Ingi
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Posted: 11-07-07 14:39pm
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| diamond splinter
wrote: | | I am a foster parent to
crisis children yes your point
is????????? |
I asked a question. Jeez. You don't need
to get inflamed immediately
(?????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????
????????????). What was that about? 
I don't think it is fair for anyone
(pro-life or pro-choice) to make blanket
statements that say, "ALL pro-lifers
should adopt!" Or "All pro-choicers must
be mutant killing machines." Because this
is the real world and we know it doesn't
work that way.
The reality is that a lot of people enjoy
telling other people how to live
when they don't, in fact, live it for
themselves. That whole 'do as I say, not
as I do' cliche.
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Moo
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Posted: 11-07-07 14:40pm
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| diamond splinter
wrote: | futureshock : So answer the
question why "abort" and not put up for
adoption?
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That depends entirely on the woman who has
the unwanted pregnancy. Personally I
looked at adoption but abortion was the
better option for me (I didn't want to
carry a pregnancy for multiple reasons, I
didn't want to look after a baby for 6
weeks until they were satisfied I was
happy with the adoption, I didn't want to
give birth etc)
There's no one answer to the question but
basically abortion is the only non
parenting option
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This Is Disjointed Because I Have a Headache! :d
Posted: 11-07-07 14:41pm
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I'm not blaming them. I'm saying they
paint the adoption system as a happy
process where everything runs smoothly and
your baby is adopted by loving parents
within a few days and is happy for the
rest of its life. That's not what happens.
And there aren't enough potential parents.
There just aren't. For many people,
adoption is what you turn to when IVF
doesn't work. It's the last-ditch option,
and if they get pregnant before that, they
won't bother.
If people never aborted, and every baby
who would have been aborted was put into
the system, it would be so much worse than
it already is. Take the abortion figures
for ...oh, let's say the last ten years,
and add every one of them to the number of
children waiting to be adopted. There will
never be that many potential parents. Even
if they loosen the rules and start letting
everyone adopt, there will never be
enough.
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Ingi
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Re: This Is Disjointed Because I Have a Headache! :d
Posted: 11-07-07 14:44pm
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| Rodge
wrote: | I'm not blaming them. I'm
saying they paint the adoption system as a
happy process where everything runs
smoothly and your baby is adopted by
loving parents within a few days and is
happy for the rest of its life. That's not
what happens.
And there aren't enough potential parents.
There just aren't. For many people,
adoption is what you turn to when IVF
doesn't work. It's the last-ditch option,
and if they get pregnant before that, they
won't bother.
If people never aborted, and every baby
who would have been aborted was put into
the system, it would be so much worse than
it already is. Take the abortion figures
for ...oh, let's say the last ten years,
and add every one of them to the number of
children waiting to be adopted. There will
never be that many potential parents. Even
if they loosen the rules and start letting
everyone adopt, there will never be
enough. |
*hands Rodge the ibuprofen*
You are right. Not enough people are
giving enough to invite someone else's
child into their homes to be raised as
their own. Sad.
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diamond splinter
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Posted: 11-07-07 14:44pm
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| Moo
wrote: | | diamond splinter
wrote: | futureshock : So answer the
question why "abort" and not put up for
adoption?
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That depends entirely on the woman who has
the unwanted pregnancy. Personally I
looked at adoption but abortion was the
better option for me (I didn't want to
carry a pregnancy for multiple reasons, I
didn't want to look after a baby for 6
weeks until they were satisfied I was
happy with the adoption, I didn't want to
give birth etc)
There's no one answer to the question but
basically abortion is the only non
parenting
option |
Then why are pro lifers constantly called
selfish for wanting their own babies
instead of adopting by pro choicers that
are not willing to adopt themselves?
why all the hue and cry about the children
in the system by pro choicers that have no
intention of of adopting them hypocritical
to say the least
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Posted: 11-07-07 14:55pm
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| diamond splinter
wrote: | | All the hypocrits on this
site never cease to amaze me all the time
pro lifers are being asked why we don't
adopt yet as soon as a pro lifer asks the
same queston of a pro choicer ie why kill
and not put baby/fetous/zygot/what ever
lable you choose to put on human life up
for adoption you skirt round the queston
and attack said poster hmmm why is that i
wonder? |
I'm not attacking anyone here.
