Okay, I just read all kinds of posts in
this forum, and discovered my problem -
I'm 44 and having a midlife crisis!!
Seriously.
Yes, we've been married for 22 years.
There's a lot of history. We met my
second year in college. Before that, I'd
never had a girlfriend. I was kind of a
loner up to that point - grew up in an
environment with alcoholism &
depression, and either denial or
unawareness of the situation.
Anyway, I was at a point where I figured
the first pretty girl, who was attracted
to me, and with whom I "made it" would be
probably the only one I would ever meet
like that, in this whole world. Yes, she
picked me up. Came back to my dorm room,
and here I am 22 years later.
I honestly don't know whether any of this
matters or not, but it nags at me from
time to time.
Within a week, I discovered that she was
actually a very moody, and that we had
little in common - except for our
attraction to one another.
Her parents wouldn't pay for her to go
back to that college, so for the 2 years
following, she was 90 miles away, and it
became an over the phone and weekend kind
of thing. I always loved getting out and
socializing. She hated it. We'd always
end up on the sofa at her parent's house,
watching TV. I'd be bored to tears, but
internalizing it.
My last year, on my own in College, I also
became more social, and made some good
friends in my dorm. There was a girl I
used to hang out with there - suffice it
to say, I was feeling mightily confused -
on graduating, and moving back to the city
to find work - where my girl was.
She wanted to marry asafp upon my return
to Seattle. I lived in a shared rental
with some friends when I first got there.
She seemed to be always frowning, and
wanting to stay in and be a couch potato.
I wanted to go out and explore. We stayed
at her parents, on the sofa. Every time.
I told her I wasn't sure about getting
married. She clammed up, gave me a cold
shoulder. Took a posture like she was
going to dump me. I got scared, and
backed down. We got married. I cried on
my wedding day.
Within a year, being out in the working
world, and married to her, was the first
time I was diagnosed with depression, and
high blood pressure.
I wouldn't accept it. I dieted and
exercised, and got my blood pressure down,
but stayed in denial about the depression,
refusing medication.
We didn't have kids right away. I had
times where I just felt unhappy. We had a
sex life. It was good, but on some level,
I always felt as though "me" was lost - I
had given it up. Felt that way on my
wedding day too. It always left a little
twist in my stomach.
I made a go of it with her - tried to find
some fun in the relationship. All the
time, all I seemed to care about was that
I had a sense of security in that we were
a "stable" relationship. It was dull. I
was not having fun though, day-to-day. I
wanted to do physical things, get
outdoors, go see live music downtown. She
wanted to stay in and watched TV. We
stayed in. I went out running to keep in
shape. That was my escape. That, and I
had a job with travel - so I could get
away for a few days here and there.
When I got the offer for the job in
California, I saw it as a chance to go my
own way. She cried, I got scared and
backed off. We moved down there together.
I got interested in a girl there, but
could never get the nerve up to say
anything. But it stole my focus away from
her. She ended up sleeping with a
coworker there that I had befriended
before ever moving down, and then having
an affair with someone else, and moving to
a separate apartment.
I had a nervous breakdown, my first.
Still, I was in denial about the
depression. We went to counseling.
Everyone told me - do NOT divorce! Being
single is hell.
I found work in Seattle, and returned.
She followed me back about 2 months later,
and we were together again. I had
befriended a girl there, in hindsight,
doubtful that there was anything there.
My wife dug in, and I let this other girl
go.
At that point, I started giving up. We
bought our first home.
I figured I would never be strong enough
to end it. I told her I loved her, even
though I wasn't sure about it. I got
involved with a coworker, we dated
secretly - it was a payback thing on my
part. Stupid. At that point, I quit
drinking. I was 27.
When I tried to talk to friends about how
I felt, they said "do NOT get a divorce.
It is the worst thing you could do."
So I made a go of it, and really tried.
And we went on short weekend trips to
places nearby. B&B's, went to Mexico.
We didn't I went with it, and we had some
good times. Not exactly the kinds of
activities I would have chosen on my own,
only what she was willing to do.
It seemed like we'd had our fill of the no
kids thing, so we had our first daughter.
I wasn't expecting the one year of "no
sex" after the baby was born, but there it
was.
I'd always seemed to want sex more
frequently then she did, throughout our
entire relationship. It seemed like she
was always tense, uptight, and could not
relax.
Then our sex life came back. Then, when
our first was 3, the house became too
small, and the street was "going condo",
so we sold. I had my second nervous
breakdown. This is when I finally started
anti-depressants. We fought over where to
buy a home.
