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Why Not Adopt? Posted: 11-02-07 15:38pm


There are four types of pro-abortion people reading this 1. A person who considers lack of abortion an infringement on female rights 2. A person who had an abortion 3. A person (man or woman) who has never had an abortion 4. The type of person who is not listed…. 1) For the first type conception can only occur three ways… willingly, an “accident” or rape. In the first two a woman chooses to have sex accepting the risk she may in fact conceive a child. Therefore she is responsible just as much as the male is. If she doesn’t wish to get pregnant… agree to use birth control. However no form is 100% protective therefore the risk is still there. Both of them are responsible. Please realize that life is not fair and woman carry children men don’t. Nothing in life is fair. She chose to take the risk of conceiving a child as did the male. It is a sad fact of life in many unwanted pregnancies men leave their partner abandoned. However, the woman must realize she had more to lose in the risk she undertook. Abortion is a way of running from this so called “mistake” and she runs just like male partners do. She chooses not to take responsibility for her own risk and hides in the comfort of killing her own future child. I commend those strong amazing woman who didn’t run but rather took responsibility (just as men should). This doesn’t mean she has to keep this child but rather give it life; just as the woman who conceived had her own chance at life. There are millions of loving families wanting children through adoption. The minority of woman who conceive under rape deserve respect and understanding. (Personally I believe men who rape should receive the death penalty… that’s right, not all pro-lifers protect all life but rather innocent ones) She above all should be given the help and kindness she deserves. It is necessary to realize that her child did nothing wrong; it was the man that raped her that should be punished. Again… why kill an innocent? 2) A woman who had an abortion either supports it or regrets it. I hope those women who have to deal with the nightmares or regrets of killing what would have been her child find comfort in overcoming their circumstances. For those who support it… “Denial is the foremost of all human reactions”. By admitting she killed her child she has to overcome what she did was wrong. By supporting abortion she is so hopelessly consumed with herself, she is blind to the fact she killed what would be her child. 3) Those that haven’t usually are influenced by others in their opinion and have never had to deal with this situation. Instead of receiving any biased opinion you should observe both sides more carefully then decide. 4) Both Pro-choice and Pro-life people realize that the only separation between a zygote and a baby is time. Thus, when an abortion takes place the death of a future child occurs. If you support such action you support the death of a child’s future. Why not adopt? Those of you skipping to the bottom of this and not reading have no need to respond. Also those of you who have resorted to name calling should realize you are resorting to a childish response and therefore place yourself at the pinnacle of ignorance.

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Posted: 11-02-07 15:43pm


2. Am I right in thinking you are saying if a woman isn't repentent for getting an abortion she is in denial? I am neither. 4. Every month a 'future child' dies in my womb when an egg goes unfertilized. With men, I think of the millions of children they don't have every time sperm is wasted. (I don't think that is your intent of this part of your post, but that is how it reads.) How many children have you adopted?

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Posted: 11-02-07 16:06pm


You are correct in that that is not what I meant... Some woman don't regret having an abortion. however do you acknowledge you killed what could have been your child? You are incorrect in your belief that a "zygote(fertilized egg)" is the same as one that isn't ;Nor does sperm have the potential to become a human being. I can't adopt because I'm underage and I have a child of my own. I'm not stupid as many have called me by keeping he or she (with my girlfriend), and will be on my way to become a lawyer very soon. However, many thousands of sound families wish to adopt. I myself am an adopted child and happy my birth mother gave me a chance at life. Last edited by 16 father on 11-02-07 16:22pm; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: 11-02-07 16:22pm


When are you marrying the mother of your child?

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Posted: 11-02-07 16:24pm


We are more than happily engaged right now! Please answer the question though.... and aren't you one of the people who responded rudely to one of my other posts, oh well. Also everyone please read the topic post before posting a response. Thanks.

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Re: Why Not Adopt?
Posted: 11-02-07 16:39pm

16 father wrote:

There are four types of pro-abortion people reading this.

Most prochoicers are NOT proabortion. If we were just proabortion, we'd have all aborted all of our children (I personally have 2) and we'd be forcing all women to abort.

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3) Those that haven’t usually are influenced by others in their opinion and have never had to deal with this situation. Instead of receiving any biased opinion you should observe both sides more carefully then decide.

I HAVE had to deal with this situation. Even if I hadn't, though, I would still be prochoice, because it is NOT up to me whether or not a woman aborts.
That's why I'm prochoice, because I don't have the right to tell another woman what to do with her own body.

