Good one, mi ami. I just watched the
fourth Pirates yesterday and fell asleep.
Not a real Jack Squiddly recommendation
for a franchise dragged out until every
cent in our pockets is gone.
Oh, well, Johnny Depp gets rich, Disney
gets rich and the country's collective IQ
goes down a couple of points.
Not much to do with mental health and I
agree with your question about the
mother's choice in all this. Did she want
an abortion and just couldn't afford it?
Or........? And I never pray, so I guess
I'm stuck with my mental condition, which
we needn't discuss
here.
I really dug the bizarre scene of multiple
Johnny Depps, and not just b/c I like Mr.
Depp, but because I thought it was just
really...well, bizarre and out of 'style'
for the flick. I thought there was LSD
sprinkled in my popcorn. That's kinda how
I felt when I watched "The Fountain" but I
digress...
Eiri
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I'm sorry, I didn't get
that. I read "love, attention...whack
upside the head... therapy" and thought
that other folks who read the forums might
not really know much about mental illness
(based on what I've seen in the mental
health boards) and I wanted to say some
stuff about
it.
I didn't want to include medication and
have people think I feel that medication
is the answer to everything because I
don't. It's a hard line to
walk.
I agree, except in regards to mental
illness. Unfortunately, right now the
best intervention for severe mental
illness is medication.
sillyakchick
wrote:
OK for the sake of the
situation posted above, had the state been
willing to give her an abortion she would
have had one.
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
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sociable_recluse
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 88 Location: , UK
Posted: 12-12-07 06:20am
Eiri
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
What did the mother want,
though? Why is that being overlooked?
The scenario only reads that she could not
afford abortion, not that she wanted an
abortion. It's a small point, probably
just a semantic one, but in my book a
biggie.
I personally read between the lines that
she would have gotten one if she could
have afforded
one.
My take on it is that if she didn't want
an abortion then why was her lack of funds
for one mentioned? If you don't want an
abortion then you're not going to care if
you can afford one or not.
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Birch
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Posted: 12-12-07 10:25am
I would never assume anything if I was
working with such a client in such a
situation.
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yodavater
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 12-12-07 15:29pm
Eiri
wrote:
No one should have to suffer like that
baby does.
Human suffering is an awful thing, isn't
it?
Of course, there are a lot of babies
already born into "miserable" lives, so
wouldn't the compassionate thing
(disregarding legality) be to kill all of
them? Like the baby in the story,
wouldn't that be the "compassionate" thing
to do?
After all, if it is compassionate to kill
someone who might live a terrible life
someday in the future, surely it is even
more compassionate to kill someone who is
living a terrible life right now, right?
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diamond splinter
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 611 Location: ,
Posted: 12-12-07 15:36pm
So do you advocate euthanasia then?
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yodavater
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 12-12-07 15:48pm
diamond splinter
wrote:
So do you advocate
euthanasia
then?
No, not really. I think both elective
abortion and involuntary euthanasia are
morally wrong, I was just using that
example to make a point.
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diamond splinter
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 611 Location: ,
Posted: 12-12-07 15:49pm
what about voluntary euthanasia what are
your veiws on that?
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yodavater
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 12-12-07 16:22pm
diamond splinter
wrote:
what about voluntary
euthanasia what are your veiws on
that?
Well, as an agnostic I have no objections
to someone ending their own life to put an
end to extreme pain and suffering, when
there is no reasonable hope of any other
relief. But I really don't like the idea
of someone else "pulling the plug".
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diamond splinter
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 611 Location: ,
Posted: 12-12-07 16:26pm
then you are in fact anti abortion not pro
life the premature taking of life is
wrongand not very pro life all life is
sacred not just the unborn
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Tylanas
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Posted: 12-12-07 23:42pm
yodavater
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
No one should have to suffer like that
baby does.
Human suffering is an awful thing, isn't
it?
Of course, there are a lot of babies
already born into "miserable" lives, so
wouldn't the compassionate thing
(disregarding legality) be to kill all of
them? Like the baby in the story,
wouldn't that be the "compassionate" thing
to do?
After all, if it is compassionate to kill
someone who might live a terrible life
someday in the future, surely it is even
more compassionate to kill someone who is
living a terrible life right now,
right?
I'd prefer it happen with abortion
actually, I do not approve normally of
killing born people.
Can you guess what I'd rather see above
even that? I'd love to have seen that
woman having access to free birth control,
thus preventing the pregnancy, the
abortion she wanted but couldn't afford,
and the suffering of the child once it is
born.