She wanted to live in this "high end"
neighborhood. I wanted quiet - I did not
want to live on a busy street. The
antidepressants gave me strength, and I
stood up to her. And we got a house
further out from the city, in a quieter
area. The meds really helped. My best
friend since jr. high was starting to play
drums in a band. I'd always wanted to
play bass, so I got into music myself,
with a different band. These were good
years - my first years on meds. I had the
music hobby, as my own thing, that I love
and still do to this day.
When our oldest was 5, we had a second,
because we did not want to have an only
child. I never expected that there would
be "no sex ever again", after that. But
there it was.
My father passed a few years later. The
alcoholism took him in his early 60's.
Both of my wife's parents passed during
this time too. I was actually, secretly
thankful, since this meant I would not be
getting dragged off to all-day family
gatherings nearly every weekend for all of
the birthdays of kids (Filipino family,
big). We'd go to every stinking one of
them. I would get bored sick - they all
spoke native, and I couldn't understand a
word, and we always stayed, what seemed
like forever. I've never felt much in
common with any of them. But they were my
in-laws, so I made a go of it.
The sex thing became a bigger problem over
time - in that there was none. I would
try and initiate, and she would be too
tired or stressed or tense.
Also, as the kids have gotten older, she's
very strict and very critical, and yells
at them both a lot. Very critical.
I talked to her about both these issues to
no avail. I made an effort to communicate
on both fronts. We fundamentally disagree
on the decisions to make for the kids.
She always seems to "decide" first, and
then expect me to back her up.
I hate that. I hate all of the yelling,
it is stressful to listen to. When I do
get the chance I'll make the decision
before she does. Sometimes, I think her
position is so stupid on some things that
I override it. This has been an issue,
that we've talked about, and on which we
fundamentally disagree. No resolution.
These last 4-5 years, it seems like we've
withdrawn from one another. She kisses me
when she leaves for work - very early in
the morning, and says "I love you". It is
very hard to say back - usually, I just
pretend to be asleep - which isn't hard as
I'm kind of groggy anyway.
I've got my music hobby - playing bass in
my band, and mastering our demo recordings
in the small home studio I set up in our
third home here. Also, when my dad
passed, I inherited a couple of his
handguns, and got hooked on target
shooting as a hobby too.
We sleep on opposite sides of a king-size
bed. I've given up on sex with her - to
this point, that it has become a point of
concern on her part. But I feel no
attraction to her - nothing. Me and my
hand are well-acquainted at this point.
I tell myself that I am in it so I can be
with my kids fulltime. If I stay until
theyr'e grown up and moved out, there will
be nothing left at that point - so it
seems.
It feels like we are just two bodies
living under the same roof. We don't do
very much together - other than sitting in
front of the TV or visiting her family -
or school functions, sports for the kids.
I became emotionally involved with a girl
over the last few years. We've been
physical, have never gone all the way, and
have always been safe. This relationship
came to a head this week, as I had come to
the realization that I wanted to be with
her all the time - that I'm in love with
her.
So I'm now working on backing off this
side thing - as I know it is wrong. But
it has been hard, and tearing me up
inside. Comes in waves. I've had some
very hard days, where I wonder if the high
doses of the two antidepressants I take
are doing anything at all.
My daughters are 13 1/2 and 8 now. The
older one is a lot like me... and
strangely enough, it is the traits that
she's gotten from me that really piss my
wife off. Generally, everything that
starts from the basis of being more laid
back. I'm very close with her. The
younger one is more like my wife. She
cries alot, and is very sensitive. I
think she gets some of that from me. But
I only see a little of myself in her. I
love them both very much.
On the days where I have the kids, and my
wife is at work or somewhere away, I have
a great time with them. I feel good, I
get them to help me around the house, and
let them see their friends - and do things
that my wife generally won't let them do.
For example, my younger one riding her
bike outside in front of the house - we
live on a coldesac. Or dropping off my
older one at the mall to hang out with her
friends - even though I don't physically
see them there when I drop her off. I got
them both cell phones last year.
Its ridiculous. She wants them in by
8:30pm all summer long - sometimes earlier
- even though it does not get dark until
as late as 10pm at the height. There'll
be lots of kids outside, but my wife wants
them in. I think it is stupid.
I thought that when we got to empty nest,
there would probably be nothing left
between us, and I'd leave. But with all
of the emotions I've been going through
the last few days, I wonder if maybe I
should do something sooner.