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Posted: 11-02-07 16:44pm


It's not like there's a shortage of children waiting to be adopted. If someone is that desperate to adopt a child they can take one of the kids rotting in the system.

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Posted: 11-02-07 16:48pm


wrong, you have no experience with child services as I do (family). The waiting list to adopt in the us is outrageous and takes years

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Posted: 11-02-07 16:51pm


That's not because there aren't enough children.

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Posted: 11-02-07 17:08pm

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wrong, you have no experience with child services as I do (family). The waiting list to adopt in the us is outrageous and takes years

Wrong. Only babies are on that long list, my friend. What about the OLDER children. They are ready to be adopted too.

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Posted: 11-02-07 17:16pm

16 father wrote:

There are four types of pro-abortion people reading this
1. A person who considers lack of abortion an infringement on female rights
2. A person who had an abortion
3. A person (man or woman) who has never had an abortion
4. The type of person who is not listed….

1) For the first type conception can only occur three ways… willingly, an “accident” or rape. In the first two a woman chooses to have sex accepting the risk she may in fact conceive a child. Therefore she is responsible just as much as the male is. If she doesn’t wish to get pregnant… agree to use birth control. However no form is 100% protective therefore the risk is still there. Both of them are responsible. Please realize that life is not fair and woman carry children men don’t. Nothing in life is fair. She chose to take the risk of conceiving a child as did the male. It is a sad fact of life in many unwanted pregnancies men leave their partner abandoned. However, the woman must realize she had more to lose in the risk she undertook. Abortion is a way of running from this so called “mistake” and she runs just like male partners do. She chooses not to take responsibility for her own risk and hides in the comfort of killing her own future child. I commend those strong amazing woman who didn’t run but rather took responsibility (just as men should). This doesn’t mean she has to keep this child but rather give it life; just as the woman who conceived had her own chance at life. There are millions of loving families wanting children through adoption.
The minority of woman who conceive under rape deserve respect and understanding. (Personally I believe men who rape should receive the death penalty… that’s right, not all pro-lifers protect all life but rather innocent ones) She above all should be given the help and kindness she deserves. It is necessary to realize that her child did nothing wrong; it was the man that raped her that should be punished. Again… why kill an innocent?
2) A woman who had an abortion either supports it or regrets it. I hope those women who have to deal with the nightmares or regrets of killing what would have been her child find comfort in overcoming their circumstances. For those who support it… “Denial is the foremost of all human reactions”. By admitting she killed her child she has to overcome what she did was wrong. By supporting abortion she is so hopelessly consumed with herself, she is blind to the fact she killed what would be her child.
3) Those that haven’t usually are influenced by others in their opinion and have never had to deal with this situation. Instead of receiving any biased opinion you should observe both sides more carefully then decide.
4) Both Pro-choice and Pro-life people realize that the only separation between a zygote and a baby is time. Thus, when an abortion takes place the death of a future child occurs. If you support such action you support the death of a child’s future. Why not adopt?

Those of you skipping to the bottom of this and not reading have no need to respond. Also those of you who have resorted to name calling should realize you are resorting to a childish response and therefore place yourself at the pinnacle of ignorance.

I'm not sure where the idea that anyone 'hides in the comfort of killing her own future child'. Where on earth would you get that idea?

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Posted: 11-02-07 17:20pm

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You are correct in that that is not what I meant... Some woman don't regret having an abortion. however do you acknowledge you killed what could have been your child?
You are incorrect in your belief that a "zygote(fertilized egg)" is the same as one that isn't ;Nor does sperm have the potential to become a human being.

I can't adopt because I'm underage and I have a child of my own. I'm not stupid as many have called me by keeping he or she (with my girlfriend), and will be on my way to become a lawyer very soon. However, many thousands of sound families wish to adopt. I myself am an adopted child and happy my birth mother gave me a chance at life.

Actually, you do not yet have a child of your own as per your own posts. Your girlfriend is currently pregnant and due at the end of January/early February. So at this point, you cannot even tell us what it is like to be a parent.

Are you 100% financially supporting your girlfriend and this baby? How are you doing that while attending high school? Is your girlfriend continuing high school? Do you live together? How will both of you manage college with a baby? Why aren't you putting this child up for adoption?

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Posted: 11-02-07 17:59pm


Since when does pro-choice = pro-abortion? Pro-choice is exactly that... pro-CHOICE. We believe a woman should have the right to make her own CHOICE: whether that be birth, adoption, or abortion. I'm pro-choice and I don't plan on ever aborting. You should re-think your labels. We could just as easily call you anti-choice or anti-woman. Doesn't feel very nice, does it?

