Re read the post it states
pro abortion choice ie as long as you have
the choice to abort nothing else matters i
did not say you would abort i said that is
the only choice that pro choicers are
intrested in what of the fathers choice i
don't see any pro choicers fighting for
that i don't see any pro choicers fighting
for the right to adopt only the right to
abort
I don't know of anyone who is
pro-abortion-choice. I'm certainly not.
I've advised MANY women to NOT abort
because the decision wasn't right for
them. Perhaps you need to remove your head
from your posterior and actually read some
of the abortion forums aside from pro-life
and debate?
The father does not have a choice because
it is NOT his body. Again, are you trying
to imply some how that he:
A. Owns the female, or
B. Owns the fetus?
I wasn't aware that slavery was legal
again. It is not "his fetus too". It is
the woman's body, period.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 11-08-07 11:15am
My interest, actually as a pro CHOICE
individual is finding the best outcome for
life's difficult situations. Outcomes
that take all factors into consideration,
weigh all the positive and negative
aspects of each option and then choose the
one which meets the needs of the majority
of individuals and situations addressed.
Does that make sense? Some of these might
end up with abortion being the best choice
for some, some may end up with adoption
being the best choice, and some may be to
have the child and raise it as your own.
My interest would be in guiding the
individuals involved to come up with a
resolution that would be mutually
beneficial and least negatively impactful
on their lives. You have to take into
account the unique needs of the two people
directly involved and then go from there.
Everyone has "rights" in these scenarios,
but unfortunately the woman's right to
have to bear siad children does trump all
others because it is her body and her
health which are being put in jeopardy by
carrying and birthing a child.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-08-07 23:13pm
diamond splinter
wrote:
Re read the post it states
pro abortion choice ie as long as you have
the choice to abort nothing else matters i
did not say you would abort i said that is
the only choice that pro choicers are
intrested in what of the fathers choice i
don't see any pro choicers fighting for
that i don't see any pro choicers fighting
for the right to adopt only the right to
abort
Why would we have to fight for the right
to adopt? Isn't it legal already? If it
weren't, I would fight for it.
As far as men's choice goes, as I have
already said, carrying a pregnancy and
giving birth is a whole other subject from
financial responsibility. However, I am a
pro-choicer and I do think men should have
a choice. If a woman gets pregnant and
wants to keep the child instead of abort
or give up for adoption, I don't think she
should force the guy to pay for a child he
doesn't want.
Men should be able to opt out in the same
time a woman has to opt out/abort. If
they both wait too long and she has to
have the child, he has to pay for it. If
she decides to keep it and he notifies her
he doesn't want it and she decides at that
point not to abort, I say he shouldn't be
forced to pay for that child and she can
go it alone if she wants.
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Birch
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Posted: 11-08-07 23:14pm
diamond splinter
wrote:
Re read the post it states
pro abortion choice ie as long as you have
the choice to abort nothing else matters i
did not say you would abort i said that is
the only choice that pro choicers are
intrested in what of the fathers choice i
don't see any pro choicers fighting for
that i don't see any pro choicers fighting
for the right to adopt only the right to
abort
actually that's right prochoice are
interested in abortion because pregnancy
is always a choice that no one has ever
tried to take away if you read some of my
posts you will see that i am a prochoicer
who is absolutely interested in father's
having equal choices so you have seen it
and you can cross that off your list of
arguments because it has no weight
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-08-07 23:16pm
Whoah run on sentence.... Did you do that
because she does it?
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Birch
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Posted: 11-08-07 23:16pm
Eiri
wrote:
Whoah run on sentence....
Did you do that because she does
it?
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-08-07 23:32pm
lol!
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Cambion
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Posted: 11-09-07 15:29pm
I seriously think adoption is worse than
abortion...so few people actually want to
adopt because everyone thinks their genes
are so damn superior that only their own
biological children will be acceptable. Or
they think that adopted kids 'are too
messed up' or 'have too many problems'.
Also, everyone wants perfectly healthy
white blonde and blue-eyed babies - there
are some agencies that won't even consider
taking in a bi-racial child. Then there's
also the actual agencies giving people a
very hard time - if you're too fat or you
smoke or you're a homosexual, you get
shown the door and nothing else.
