Alright here is one for all you
intellectual folks.
Alright so here it goes...
If there is no god, no higher power what
would you do? i don't mean would you run
around naked or*edited for profanity like
that, i mean what would you believe in?
Personally i believe in Existantalism
This is to say that we just exist, there
is no meaning behind life, and we do what
we do by choice. now many people will be
pissed and say god IS REAL, no matter
what, and that is your opinion, your
belief, but think about it, the bible was
written by people just like you, just like
me, so who is to say that they didn't just
make it up?
Religion is...
a way for the human race to preserve
itself
a scapegoat for criminals
a crutch for the weak
a reason to be strong
but mostly religion is a way to
rationalize what happens after death.
think about all this, and say something if
you have anything WORTHWHILE to say, i
don't want any dumb replies, please and
thank you
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woops
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Posted: 11-04-07 17:43pm
I would prefer to not have a mere belief.
I would prefer to know exactly what is.
A belief is only an opinion, worthless.
If there is a god or not, I wanna just
know it.
Truth man, truth.
And I don't have it.
Does anybody know for sure what is? I
would like to meet him or her.
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woops
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Posted: 11-04-07 17:55pm
But I do believe that having a higher
power or god wouldn't be great and
perfect. What if there is a higher power?
What good is it doing? Definetly not
saving any lives or keeping anyone from
suffering.
And if there isn't. Well, that's just as
bad.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-04-07 17:55pm
I don't think my life would change all
that much. I'd still believe in ghosts and
the afterlife and all of that, because
none of my beliefs in that area are
connected with God, whose existence I'm
not really bothered about.
If I had solid proof that ghosts weren't
real, then, I'd probably keep believing in
them anyway. Why? It brings a little
sunshine into my life. I enjoy my beliefs.
Not knowing everything ever is fun,
because it leaves room for imagination. I
imagine there are at least some people who
would say the same about God.
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woops
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Posted: 11-04-07 18:23pm
You do know what people have to do in
order to become ghosts right?
How can you enjoy this idea?
What's enjoyable about the idea that
people die horribly and then become
ghosts?
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-04-07 18:34pm
Because ghosts are awesome.
Besides, they don't have to die horribly.
It's just that most of the ones in legend
(urban or otherwise) did.
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LainieNY
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Posted: 11-04-07 18:42pm
Ghost in my opinion is the layman's term
for spiritual beings. We all go into the
spirit realm at some point. For those of
us who is not afraid or have a guilt about
something, will cross over, come back for
a visit or 2 with friends or loved ones.
The spirits, who have not accepted their
passing, are afraid and guilty over
something, usually land up becoming a
earth bound spirit. We still have free
will & choice over there, just like
here.
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young Girl
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Posted: 11-04-07 18:44pm
Rodge
wrote:
Because ghosts are awesome.
Besides, they don't have to die horribly.
It's just that most of the ones in legend
(urban or otherwise)
did.
ive got one on my front porch!!!! no joke!
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Re: What If? Posted: 11-04-07 19:44pm
PsychMajor
wrote:
Alright here is one for all
you intellectual folks.
Alright so here it goes...
If there is no god, no higher power what
would you do? i don't mean would you run
around naked or health question like that,
i mean what would you believe
in?
I already don't believe there is a higher
power, and I'm certainly not running naked
in the streets. Human morals do NOT have
to come from a religion.
I don't believe in anything. Despite the
whining, science is not a religion. You're
not asked to believe anything. You can ask
for proof and receive.
Quote:
Religion is...
a way for the human race to preserve
itself
a scapegoat for criminals
a crutch for the weak
a reason to be strong
but mostly religion is a way to
rationalize what happens after
death.
I agree.
It is also a way to explain the unknown
and the frightening. Thunder, earthquakes,
monsoons, etc. People made up stories to
explain these events, and humans modeled
god after themselves (as opposed to the
reverse). That's why the greek and roman
pantheons have such "issues". They are
reflections of human emotions. That's why
the Christian god is so angry.
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Birch
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Posted: 11-04-07 21:40pm
I would not "do" differently. I already
"do" as if there is a 'higher
power'...because I believe I am a higher
power. All people are.
I would also add that religion can be a
way for people to bolster their self
esteem into believing they are worth
something to 'someone'. It's also a
'culture of thought' and a nice social
package.
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marvel
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Posted: 11-04-07 22:35pm
I believe that religion is a means of
someone rationally explaining their non
rational experiences and knowledge.
This means that it's true for those who
honestly and truly believe it.
So I guess my big question is what causes
these non rational experience and this non
rational knowledge that human beings feel
a need to rationally express?
I'm still working on it. And happy to be
doing so.
I guess I believe in "exploring". If, in
the end, I don't find anything.. so what?
The worst that could possibly happen is
I'll die very wise. That's ok with me.
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Cambion
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Posted: 11-04-07 23:46pm
I have been of the belief that religion is
meant for people who are too dense to have
their own beliefs or make their own
decisions, so they need some imaginary
deity to tell them how to live and what to
believe. I believe it was George Carlin
who described how the Catholic religion
was created as a way to control people by
scaring them with damnation to hell if
they didn't behave; I am in agreement with
what he said.