I'm so deathly afraid of having another
nervous breakdown. I fear being alone. I
fear that I will regret it and it will
tear me up if I leave.
And then there are times where we have a
laugh - on the sofa, in front of the TV.
I have got to try to get this girl out of
my head. I've talked to her too, and her
position is to stay clear, which I'm
actually very thankful for. She won't say
directly whether she has similar feelings
toward me. But I do get some hints - just
by little things. Directly, she says
she's got too much going on to be really
serious with anyone anyway.
I think I'm starting to repeat things, so
I'll stop.
I'm considering separation (and actually
have on and off for a few years now),
which would probably end up being the end.
My greatest concerns are my eight
year-old, and my mental well being.
My wife has said that if something like
that happened, it would be over for her.
Sometimes it feels like it is what I
should do. Other times, it feels like it
will be the biggest mistake I could
possibly make. That I could stay
comfortable, where I'm at indefinitely -
except for the stress she seems to have an
uncanny ability to manufacture, the "no
sex" and the occasional fits of
loneliness. I have my hobbies, and with
them, a sense of having my own life.
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jd2007
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Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 4
Posted: 11-25-07 18:15pm
I'm actually deriving a little
satisfaction from the fact that nobody
seems to want to touch this. Maybe it is
as bad a situation as I think it is after
all.
So a more direct question - Stay, and live
with the dull pain, or leave, and risk
debilitating depression brought on by the
loss?
Remember - I'm already on near-maximum
doses of two separate antidepressants.
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Maddie34
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Posted: 11-26-07 17:59pm
Sorry jd, I was going to leave this one
for the older posters on the forum since I
don't really know how to relate to this
one being that I've never been married and
the like.
The decision you make is something you'll
have to think real hard on and do what you
feel best. However, do not go into your
decision thinking you will always be in
pain. You need to make your decision with
confidence and be positive about it.
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Rosie H
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Posted: 11-26-07 18:15pm
jd2007
wrote:
I'm actually deriving a
little satisfaction from the fact that
nobody seems to want to touch this. Maybe
it is as bad a situation as I think it is
after all.
So a more direct question - Stay, and live
with the dull pain, or leave, and risk
debilitating depression brought on by the
loss?
Remember - I'm already on near-maximum
doses of two separate
antidepressants.
Either you do something about the
marriage, like counseling or you divorce.
There are only two options because from
what it sounds like your life together now
is miserable. maybe you should ask your
wife what she would like to do. It seems
like both of you have just given up all
together on companionship, friendship, and
intimacy. Of course its a lot more than
sex. Are you guys friends at all, do you
talk about your days and thoughts? If you
arent even friends now then the only thing
left is counseling or seperation.
There are great therapist out there that
have peiced together many marriages. I
think you should try that.
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jd2007
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Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 4
Posted: 11-26-07 22:11pm
Rosie H
wrote:
...Of course its a lot more
than sex. Are you guys friends at all, do
you talk about your days and thoughts?
...
Well, I walked in the door this evening to
find her yelling at our older daughter
about something, I think maybe asking her
where in the **** her high school
application forms were.
Because then she walked into the kitchen
and informed me that we really need to get
those applications filled out and turned
in. This in her typical
frost-covered-words tone of voice.
So I said, OK, lets get them done then.
Does she know where they are? And in a
somewhat disgusted and mocking tone she
replied "They're in her bedroom".
Other than that, I don't think we'll be
talking about much tonight.
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jd2007
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Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 4
Posted: 11-26-07 22:27pm
...after posting the above, I went back
downstairs to find her now yelling at our
8-year-old, that she's tired of getting
her water bottles, and she can't have
anymore. I couldn't tell whether she was
talking about driking water (the though of
which I found very distressing), or
something else.
I walk into the TV room and find the
8-year-old sitting on the sofa, crying,
tears running down her face. I ask her
what's up and where her water bottle is,
and she says "at school".
It turned out to be regarding a small
plastic bottle that apparently fits in her
lunch bag. She was asking my wife for a
new one, because the lid on the one she
has wasn't working for her.
So my wife was yelling at her that she
can't have anymore and if she's having
trouble with it she needs to ask the
teacher.
Now, my wife is on the phone speaking
cordially to another parent from the
school. While Friends blares on the TV.
Typical.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 11-26-07 22:35pm
That's a complicated situation..can't
advice. I just got married at 34 after
having many bf's and knowing exactly what
kind of man I was looking for..
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