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Posted: 11-02-07 18:33pm

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The minority of woman who conceive under rape deserve respect and understanding. (Personally I believe men who rape should receive the death penalty… that’s right, not all pro-lifers protect all life but rather innocent ones) She above all should be given the help and kindness she deserves. It is necessary to realize that her child did nothing wrong; it was the man that raped her that should be punished. Again… why kill an innocent?

Until you have been raped, or have known someone personally who has, your opinions mean nothing. When a woman is raped, the LAST thing on her mind is whether or not she is going to carry the child of the monster that hurt her. And, yes, I know someone personally who was not only raped, but kidnapped, tied up, and left for dead. Thank god she escaped with her life. It was almost 12 years ago, and she is still dealing with what happened to her. Now the mother of a 2 year old little girl, she can barely leave her house for fear of being "grabbed" as she puts it. The worst part is that it was a security guard that did this to her. Someone who was supposed to keep people safe. She trusts no one, and it's very sad. Being pregnant for 9 months with a rapist's baby is a constant reminder, everyday, of what happened. Not to mention she was only 17, and in still in high school. By the way, the dude that raped her only got 7 years in prison! It makes me so angry.

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A woman who had an abortion either supports it or regrets it. I hope those women who have to deal with the nightmares or regrets of killing what would have been her child find comfort in overcoming their circumstances. For those who support it… “Denial is the foremost of all human reactions”. By admitting she killed her child she has to overcome what she did was wrong. By supporting abortion she is so hopelessly consumed with herself, she is blind to the fact she killed what would be her child.

I have been in this situation, and have NO REGRETS at all. Call me what you will, but I was nothing but happy when it was over. A woman who aborts is not in denial about what she has done. We all know that we could be mothers right now. We all know that the embryo growing inside us could have become a baby. It's the way that you look at the situation that makes you assume we are in denial. I didn't see it as doing anything wrong, and you do. It's simply different opinions.

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Both Pro-choice and Pro-life people realize that the only separation between a zygote and a baby is time. Thus, when an abortion takes place the death of a future child occurs. If you support such action you support the death of a child’s future. Why not adopt?

The answer for me is simple. I didn't want to be pregnant. If I wanted to be pregnant, I would have given the child up for adoption.

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Those of you skipping to the bottom of this and not reading have no need to respond. Also those of you who have resorted to name calling should realize you are resorting to a childish response and therefore place yourself at the pinnacle of ignorance.

I have read you whole post, and did not resort to any name calling or childish responses. I'm fairly new here, but will do my best to answer your questions with respect.

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Posted: 11-02-07 19:48pm


I was so happy after my abortion I was skipping for joy.

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Posted: 11-02-07 20:13pm

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I was so happy after my abortion I was skipping for joy. Smile

I was so relieved after mine. We actually went to a diner and had breakfast. I was starving from not eating for 17 hours!

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Posted: 11-02-07 21:25pm


okay point blank the woman has a CHOICE to be able to have a child to be able to keep that child or to be able to terminate her pregnancy who the heck is anyone to sit back and say "oh no your bad if you get an A word youre going to hell" think about it like this if EVERY woman in the world carried and UNWANTED pregnancy then gave the baby up for adoption, orphanages would be like animal shelters over crowded tons of kids piling in each day no where to call home and just like dogs and puppies and cats and kittens, they would have to start euthinizing these children becausee there are NOT ebough families who are wanting to adopt there are more unwanted kids sitting in group homes and orphanages or foster homes.being bounced around from place to place without families how fair is that?