I believe in spirit life - not angels or
gods, but what we know as 'ghosts'. And I
believe there is an afterlife somewhere.
But I stopped believing in the Catholic
God and the entire bloody religion once I
got out of parochial school and realized
how ridiculous the concept of God really
was. So, my life would not change if I
found out there were no higher powers
because I already feel they do not exist.
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Mikolas
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Posted: 11-05-07 00:48am
I believe that there are higher beings. It
would be arrogant to assume we are the
peak of ingenuity and intelligence. Pretty
sure there is life out there somewhere,
too many stars to not have at least one of
them have living conditions (assuming that
the living conditions we know of is the
only way for life to exist). They could
likely be far more advanced and superior
then us.
God though? I'm agnostic with a bit of a
twist. Most of my beliefs are rooted on
epistemology so I'm a very big skeptic. I
don't think anybody has the right to say a
God does NOT exist, because we are mere
mortals and no where close to omniscient
level of knowledge, but I do question such
a being's existence. I could say there
would be beings that could very likely
seem Godly compared to us, but I doubt it
if we are discussing the classical
theistic conception of God (an immortal
all perfect, omnipotent, omniscient,
omni-benevolent being who created the
universe).
I don't like to rely on anything external
for my sake. Religion is one of them. If
somehow God's existence was proven false,
I would not be affected. That way, I won't
be broken or in denial like I can imagine
millions of others would. If God exists
and it is proven, well, I guess I have to
bow down to the Almighty right. No biggie
either way, if God exists, I'd like to ask
the being a few questions and pay homage
if required, if not, oh no, the world will
continue to rotate and global warming will
come eventually anyway.
Religion however, some people mentioned
above, are people's interpretations for
the unexplained. I think that is
plausible, religion now are pretty heavily
modified from what I've noted by human
perspectives. I personally think that
religion is just a safety net for people
to hold on to so that they can sleep
better at night. I'm not saying it is
false, the truth is out there somewhere,
so anything has a small chance of being
correct, but it's not up to us to find out
which one is based on our beliefs since we
would be bias. I do admit that somethings
are just too perfect, the way Christianity
as a religion works is just remarkable.
From an outside perspective, the way it
functions seems like a mastermind created
it, not just some human fanatic. However,
that is what worries me, it is just... too
perfect. It really toys with human flaws
and works by playing those cards against
us. Heh sorry if this doesn't make much
sense, I didn't really write why.
Join me in Mikolism. It is a religion
based off of perfection. Pinky and the
Brain are two famous contenders, well,
just the Brain. And I don't know wth I'm
saying, I pulled two all nighters.
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sillysallie1990
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Re: What If? Posted: 11-05-07 01:12am
Eiri
wrote:
PsychMajor
wrote:
Alright here is one for all
you intellectual folks.
Alright so here it goes...
If there is no god, no higher power what
would you do? i don't mean would you run
around naked or health question like that,
i mean what would you believe
in?
I already don't believe there is a higher
power, and I'm certainly not running naked
in the streets. Human morals do NOT have
to come from a religion.
I don't believe in anything. Despite the
whining, science is not a religion. You're
not asked to believe anything. You can ask
for proof and receive.
Quote:
Religion is...
a way for the human race to preserve
itself
a scapegoat for criminals
a crutch for the weak
a reason to be strong
but mostly religion is a way to
rationalize what happens after
death.
I agree.
It is also a way to explain the unknown
and the frightening. Thunder, earthquakes,
monsoons, etc. People made up stories to
explain these events, and humans modeled
god after themselves (as opposed to the
reverse). That's why the greek and roman
pantheons have such "issues". They are
reflections of human emotions. That's why
the Christian god is so
angry.
this is ecxactly what i believe cept i
dont really believe there isnt a higher
power i just dont believe there is one you
know? i want proof that there is one...
lol i took a mythology class and it pretty
much ruined it for me lol....
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-05-07 10:58am
You don't believe there isn't one, but you
don't believe there is? So you both
believe a higher power exists and at the
same time you DON'T believe there is one?
How can you believe both at the same time?
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sillysallie1990
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Posted: 11-05-07 13:33pm
i am sortta in the middle about it i am
not convinced the there is a god but at
the same time i am not convinced that
there isnt one.... i havent seen any proof
for either side of the aurgument... i cant
explain..... grrrrr
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Gu£st
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Posted: 11-05-07 16:51pm
If there were no God, I would do what ever
I wanted and needed to do in order to
obtain all the experiences life could
offer and then I would probably kill
myself....that would be all there was to
believe in.
Nothing would be wrong and nothing would
be right, If I wanted to rape someone I
would, If I wanted to mug an old lady, I
would, If I wanted to kill someone I
would, If I wanted money I would get it by
any means necceasery and kill anyone who
tried to stop me and at the end of doing
everything I wanted I would kill myself.
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Birch
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Posted: 11-05-07 17:02pm
Dang, Guest, I hope one day you feel
better about yourself.
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Gu£st
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Posted: 11-05-07 17:06pm
I feel fine about myself, why would I feel
bad about myself?
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sillysallie1990
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Posted: 11-05-07 17:29pm
you dont have to have religion to have
morals. like i said i dont really believe
in god but i also think that stealing rape
and homicide is very very wrong!!!!!!
