Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 127 Location: Chicago, IL USA
Posted: 12-07-07 16:37pm
You have very valid points. However,
doesn't really change my stance. When
you're in a family, you're all in it
together. You may have made a choice to
not have any more children, but you still
have an obligation to build the best life
possible for your child. And if it makes
you uncomfortable...well...life happens.
If they can't afford a baby, they can't
afford a baby. There is adoption and
abortion. I never argued otherwise. These
decisions do need to be made as a family,
and no one side should get unilateral
control over something so important and
life changing.
Like I said, I don't think everything will
magically become sweetness and bunnies and
sunny skies. But there are a lot of
prospective grandparents out there who
have the ability and the means, but simply
"don't want to". There are a lot of
eventualities, and a lot of them DO fall
on the teen - so don't think I'm saying
all the responsibility falls on the
parents. That's just the direction of the
conversation and it's such a wide reaching
topic that all aspects can't be covered in
a single discussion.
Parents and society could do a lot to make
the teen mom statistics much less dire.
That's it. That's all I was saying.
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Altari
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Posted: 12-07-07 16:43pm
futureshock
wrote:
I think the difference is, I
still consider after the beginning of the
pregnancy and before the decision to keep
it as "before" the
fact.
How pregnant is she, though? This is
another one of those unknowns. I told my
parents very very early on, because I knew
that I would need that time to come to
grips with the entire situations and make
a decision. When I had the positive stick,
I was 5 weeks pregnant. I think I told my
parents at 7 or 8 weeks, maybe earlier, I
don't remember anymore. But I told myself
I needed to have the time to make up my
mind, consider options and start getting
to the OB ASAP if I was going to keep the
pregnancy.
But, you know as well as I do from
previous discussions, that doesn't usually
happen. Many girls panic, or don't realize
they're pregnant. By the time it comes to
light, there's little time for parents to
do emotional damage control and keep all
the options intact.
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Ingi
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Posted: 12-07-07 16:43pm
The statistics for Teen Moms ARE dire.
Short of having the grandparent raise and
support the new child - it is going to be
a very dire situation. Statistically women
who have children as teenagers end up
living in poverty! Those children live in
poverty and then those children go on to
have kids as teenagers.
That should be very scary! It isn't enough
to scare these girls though. They think it
will be different for them. And, while it
will be different for some, it WILL
NOT be different for the vast majority
(hence statistics).
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Altari
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Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 127 Location: Chicago, IL USA
Posted: 12-07-07 16:47pm
OK, missing my point. I never said they
weren't dire, I said they didn't have to
be AS dire as they are. I also never once
said teen parenthood was a GOOD thing. I'm
saying that there are better ways of
dealing with it when it happens than how
our society is currently doing so.
As I said before, for every 1 of my
family, there are 49 who fail. There are
things that could be done to make the
outcome much less dismal. Sometimes I
think people don't WANT to make the
outcome better. It will give them less to
throw in the face of girls who are
considering purposely having children.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 12-07-07 18:55pm
Altari
wrote:
futureshock
wrote:
I think the difference is, I
still consider after the beginning of the
pregnancy and before the decision to keep
it as "before" the
fact.
How pregnant is she, though? This is
another one of those unknowns. I told my
parents very very early on, because I knew
that I would need that time to come to
grips with the entire situations and make
a decision. When I had the positive stick,
I was 5 weeks pregnant. I think I told my
parents at 7 or 8 weeks, maybe earlier, I
don't remember anymore. But I told myself
I needed to have the time to make up my
mind, consider options and start getting
to the OB ASAP if I was going to keep the
pregnancy.
But, you know as well as I do from
previous discussions, that doesn't usually
happen. Many girls panic, or don't realize
they're pregnant. By the time it comes to
light, there's little time for parents to
do emotional damage control and keep all
the options
intact.
I can only hope I will have raised my
daughter with enough openness that she
would come to me immediately or as soon as
possible, if something like this happened.
I get my recent attitude about this
subject from reading this board. It is
the teens who have planned their
pregnancies and the ones who weren't using
contraception purposefully because they
wouldn't "mind" getting pregnant that have
effected me. They are the ones I have
the least patience with.
The second group are the teens that may
have gotten pregnant accidentally, but
don't abort because they think having a
baby at 15 will be "cool", or that their
boyfriends will marry them, or any other
ridiculous reason. I have no patience
for them either, but they aren't as
culpable as the first group.
The third group, ones that get pregnant by
accident but for some reason not of their
control, they couldn't abort, I would
have a lot more sympathy for, and be much
more inclined to help them in any way i
could.
