inert until stimulated by a
spark, which causes the heat and inward
pressure with fuses the uranium atoms. So
I suppose ... no, even a lightning strike
wouldn't work because at that point the
shell and casing would have to be
compromised and the delicate inward
explosion wouldn't work right.
I'm not saying it's completely, absolutely
impossible for one to explode by itself.
Quantium physics laughs at the word
impossible. However, it's so very unlikely
that it's not an issue to worry about
right
now and probably not one to worry
about for the next few thousand years.
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Birch
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Posted: 01-27-08 12:18pm
Eiri
wrote:
Might help if we kill the deer, too. And
parasitic animals & plants. And how
about mosquitos? Even animals hate them.
Extinction isn't the answer. Do you
realise how many invasive species we are
currently controlling? Do you realise that
we're the only natural predators for deer
in most of northern America? A huge
population growth followed my millions if
not billions of deaths from starved
animals... Oh sure, it's "natural" only
because humans aren't involved.
We are natural. It is natural for us to
build. To expand. Do we need to learn how
to better treat the planet we are on? Of
course. Just as bacteria and viruses have
evolved over billions of years to co-exist
with us, to grow in our intestines and
help us digest, as an integral part of the
vaginal ecosystem, and everywhere on and
inside of our bodies... We are Earth to
these bacteria.
Now, there are bacteria that cause havok
and eventually kill their host. Well
that's no good, because now they've killed
their planet. So they evolved to be less
deadly, step by step. Humans need to do
the same.
An overpopulation of deer is due to the
human species extermination by expansion
and bad planning of the predators of that
species. Bad example.
The large city I live in is dealing with
this right now. I have had deer run in
front of my car in the city. They are
currently attempting to thin the
population by allowing hunting en masse.
It's a big hullaboo.
MMAFighter
wrote:
Well, actually life might
get better for nature since the resource
drain caused by humans is
lifted
I quite agree. Homo sapien is a plague.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-27-08 13:37pm
Except that it's not a bad example. Oh
yes, we've caused the current
over population, but we are also
controlling it via hunting. I already SAID
we were the ones who killed off their
natural predators; I'm not disillusioned.
If we suddenly disappeared, there would be
no controls on them at all. That would be
far worse.
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Posted: 01-27-08 18:25pm
SO you rule out the possibility that the
metals the necessary components are
encased in can ever deteriorate enough to
allow the explosion to happen??
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-27-08 18:42pm
Jincks013
wrote:
SO you rule out the
possibility that the metals the necessary
components are encased in can ever
deteriorate enough to allow the explosion
to happen??
I said the metals can deteriorate. But the
fuel cannot ignite without a spark. It's
like putting some gunpowder on a table.
It's not going to spontaneously explode.
The uranium isn't going to spontaneously
fuse, nor are the explosives contained
within the bomb going to ignite. So it can
turn to dust if it wishes; it's still not
going to detonate.
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Posted: 01-27-08 19:02pm
But you are ruling out the possibility.
How? based on what evidence?
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Posted: 01-27-08 19:18pm
Because spontaneous ignition is nearly
impossible according to physics, that's
why.
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Posted: 01-28-08 04:55am
They've been predicting the end of the
world since the dawn of man and so far,
every predicted "apocalypse" has been an
epic fail. The truth of the matter is we
can't destroy the planet. It's been
through worse than us. We can destroy the
hell out of each other and our
environment, however. If anything we
aren't going to "destroy the world" but we
will destroy our own environment to the
point where it's uninhabitable.
We'll wipe out species because of our
superiority complex, confident in our
ignorance that the only thing the cycle of
life needs for a balance is more humans.
We'll keep breeding, keep hunting other
animals with the excuse that we're
"keeping their populations down" while
ignoring our own, until there are no
natural predators left, no natural
resources and no significant plant life to
filter enough fresh oxygen for our
overpopulated species. There won't be
enough jobs to go around because there
will be too many people, there won't be
enough food because what's left of the
wilderness will be industrialized for
housing. We'll probably have a few wars
full of chemicals, explosives and
obliteration.
But...the planet will survive.
