I need to get this off my chest, am 29
year old guy who has never dated in my
life. I have always been shy around other
people, in fact, as far back as I can
remember going back to elementary school.
Recently, I had just gotten out of the
military about 2 months ago. I remember
when I joined 7 years ago thinking that it
was going to change my life, you know?
Start making friends, learn a career and a
trade, travel, and finally get a
girlfriend, well all of that never
happened. I had been struggling with
depression during my whole term, and
finally got discharged because of it,,
actually they wrote Honorable Dishcharge
with a "Personality Disorder" on my 214
when I got out. The fact was, I had
become so fed up, doing everything I knew
how to do in life, and got little or no
result and felt that I was incapatable
with the military after 7 years. They
made see a psychologist, put me on
celexia, etc., now am transitioned back
into civilian life.
I don't take the anti-d's anymore, but had
recently quit a couple of jobs due to my
anxiety around people, which stemed from
years of verbal and some physical abuse by
my peers in school. I spoke to a female
psychiatrist who started asking me all the
personal questions as to try to find out
why I feel the way I do now which went a
little like this:
Doc: So, why did you come to see me
today?
Me: Not sure, I just got out of the
military, and have already quit two jobs
since then.
Doc: Why?
Me: Because I'm not really comfortable
around others..never have been
Doc: Have you ever had a gf?
Me: No, I have never dated before
Doc: Are you gay?
At this point, I went from feeling a
little ashamed by the nature of this
questions, to almost furious when she
asked me if I was gay. Am I gay?? I was
at the point I could have picked up the
couch I was sitting on and smacked her
with it. I couldn't believe this person
who apparently was going by the text book
style of questioning for depressed people
as myself, had just try to insuiate that
because I am 29 years old, never have
dated, never have asked out a girl, don't
know what the hell to say to girls, have
always have had people as well as
authority figures in my life do nothing
but tell me to shut up, and never mind the
fact that I am attracted to woman and not
men,, according to her I must be gay.
While maintaining my composure and
restoring my anger, I got up, walked to
the door, turned around and told her "I'm
gay??, well, your'e the reason that they
invented twin beds" and walked out.
The only thing I have ever in my life
since I was in high school was a
girlfriend. I have gone through my life
watching as other guys are successful in
life,, as though as they were born with a
silver spoon in their ass or something,
while I just stand back and watch as they
get all the women. It really never helped
either that I have been an only child.
Through school, I was socially awkward, I
never played any sports, was mediocre at
best with my academics, and on top of it
all,, my mother was overpossesive, nice
lady, but really overpossesive, you know,
afraid that I'll get hurt if I play
football and all that crap. As far as
friends, I have never had any,,, I never
knew what I have doing wrong for all these
years, but when I watch other people co
exist and socialize,, it seems to come so
natural to them.
SO, with all that said, basically, I would
just like some down to earth advice sans
the obivous: see a shrink, take pills,
etc, because I know the whole f***n world
cannot possibly be on wellbutrin and
such,, at least for the simple task of
going out and meeting/talking to girls,
and yes I understand that some people have
to take it and they depend on it.
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daffodil67
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Nov 2007 Posts: 54 Location: , midsouth, usa (think presidential pair)
Posted: 11-04-07 01:27am
Wow...lot of emotion behind that...I'm so
sorry you have had such a hard time. I
really am...I was pretty much where you
are when I was your age--not the same
STUFF going on, but at the same level of
frustration, probelms (probably a lot
worse, actually...)
Anyway...I have to say, that I think the
Dr's question was jsut that--a question.
It's kinda the next, first logical step in
that line of questions--she doesn't know
you, she's trying to get the picture. I
mean, it's not that common for a guy not
to have had a gf at your age, so she's
trying to get an idea why that might be.
The most OBVIOUS reason is that a person
is gay. That does not mean that you are
gay, or even that SHE thinks you are gay
or even that you are in ANY way
abnormal....but DRs use a process of
ruling out the obvious things until they
get to what's going on. That's just how
it works. If a Dr I dont' know asks me if
I'm gay, it's not an indictment.....that's
what psychiatrists do. They meet you,
talk to you, try to get an idea of who you
are, what's bothering you, and how they
can best help. It's actually pretty
straighforward.
The problem is that THAT WASN'T YOUR
PROBLEM...and you have been really
bothered by it for a really long time. It
sounds to me like you had a LOT invested
in that DR's visit--maybe had high
expectations--and you were REALLY focused
on that one thing. So when she asked you
that, instead of being able to say
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, in fact, it's quite a
problem that I haven't had a gf, you got
upset.