I believe the question is put to prolifers
because y'all are demanding that *every*
pregnancy (with a few exceptions for some)
be gestated to term, so the point being
made is that y'all should be willing to
adopt all those unwanted babies that would
be born.
As for me, I always said if I ever wanted
kids, I'd rather adopt than birth (and
adopt an older child out of the
diaper/toddler stage) but I do not want
kids. I will not place for adoption
because I am unwilling to put my body
through the trauma of gestation and birth.
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Ingi
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Posted: 11-07-07 14:56pm
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| diamond splinter
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Then why are pro lifers constantly called
selfish for wanting their own babies
instead of adopting by pro choicers that
are not willing to adopt themselves?
why all the hue and cry about the children
in the system by pro choicers that have no
intention of of adopting them hypocritical
to say the
least |
That is kind of what I'm talking about...
the blanket statement that doesn't apply
to, say, ME. Or from the Pro-choicers
blanket statement that Pro-lifers should
be foster/adoptive parents and take in
'unwanted' children, this statement
doesn't apply to you either.
And I believe Rodge does have the
intention of adopting children in
the system. So she must be also excluded
from this statement.
Right to lifers are saying "Don't abort
that baby." Is that SAME right to life
protestor going to adopt other women's
unwanted children? Because they tell them
not to abort and what would happen to
those unwanted children that are saved
from abortion by the protestors?
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Posted: 11-07-07 14:56pm
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| diamond splinter
wrote: | futureshock : So answer the
question why "abort" and not put up for
adoption?
RODGE i actualy know a lot of pro lifers
that do adopt and foster so your statment
is a load of b/s where is your evidence
that pro lifers don't adopt child welfare
is a humanity problem not just a pro life
problem yeah there are a lot of children
still in the system but that has naff all
to do with being pro life or pro choice
that has more to do on the strict
regulations the goverment put on potential
parents |
I will after the half million children in
line already are adopted, and after the
half million frozen embryos are adopted,
too.
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:00pm
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what a cop out how many have you
adopted\fostered or is it only pro lifers
that you think should take on the
responsibility for all the unplaced
children you go on constantly about pro
lifers adopting what of the pro choicers
when wil they take some of the
responsibilty it is a problem for all not
just a certian group of people
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:03pm
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| msrosie
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I am unwilling to put my body through the
trauma of gestation and
birth. |
I have done it once. Never again. The
whole process was a nightmare, from
vomiting and nausea 24/7, to painful
stomach and intestinal problems, right
through to the agony of labor and the
horror of delivery. It is worse torture
than we inflict on terrorists.
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:03pm
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Well obviously the pro lifer having the
abortion doesn't want children at that
particular moment in time.
No one said the child welfare system was
the personal responsibility of only the
prolifers.
I have fostered children and I'm
prochoice. Woo, I'm cuttiing edge over
here. 
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:05pm
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| diamond splinter
wrote: | | what a cop out how many have
you adopted\fostered or is it only pro
lifers that you think should take on the
responsibility for all the unplaced
children you go on constantly about pro
lifers adopting what of the pro choicers
when wil they take some of the
responsibilty it is a problem for all not
just a certian group of
people |
Here is the logic, please try to follow
it.
Pro-lifers are the ones who want to make
abortion illegal, and force women to give
birth.
Pro-lifers would then be the CAUSE of the
extra children up for adoption.
Pro-lifers then have the responsibility of
adopting them.
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:11pm
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and what of the children in the system
that havebeen orphaned do they not need to
be adopted how is that the responsibility
of pro lifers?
what of the children taken into care
because the parent has suffered a mental
break down do they not need to be adopted
how is that a pro lifers responsibility?
what of the children that have been taken
into care because the courts ordered
because the parents couldn't cope do they
not need adopting how is that a prop
lifers responsibility?
not all children are in care just because
mum didn't want them
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:11pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | | diamond splinter
wrote: | | what a cop out how many have
you adopted\fostered or is it only pro
lifers that you think should take on the
responsibility for all the unplaced
children you go on constantly about pro
lifers adopting what of the pro choicers
when wil they take some of the
responsibilty it is a problem for all not
just a certian group of
people |
Here is the logic, please try to follow
it.