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livinglifefully
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I've Been In Your Shoes And I Made It! Posted: 12-09-07 12:43pm
Hi there,
I want you to know that I am now 30 years
old and I got pregnant my sophmore year in
college. My boyfriend of 2 years and I
found out we were pregnant in September
and we married during Christmas break. I
transferred colleges and enrolled in the
college he was attending. He went right
back to school and he worked part-time. I
sat out one whole year, until my baby
turned 6 months. She turned 6 months and I
went to school full-time and I actually
finished a semester before my hsuband. I
took 18 hours and never took a semester
off. We did have support from my in-laws,
they paid for our health insurance after
we had our baby. We had to get government
assistance, but hey that is what it took
and I was appreciative of what we got. My
husband and I planned out our schedule so
that when I was in class, he would be with
our baby, and vice versa. You can do it
and things can work out, I promise. Do not
think that your life is over or that you
cannot achieve your dreams. You have only
taken a detour, but you can still reach
your destination! Please contact me if you
want to ask some more questions. I would
be happy to offer you some help. I am
working on a site now that will give step
by step guide to pregnant teens on what to
do after they find out they are pregnant.
I am proud of you for having your baby and
wanting to still fulfill your dreams. God
took care of my husband, baby, and me and
I thank Him everyday. I can tell you of
ways to get your college paid, without
money out of your pocket. I want you to
know that my husband and I will be married
10 years right after Christmas, we now
have 3 beautiful children, and we are very
happy. Please contact me, anyone can if
you would like help. I have been there. I
have been in your shoes.
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livinglifefully
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Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Location: ,
Posted: 12-09-07 13:03pm
I wanted to make it clear that my in-laws
did not pay for our living expenses, we
did that. They paid for our health
insurance.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 12-09-07 13:07pm
Wow, that is quite an accomplishment.
What about your parents? Did they at
least pay for your tuition?
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livinglifefully
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Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Location: ,
Posted: 12-09-07 13:23pm
Yes, it was an accomplishment and my
husband and I worked extremely hard and we
never gave up. Was it always a bed of
roses, of course not. But, we did it. No,
my parents did not pay for my tuition once
I got married. Nor, did my husband's
parents pay for his tuition. There are so
many programs available for teens who are
pregnant. We both went to college, both
graduated, and we did not have any loans
or money out of pocket. Of course, this
help may only apply for those girls ages
18 and over.
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Ingi
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Posted: 12-09-07 13:28pm
livinglifefully
wrote:
Yes, it was an
accomplishment and my husband and I worked
extremely hard and we never gave up. Was
it always a bed of roses, of course not.
But, we did it. No, my parents did not pay
for my tuition once I got married. Nor,
did my husband's parents pay for his
tuition. There are so many programs
available for teens who are pregnant. We
both went to college, both graduated, and
we did not have any loans or money out of
pocket. Of course, this help may only
apply for those girls ages 18 and
over.
Would you wish that life on these girls
who are trying to become pregnant though?
I mean, wouldn't it be easier to
first get the college education and then
have children? (I already know the answer
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livinglifefully
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Posted: 12-09-07 13:29pm
We both graduated college at the age of
23. It was a remarkable feeling to have
my parents see me walk across that stage,
even after they told me I would never make
it, that I would be divorced, and that I
would be living back with them. I did not
have support from my family, but I had
tremendous love and emotional support from
my in-laws. The love and support makes
such a difference. We were determined to
prove everyone wrong and to beat the odds.
My husband now works for a large
pharmaceutical company and I am able to
stay home with my children. My dad ended
apologizing to me after I graduated
college. Now, we use our story to help
others and people are amazed at what we
accomplished.
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livinglifefully
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Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Location: ,
Posted: 12-09-07 13:36pm
I did not try to become pregnant. I had a
lapse in judgment and my mom wasn't very
open to me about sex. My husband and I
were both virgins also and believed in
waiting for marriage. That obviously did
not happen.
But, yes, girls should wait till they get
an education before they decide to have a
child. It is much more difficult to be in
school, married, and have a baby. It will
be a harder road, but nonetheless, a road
that an be traveled if given the proper
guidance and direction. I do not recommend
any girl "trying" to get pregnant before
they are out of college. But, so many
times girls become pregnant without
"trying" and they are faced with what to
do with their life. Girls need direction
and hope.
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Posted: 12-09-07 13:41pm
livinglifefully, how much of this board
have you read? How many threads? I,
personally, was completely stunned by how
many teens, and I mean 13 yrs. old and up,
who are actively TRYING to get pregnant.
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Ingi
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Posted: 12-09-07 13:46pm
futureshock
wrote:
livinglifefully, how much of
this board have you read? How many
threads? I, personally, was completely
stunned by how many teens, and I mean 13
yrs. old and up, who are actively TRYING
to get
pregnant.
True dat! With the amount of support teens
get to actively PREVENT pregnancy, it
shocks me to no end how they amazingly
wind up pregnant - then say that is was an
'accident' but they are SO HAPPY it
happened!
Really? Happy? Because that is the hard
road. The easier road would be to wait.
But who am I to say? I'm just a hypocrit,
right?
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livinglifefully
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Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Location: ,
Posted: 12-09-07 13:56pm
I have seen some of those threads. It is
sad. They are 13! What 13 year olds are
emotionally mature enough to understand
their situation?
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