I TOTALLY understand what you mean when
you talk about people seeming to socialize
and co exist with such ease. I myself
find myself scratching my head wondering
what the secret is. There's a new sitcom
on cbs on mon about these young physics
profs, and this last week they went to a
party and sat on the couch and observed
the "normal" people, trying to figure out
how to get in on the social action. I was
like "YESSSSS!!!!" Interacting with
people in person baffles me somewhat,
although you might never know it, as I
have honed some pretty good presentaion
skills over the years. But I'm not the
same as my siblings. They seem to make
friends easily and get along much better
in the world.
There are several things that coudl be
going on here. There is a condition
called Asperger's Syndrome. These peeople
tend to have difficulty making friends,
although they crave friends as much as you
and I do. But there are a lot of other
things that go along with AS that may not
pertain to you, I don't know.
From what you've said here, the most
likely thing that I would guess is social
anxiety disorder, which IS treated with
certain of the antideressants and some
therapy. But all in all, I think that
would kind of be good news. From what
little I know, people with this problem
get lots of relief with the proper
treatment.
The other thing is that there can be some
comfort in figuring out what's actually
going on--then you know what to do for it,
for one, and also, you can meet other
people who have similar issues and talk
about how they have overcome obstacles. I
personally would encourage you to TRY
getting help again. I mean...what are you
really going to accomplish on the
internet? By walking out on that DR you
shut the door on an opportunity for
help--and by saying that I'm not indicting
you. I jsut mean that if that ONE thing
had not happened (if she had not asked
that question and you had not had that
reaction) your life might be a lot
different right now.
Look up AS and Social Anxiety Disorder on
the net, maybe, see wha tyou think. It
can take a while to get used to the
lingo...have you ever looked at the NAMI
site? It is for people with problems and
their families, very user-friendly.
The LAST thing in the world I want to do
is upset you further, but I have a lot of
experience with doctors and even a
master's in psychology. If my language
seems formal and straightforward, that's
why. I hope you find what you need. I DO
think that if you keep pushing forward,
trying to find an answer, and MAYBE
keeping a semi, partially open mind about
diagnosis and treatment, you can find a
lot of relief.
Good luck! I'm curious to know what
happens.
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eOns of gREy
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 35 Location: , United States
Posted: 11-04-07 19:30pm
i never had a gf, im 15.
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conanvette
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2
Posted: 11-04-07 22:57pm
Appreciate the support daff, thank you
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Georgia59
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Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 5557 Location: Along the Mississippi, USA
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Posted: 11-05-07 10:49am
I want to add- if you aren't really
getting along with your doc or
psychologist, remember that you are the
one paying them and you have every right
to go find a different one. Set up a few
consults with new psychologists just to
see how you get along with them and choose
the one you trust. If you don't have a
good relationship, it's not going to be
helpful.
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marvel
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Posted: 11-05-07 10:55am
What Georgia said.
Additionally, I think that you have to get
your anxiety/depression taken care of
before you can hope to have a successful
relationship with a woman. I normally find
that other people can't make depression go
away (even if they're the type of person
you've always wanted). Only you can do
that through your own efforts, whether it
be seeing a psychiatrist you really
trust... trying different medications...
etc. etc.
I wish you luck, my friend!
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~*debby*~
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1 Location: , CT
Posted: 11-06-07 23:14pm
maybe going thru being in the service has
been a lot for you and you've had a lot on
your plate in the past . How about some
just plain old female friends to talk to
and become more comfortable with woman in
general ?
I added you as a friend so if you ever
feel the need to get something off your
chest again I'm all ears . Just
becautioned I sometimes need to vent
myself and I can be a PITA LOL . I'm
suffering from depression myself and dealt
with lots of (and still am) self esteem
issues . I'm thinking I know where your
coming from .
Hope things look up for you !!
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void_
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Dec 2007 Posts: 4
Posted: 12-25-07 01:00am
thank you conanvette. and this site. i
have skimmed through the threads.
i realize now there are many people like
me. but that doesnt solve anything. that
just means i can see into my future.
the solution i must fix my eyes into my
ulterior motives. i have to stop dwelling
here. they are watching, searching. i
cannot be found.
it's natural. it's natural selection.
i know this doesnt make sense but it makes
perfect sense to me; i just omitted some
words. thnx for letting me vent. i just
need closure. i am risking the achievement
of my goal by surfing around this topic.
so bye.