Pro-lifers are the ones who want to make
abortion illegal, and force women to give
birth.
Pro-lifers would then be the CAUSE of the
extra children up for adoption.
Pro-lifers then have the responsibility of
adopting
them. |
If you feel you have choice as woman don't
you think others should too?? If you feel
it is bad for dogs to go into a kennel do
you take all of them home.. Just because
you have a cause doesn't mean you have to
take full responsibility in your own
home/hands to correct the cause. I’m
sure there are thing you don’t like or
have a stand on and you are not out there
doing everything you could to correct it
to suit your beliefs..
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:14pm
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| diamond splinter
wrote: | and what of the children in
the system that havebeen orphaned do they
not need to be adopted how is that the
responsibility of pro lifers?
what of the children taken into care
because the parent has suffered a mental
break down do they not need to be adopted
how is that a pro lifers responsibility?
what of the children that have been taken
into care because the courts ordered
because the parents couldn't cope do they
not need adopting how is that a prop
lifers responsibility?
not all children are in care just because
mum didn't want
them |
Those should be the responsibility of all
of us. But you pro-lifers better get in
there and adopt all of those children in
there now (and the frozen embryos) before
you make abortion illegal, lol!
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:17pm
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you really are coming across as a ignorant
imbecile do you think that it is written
on the childs file up for adoption because
the mother wasn't allowed to abort put
your money where your mouth is and adopt
you hypocrite your so quick to shirk the
responsibility and scream for pro lifers
to adopt yet where are you for these
unplaced children
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:18pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: | | diamond splinter
wrote: | | what a cop out how many have
you adopted\fostered or is it only pro
lifers that you think should take on the
responsibility for all the unplaced
children you go on constantly about pro
lifers adopting what of the pro choicers
when wil they take some of the
responsibilty it is a problem for all not
just a certian group of
people |
Here is the logic, please try to follow
it.
Pro-lifers are the ones who want to make
abortion illegal, and force women to give
birth.
Pro-lifers would then be the CAUSE of the
extra children up for adoption.
Pro-lifers then have the responsibility of
adopting
them. |
If you feel you have choice as woman don't
you think others should too?? If you feel
it is bad for dogs to go into a kennel do
you take all of them home.. Just because
you have a cause doesn't mean you have to
take full responsibility in your own
home/hands to correct the cause. I’m
sure there are thing you don’t like or
have a stand on and you are not out there
doing everything you could to correct it
to suit your
beliefs.. |
So, you don't think that the people
responsible for additional children in the
foster care system have any obligation to
care for them.. Oh wait. That's because
pro-life=pro-fetus, not pro-child, right?
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Ingi
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:18pm
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Isn't it obvious? Futureshock is busy
aborting them.
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:20pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | | meblonde01
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: | | diamond splinter
wrote: | | what a cop out how many have
you adopted\fostered or is it only pro
lifers that you think should take on the
responsibility for all the unplaced
children you go on constantly about pro
lifers adopting what of the pro choicers
when wil they take some of the
responsibilty it is a problem for all not
just a certian group of
people |
Here is the logic, please try to follow
it.
Pro-lifers are the ones who want to make
abortion illegal, and force women to give
birth.
Pro-lifers would then be the CAUSE of the
extra children up for adoption.
Pro-lifers then have the responsibility of
adopting
them. |
If you feel you have choice as woman don't
you think others should too?? If you feel
it is bad for dogs to go into a kennel do
you take all of them home.. Just because
you have a cause doesn't mean you have to
take full responsibility in your own
home/hands to correct the cause. I’m
sure there are thing you don’t like or
have a stand on and you are not out there
doing everything you could to correct it
to suit your
beliefs.. |
So, you don't think that the people
responsible for additional children in the
foster care system have any obligation to
care for them.. Oh wait. That's because
pro-life=pro-fetus, not pro-child,
right? |
do you take on everything you believe in I
think not!
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Posted: 11-07-07 15:21pm
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| Ingi
wrote: | | Isn't it obvious?
Futureshock is busy aborting
them. |
LOL I know..
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