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Posted: 11-02-07 22:59pm


WB embarrassed (16 father).. how can we run you out again? You just might want to change how you post if you intend to hide your actual identity though. But I'll play your game.. again.. Why should my body be used for the commercialization of the fetal industry commonly called adoption? Why is my value only in what comes out of my uterus? Lets play the question game with the hypotheticals shall we? What will you be doing to ensure that our mythical babies have healthy, nurturing complete lives? Or do you wash your hands and the point of birth and say its her responsibility? How do you demonstraite you care at all about our mythical child's life beyond the birth canal? By cutting welfare? Reducing food stamps? Stopping daycare assistance? It seems to me the people who screech the loudest about "save the babiez!!1!1!! are the same ones preaching getting rid of entitlements. Why is that? Ok.. so you've forced the gestation .. now what will you do? No? you don't want to answer actual question? Ok.. we'll play a new game.. lets view some actual material about your anti-choice pro-enslavement people push for there 16 father.. She was bleeding … That’s why I took her to the emergency room … but the doctors said that she didn’t have anything. … Then she felt worse [with fever and hemorrhaging] and on Tuesday they admitted her. They put her on an IV and her blood pressure was low. … She said: ‘Mami, they are not treating me.’ … They didn’t treat her at all, nothing. … When her husband came to bring her food, he heard screams. … They took her to [another hospital in Managua], but it was too late. She died of cardiac arrest. … She was all purple, unrecognizable. It was like it wasn’t my daughter.” -- Angela Morales [real name withheld], mother of a 22-year-old woman who died from pregnancy-related hemorrhaging at public hospital in Managua in November 2006, only days after the blanket ban on abortion was implemented. From comments made by the doctors at the time, Morales believes her daughter was left untreated because doctors were reluctant to treat a pregnancy-related emergency for fear that they might be accused of providing therapeutic abortions. “Here [at this hospital] we have had women who have died. … For example, [name withheld] came here and had an ultrasound. It was clear that she needed a therapeutic abortion. No one wanted to carry out the abortion because the fetus was still alive. The woman was here two days without treatment till she expulsed the fetus on her own. And by then she was already in septic shock and died five days later. That was in March 2007.” -- Dr. Francisco Del Palacio, Deputy Educational Director at Aleman Hospital, Managua. This is completely unacceptable!! These are not cattle; they are women!! Oh right, catholic country, women don't matter their lives are insignificant. Oh PL.. lets see your justification for the slow torture and deaths of these women..c'mon step up to the plate tell me how this is 'prolife' at all? source Obviously not everyone deserves a chance to live to you 16..womens lives don't seem to matter to your type at all