Adoption is wonderful when it's
successful, but about 70 percent of the
time, kids rot in the system until they
are legally old enough to get tossed out
(those who aren't perfect white American
babies are the ones who get screwed). I
really think that if the woman wants to
put her child up for adoption, she needs
to find a family to give her child to
immediately (with a second one in case one
of the families backs out) and, if she
can't find a family for her child, she
should get an abortion. What the hell is
so humane about forcing a child to grow up
with no family in a crappy home, and
living with the knowledge that their own
mother didn't want them? That's probably
why a lot of kids in the system have
problems - their fool mothers chose to
dump them into the system because she's
sooo pro-life and couldn't bear to kill
her pweshus widdle snookums but thinks
it's perfectly fine to inflict emotional
suffering on said child when he's sentient
enough to feel such pain.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-09-07 15:51pm
I personally was always intending to find
an actual family for an unwanted child if
I gave it to adoption. Initially I didn't
want to meet them or ever see my child
again, but these days if I did give to
adoption, I'd very specifically choose a
gay couple and I would want to see my
child
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-09-07 17:17pm
The problem is that when it comes time to
hand over the baby, the pain is too much
to handle so 90% of teen mothers keep
them. I can understand that, as giving
your crying baby away goes against every
natural, biological, evolutionary force
known to human kind.
What ends up happening frequently is that
the teens can't take care of the baby and
it goes into the foster care system,
where it languishes for years because the
mother won't give up her parental rights,
and then the ones that do wait until the
child has problems or perceived problems,
and nobody wants to adopt them.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-09-07 19:37pm
Indeed. I can certainly understand how
hard it would be to give it away. Just
like abortion, adoption is a choice you
HAVE to make from your heart, and is not
one you can be forced in to.
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Cambion
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Posted: 11-10-07 11:44am
Quote:
I can understand
that, as giving your crying baby away goes
against every natural, biological,
evolutionary force known to human kind.
Really? Man if I had to hold a screaming
waif, I couldn't give it away fast enough
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-10-07 11:47am
Childfree, huh?
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-10-07 20:38pm
Cambion
wrote:
Quote:
I can understand
that, as giving your crying baby away goes
against every natural, biological,
evolutionary force known to human kind.
Really? Man if I had to hold a screaming
waif, I couldn't give it away fast enough
Maybe not it if you had
carried it for 9 months and had just given
birth to it.
I didn't bond with my daughter immediately
after she was born. My husband did,
though. I was too terrified something was
going to go wrong still. It took a couple
of days to realize she was really here for
the long haul, and that everything was
fine.
But even still, I don't know how I would
have reacted if someone came in and took
her away for good (adopted her) right
after she was born. I shudder at the
thought, actually.
P.S. The baby only screams for a minute or
two after they are born, and when I
finally got to hold her after the docs
checked her out she was silent and smiling
at everyone. And that screaming is the
most REASSURING sound you will ever hear
in your life!
BREATHE BABY, BREATHE is all you are
thinking at that moment!
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-10-07 20:42pm
Being born is such an amazingly
complicated ordeal for a baby. They
literally go from just existing, utilizing
all of the mother's organs, to an
independent, living, breathing little
person. Those first breathes are HUGE.
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Jincks013
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When my BF and I talked about pregnancy
and abortion I put it to him simply.. "If
I ever got pregnant I will abort" end of
story. I neither needed nor wanted his
consent or input on it.
My body would be the one pregnant not his.
I am not giving up my body for 9 months to
someone else especially to someone who is
physically unable to gestate.
My Body; My Choice.
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unicarrie
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Posted: 11-12-07 06:58am
I think adoption is more irresponsible
than abortion. Here we do not have open
adoption, I could not find a family
beforehand for my child, I would've just
had to hand her over and hope for the
best. When there are so many children
already in the adoption system here,
families do not have to wait for my
newborn, they could give a home to a child
who has already been born. Hence why I had
an abortion.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-12-07 09:20am
Well if there is no family for the child
then obviously adoption is not an option.
I firmly believe that no pregnant woman
should just "give" the child into the
system. They should be required to find a
family that will take the child
beforehand.
Because it IS the woman's choice, adoption
must always be available. However I agree
that if there is no available family,
abortion is the better answer for a woman
who cannot raise the child herself.
Putting another baby in the system is NOT
the answer. Those in the system already
need to be adopted first.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 11-12-07 11:41am
I think the idea that the majority of
children rot in the adoption system is a
little misguided. Nearly all of the
children who remain in the system are not
children who were put there as babies, but
children who were removed from homes where
the conditions were inadequate. White
babies are probably more in demand than
non-white babies, but regardless-people
want to adopt babies. They don't want
children.
IMHO, whether or not adoption is good or
bad depends on the mother, the father, and
their situation. Same with abortion. I
can think of plenty of situations where
each one would be a bad idea in some
respect.
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xphile_1002
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Posted: 11-12-07 11:56am
16 father
wrote:
painless (to the mother),
If abortion is painless, why do they give
the woman painkilling drugs before,
during, and after the abortion?
