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Abortion & Steralisation Posted: 11-26-07 18:33pm


Okay, first off I want to say I dont believe in steralisation. As a means of keeping abortion legal yet also keeping it rare, should part of the conditions of having an abortion be that the woman and father (if he has played a part in the choice) be steralised.

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Posted: 11-26-07 20:20pm


What exactly do you mean by "if he played a part in the choice" he had sex didn't he? Of course he played a part. Why don't you believe in sterilization? I don't think you can force sterilization on people regardless of their choices. It goes back to the "choice" thing that i think is so important. I don't think people should have to pay for the procedure, though. think of how many abortions that could be prevented if this procedure were allowed at no cost? Or free birth control for that matter? So my answer is no. People shouldn't be punished for accidentally becoming pregnant.

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Posted: 11-26-07 20:36pm


You don't "believe" in sterilization, but you would advocate for it? This approach is primarily focused on a condition of "punishment" for women. It has nothing to do with the sanctity of life. It has nothing to do with helping women, changing society's views, or helping children. It's even discriminatory towards the female gender. You don't seem to understand why women get abortions. I would suggest that you do some research into this before advocating a punishment condition. And yes, forced surgery is punishment. Where are the true prolife advocates on this? Meblonde, nightangel?

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Posted: 11-26-07 20:41pm


Yes, they should be sterilized. That way they can have consequence-free sex with as many different people as many times as they want.

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Posted: 11-26-07 20:46pm


Yeah baby, yeah!

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Posted: 11-26-07 22:16pm


lol! Consequence-free sex is the ultimate enemy. Abortion is just an enabler.

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Re: Abortion & Steralisation
Posted: 11-26-07 22:35pm

Gu£st wrote:

Okay, first off I want to say I dont believe in steralisation.

As a means of keeping abortion legal yet also keeping it rare, should part of the conditions of having an abortion be that the woman and father (if he has played a part in the choice) be steralised.

I like how it's a "woman" and father. How about woman and man? Or mother and father? Why is she "just a woman"?

I know, asinine detail. But NO. No one should ever be punished for an accidental pregnancy that occurs between two consenting adults. Rapists on the other hand...

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Posted: 11-26-07 22:54pm


First forced gestation now forced sterilization?? I would question your state of sobriety on this one.. wow.. forced sterilization as a punishment for abortion.. So you want to take away the choice to gestate in the future. So basically because I had an abortion you want to make sure my youngest daughter was never concieved in the first place? What about women who have had sterlization surgery and get pregnant anyway? Do you want to force them to have another surgery or just remove their uteruses so they don't 'misuse' them in the future..

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Re: Abortion & Steralisation
Posted: 11-27-07 18:35pm

Gu£st wrote:

If you punish abortion, isn't that making it illegal??

That's silly.

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Posted: 11-27-07 19:03pm


Pff, I'm done with Guest for now. He believes that consential sex between two loving adults is a mistake, especially if they get pregnant! They got pregnant on purpose didn't you know? Just the SEX was a mistake, the pregnancy isn't!!!

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Posted: 11-27-07 21:42pm


I feel badly for Catholic people. I mean the people that actually believe everything the church tells them, like guest. What a horrible way to go through life. Humans aren't the only species that have sex purely for pleasure. Many other species of animals have sex purely for pleasure. They have sex when the female is not in heat as well as when she is, for example. Sex is important for the bonding process, for keeping couples together which is obviously advantageous to their children. Also, there are health benefits to sex, like as a stress reliever, for one.

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Posted: 12-01-07 07:32am


I am still waiting for guest's reply...

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Posted: 12-01-07 19:41pm


I have a feeling hell will freeze over first, lol! JUST KIDDING!!!!!

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Posted: 12-02-07 06:42am


There are childfree women who will fight their very hardest to get a doctor to sterilize them, backing up their wishes with thorough research, and most of them get laughed right out of the office because 'they'll change their minds' and become baby-rabid (since, you know, doctors know their patients better than the patients know themselves). I would bet that, if sterilization became a mandatory follow-up to an abortion, unaltered childfree women would get pregnant left and right just to abort and get that tubal/Essure. I would contemplate intentionally getting pregnant just for the sterilization at my age if this was reality. And if BF got snipped too, that just means we'd be able to toss condoms to the wind - no complaints about that.

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Posted: 12-02-07 07:29am


To be consistent, anyone who had an accidental pregnancy, whether they carried to term or not, could be sterilised. Men especially -- one accidental kid, and that's it, you're done. A little more chlorine in the gene pool, please.

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Posted: 12-03-07 07:49am


Sterilisation should only be chosen when people are sure it is right for them - forced sterilisation is a stupid idea, Nazi Germany anyone???!

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Posted: 12-03-07 12:09pm

poopoopoo wrote:

To be consistent, anyone who had an accidental pregnancy, whether they carried to term or not, could be sterilised. Men especially -- one accidental kid, and that's it, you're done. A little more chlorine in the gene pool, please.

How about any men behind in their child support payments?

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Posted: 12-04-07 05:27am


What I can never understand is how any woman would be stupid enough to reproduce with someone who already has a kid he's not interested in and not paying the rent for.

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Posted: 12-06-07 13:55pm


Good question.

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Posted: 12-06-07 14:01pm


I would not support a policy that sterilized men or women against their will. I think it's disgusting and morally reprehensible.