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Posted: 11-02-07 23:06pm


I'm not done yet. First we saw the bill proposed to pay women a measley $500.00 not to abort. This placed a $500.00 value on the life of a fetus (Gratz PFL, I never knew a fetus had a set material value). Now it costs rougly around $10,000.00 to have a baby these days, now the fetus has improved markedly in value; next we have the adoption fees: EXPLANATION OF ADOPTION FEES Permanent Family Resource Center has three adoption programs: 􀁺 Waiting Children Program 􀁺 Domestic Infant/Toddler Program 􀁺 International Program WAITING CHILDREN PROGRAM Low or No Cost Services: Permanent Family Resource Center works very hard to provide low cost or no cost adoption services for families willing to adopt children from the foster care system. The Waiting Children Program placed children from the foster care system into permanent, loving adoptive families. The agency works with social workers from all over the United States to best match the children with families. State governments contract with us and pay us to do adoption services for children for whom they have financial responsibility. To qualify for the Waiting Children program at a reduced cost you must be willing to adopt a child who falls into at least two of the following categories: 1. children age ten or older 2. sibling groups of two or more (at least one school age or older) 3. medically complex children 4. children with moderate or severe mental disability 5. children with a history of sexual abuse 6. boys of school age or older 7. children of African descent 8. Native American children of any age IF one adoptive parent is an enrolled member of a tribe Grants and other available funds: Permanent Family Resource Center will help you find funding for your adoption through other resources, loans and grants. You may qualify for a grant to pay the entire cost of the home study through Adopt America Network. These grants are for families who agree to adopt Waiting Children. You must agree to work with Permanent Family Resource Center prior to applying for the grant. Non-recurring Adoption Expenses: Fees for the home study for the Waiting Children Program most likely will be reimbursed through the non-recurring adoption expense program offered through the State Adoption Assistance Program at the time of adoption finalization. Maximums apply, typically up to $2,000 for all adoption related expenses, such as the home study, travel and legal fees. Federal Tax Credit: Families who adopt children with special needs are eligible for a $10,500 per child tax credit from the federal government. This tax credit is not a tax deduction and you do not need to save receipts or document expenses. You can spread it over a five year period and it reduces your tax burden by $10,500! It’s a great benefit! Item: Amount: When due: Training $100 per person One week before training Application $100 At time of application Home study fee (1st half) $250 At time of first visit Home study fee (2nd half) $250 Before approval of home study ESTIMATED TOTAL: $800 Page 1 of 2 EXPLANATION OF ADOPTION FEES, Cont. Page 2 of 2 C:\Adoption\FORMS-PROCESS FOLDERS\Homestudy\Explanation of Adoption Fees.doc Created: 2/2007 DOMESTIC INFANT/TODDLER PROGRAM There is not a government agency that provides funding for people to adopt healthy infants. Permanent Family Resource Center provides counseling and legal services to birth parents considering adoption. The agency works with many birth parents who, after several visits, choose not to place their child for adoption. We may counsel 10 or more families, including grandparents and birth fathers, for every one infant that gets placed for adoption. Financial Assistance: There are some grants and loans available for people who want to adopt an infant. You worker will help you locate assistance. The agency tries to make the payments as easy as possible for families by spreading it out over time. However, we cannot provide loans or credit for services. Item: Amount: When due: Training $100 per person One week before training Application $100 At time of application Home Assessment fee (1st half) $1,550 At the time of first visit Home Assessment fee (2nd half) $1,550 Before approval of home study Placement fee (1st half) $2,200 At time of placement of infant Placement fee (2nd half) $2,200 At court finalization ESTIMATED TOTAL: $7,800 These are agency fees, and do not include legal fees, medical costs and court filing fees. Many families chose not to use an attorney. Permanent Family Resource Center helps birth mothers obtain free medical care. Infants are typically covered by the adoptive parents’ insurance at the time of birth. Adoptive families rarely incur medical expenses. INTERNATIONAL HOME STUDIES Permanent Family Resource Center partners with other agencies to provide International Adoption Services. Permanent Family Resource Center performs the required home study and post placement services, if required. Our partner agencies provide the referral (which means, telling you about your child) an the overseas work, such as travel arrangements, visas, etc. Different countries and different agencies have different costs. You would be wise to investigate several agencies. The following costs are for Permanent Family Resource Center services only. Tax credit: You may qualify for a federal tax credit if your child has a documented special need at the time of placement. Item: Amount: When due: Training $100 per person One week before training Application $100 At time of application Home study fee (1st half) $1,550 At the time of first visit Home study fee (2nd half) $1,550 Before approval of home study Post-Placement fee (1st half) $900 Before placement of child Post-Placement fee (2nd half) $900 At court finalization ESTIMATED TOTAL: $5,200 The above fees are detailed on the DISCLOSURE STATEMENT & FEE AGREEMENT, which you will be asked to sign at the time you apply to the agency. Do NOT sign this form now. Your assigned social worker will discuss it with you. Don’t let the TOTAL COST column scare you away from adoption. We are here to help add another limb to your family tree! source Additionally, there is an ADOPTION MARKET--a whole cottage industry of people that make money off of adoptions. I am not saying that adopting a child is always a bad thing--buying something is not always a bad thing--but I am saying that it is a CONSUMER concept and it is much closer to commodification of human beings than legal abortion is. I am also hoping to point out that, in many (not all) cases, there is a level of exploitation and coersion that goes into adoptions that disturbs me. The use of the term commidity seems to be injecting a set of connotations that I don't necessarily associate--that is, there is the suggestion that commodification is always already bad. That may or may not be the case. My point is simply that all sorts of things are commodified and if we frame abortion in terms of the negative connotations associated with commodification, it is fair to associate adoption (which is offered often as an alternative to abortion) in the same terms.

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Ok, the Title of the Thread... Posted: 11-02-07 23:47pm


What happened to the question of adoption--personally, it is one of my favorites, and I'll tell you why. All you people who think we should change the laws of the country based on the religious beliefs of one group (I know, I know, it doesn't coem from your RELIGIOUS belief, it's just RIGHT), putting women and children at risk in myriad ways (almost too numerous to enumerate)--here's the pertinent question: How many of YOUR children are adopted? That's right, folks, you hear it all the time, "they should jsut have the baby and put it up for adoption." There are WAY too many kids who need good homes as it is, and WAY too few of y'all who advocate this alternative are stepping up to the plate and putting your money where your mouths are and bringing home a 7 or 12 year old kid whose mother lsot her parental rights cause she's in prison. That kid doesnt' need parents any less than newborn babies do--perhaps they need them more. This is a PRIVACY issue. What happens between a person and her doctor should NOT be up for public debate. Doctors take oaths, some choose to practice one kind of medicine, others the rest...Abortion was legal in the US from colonial times until about the mid 19th century, and was only restricted then because there were too many UNSAFE practices taking place. Now we have safe procedures, safe venues. THis is a personal choice issue. If you don't like athe idea of abortion, then don't have one. But the practice of medicine shoudl NOT be dictated by religion. Period. Neither should the laws of this great country. Be warned...an ugly response may not get a response.