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Posted: 01-28-08 07:24am
Eiri
wrote:
Because spontaneous ignition
is nearly impossible according to physics,
that's why.
Unless the parts needed are put togather
in a little package we will call a
warhead, not that any of those currently
exist right?, and of course all those
warheads are in the hands of the mentally
and emotionally stable who are responsible
enough to disarm them completely and
seperate the parts so no interaction can
occure.
Thats news to me.
You are not allowing for the human
element. There are nasty little greedy
people who run countries that are not
balanced in any way. Unless you can
personally garuntee that not a single
warhead is armed and awaiting use,
anywhere in the world, then a ready to go
warhead can still cause incredible damage
after humans are gone.
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Posted: 01-28-08 07:57am
Planet will not survive forever! The sun
will burn on one day!
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Posted: 01-28-08 10:58am
Eiri
wrote:
Do you realise that we're
the only natural predators for deer in
most of northern America? A huge
population growth followed my millions if
not billions of deaths from starved
animals...
Eiri
wrote:
Oh sure, it's "natural" only because
humans aren't involved.
Eiri
wrote:
Except that it's not a bad
example. Oh yes, we've caused the current
over population, but we are also
controlling it via hunting. I already SAID
we were the ones who killed off their
natural predators; I'm not
disillusioned. If we suddenly
disappeared, there would be no controls on
them at all. That would be far
worse.
Oh? Where was that?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-28-08 12:23pm
I didn't ever mention the wolves? Thought
I did - and with the line "We're their
only natural predator" and the general
knowledge that EVERYONE knows we killed
the wolves, I must have felt that it was
stupid and unecessary to mention it.
Are you aware the sky is blue?
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Stooping so, so low... Posted: 01-28-08 13:26pm
Eiri
wrote:
I already SAID we were the
ones who killed off their natural
predators; I'm not
disillusioned.
NO you DIDN'T.
Are you aware that the grass is green?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-28-08 22:51pm
I already reviewed that. Did you miss it?
"I didn't ever mention the wolves? Thought
I did - and with the line "We're their
only natural predator" and the general
knowledge that EVERYONE knows we killed
the wolves, I must have felt that it was
stupid and unecessary to mention it."
It was because I felt "We killed the
wolves" was an obvious fact that I then
said "Are you aware the sky is blue?"
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Birch
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Posted: 01-29-08 10:21am
Eiri, you didn't say it, suck it up. Now
you are pulling yodaspeak.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-29-08 10:54am
I already SAID I
realised I DIDN'T SAY IT. Are YOU
blind? I already said "OH,
I
didn't say that? Well, I figured it
was COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Hey, did you know
the sky is blue?"
It's FUNNY because the sky being blue is
COMMON KNOWLEDGE. This is just another
case of someone not bothering to actually
read what I write, and continuing to think
they've "got something" on me when they
don't.
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Birch
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Posted: 01-29-08 11:11am
Eiri
wrote:
I
already SAID I realised I DIDN'T SAY IT.
Are YOU blind? I already
said "OH, I didn't say that? Well,
I figured it was COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Hey,
did you know the sky is blue?"
It's FUNNY because the sky being blue is
COMMON KNOWLEDGE. This is just another
case of someone not bothering to actually
read what I write, and continuing to think
they've "got something" on me when they
don't.
For some reason, I keep seeing a carousel
when I read your posts.
A big double decker. With wolves to ride,
and deer ahead of them. And a big empty
space where the engine should be.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-29-08 17:50pm
Whatever. I don't know how many times I
need to tell you "Oh, I didn't say that?"
before you'll accept it. I've already
admitted that I didn't realise I didn't
say it. How many times do I need to repeat
it? I realised my mistake, Birch, and I've
already confessed to it. What more do you
want from me? I did not originally say
"humans killed the wolves." There, now
I've said it YET AGAIN.
I have however made the point that the
REASON I didn't mention it in the first
place and the REASON I later thought I had
done so was because I felt the fact
"humans killed the wolves" was COMMON
KNOWLEDGE so it didn't NEED to be stated.
Do you understand that, Birch? Do you now
understand why I said "Did you know the
sky is blue"? Do you know what common
knowledge is?