But you'd just rather make abortion
illegal. An ounce of prevention is worth a
pound of cure, but the cure is so much
more dramatic!!! Baby slaughter!!
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yodavater
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 12-13-07 16:20pm
diamond splinter
wrote:
then you are in fact anti
abortion not pro life the premature taking
of life is wrongand not very pro life all
life is sacred not just the
unborn
Well vespa711, as you call yourself on
PLA, you can take your made up definition
of prolife and file it in the round file.
Here's what the term means, for all the
literate posters here:
pro-life adjective supporting the
belief that it is immoral for a pregnant
woman to have the freedom to choose to
have an abortion (= an operation to end a
pregnancy) if she does not want to have a
baby http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi
ne.asp?key=prolife*1+0&dict=A
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yodavater
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 12-13-07 16:25pm
Eiri
wrote:
I'd prefer it happen with abortion
actually, I do not approve normally of
killing born people.
"It"? What is "it"? You mean killing
humans? You dodged the question, you
know..... if abortion is "compassionate"
because the baby "might" live a miserable
life, why isn't it more compassionate to
kill those kids who ARE living a miserable
life right now?
Eiri
wrote:
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of
cure, but the cure is so much more
dramatic!!! Baby
slaughter!!
What? You want to blame me for the
slaughter of unborn babies? That's kind
of like blaming Carry Nation for the curse
of alcohol.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 12-14-07 01:16am
I WOULD PREFER THE LIKKLE ITTY BITTY
somewhat developed innocent tiny "baby" to
be torn to shreds by a suction abortion
betwen the weeks of 6-12 weeks (when 90%
of all abortions take place) before the
wittle bitty "baby" can feel pain, INSTEAD
OF A BORN CHILD being killed. I think most
sane people would prefer that.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 12-14-07 01:19am
And yes, I AM blaming you for the deaths
of the unborn. You should spend your time
and money promoting free birth control AND
proper birth control education.
Instead of trying and often failing to
save people from fatal car crashes, why
not just invent the seatbelt? It decreased
auto accidents incredibly.
Instead of crying because your child has
brain damage, why not stop drinking
alcohol during pregnancy?
Instead of scraping your child's skull off
the pavement, why not make them wear a
helmet when they go biking?
Prevention. Do it.
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diamond splinter
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 611 Location: ,
Posted: 12-14-07 07:16am
yodavater
wrote:
diamond splinter
wrote:
then you are in fact anti
abortion not pro life the premature taking
of life is wrongand not very pro life all
life is sacred not just the
unborn
Well vespa711, as you call yourself on
PLA, you can take your made up definition
of prolife and file it in the round file.
Here's what the term means, for all the
literate posters here:
pro-life adjective supporting the
belief that it is immoral for a pregnant
woman to have the freedom to choose to
have an abortion (= an operation to end a
pregnancy) if she does not want to have a
baby http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi
ne.asp?key=prolife*1+0&dict=A
Once a fool always a fool it is not my
definition of pro life it is the meaning
and the actions behind pro life not the
meaning behind anti abortion terrorists
that go around blowing up abortion clinics
under the guise of pro life people like
you make me sick you say you are pro life
because the dictionary states pro life
oppose abortion yet you won't take your
head out of the sand long enough to find
out the real meaning of what the stance
you attempt to take actualy entails.
what user name i use on other forums is
irrelivant here although i make no secret
of the fact i have diffrent names for
different boards my method of posting
doesn't alter there are reasons that
regular users will understand why i change
username on different board(pcforme ring
any bells mods?)
Just for you pro choicers heres a laugh
this fool actually classes me as a pro
abort now isn't that just the funniest yet
scariest thing you have heard on here
rofl?
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Jincks013
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Posted: 12-14-07 08:34am
I have to agree you being classed as "pro
abortion' is simply ridiculous Diamond.
We've banged horns to many times over your
'pro abortion' stance.. lol..I now wonder
though.. if you are pro-aboriton what does
that make me??
Yoda..since you cannot be civil here
anymore then you can on PLA I am reporting
every post that refers to pro-choice as
pro-abortion..
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Birch
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Posted: 12-14-07 11:33am
Jincks013
wrote:
I have to agree you being
classed as "pro abortion' is simply
ridiculous Diamond. We've banged horns to
many times over your 'pro abortion'
stance.. lol..I now wonder though.. if you
are pro-aboriton what does that make me??
A rabid baby killer.
Jincks013
wrote:
Yoda..since you cannot be civil here
anymore then you can on PLA I am reporting
every post that refers to pro-choice as
pro-abortion..
For me, it's the blatant dishonesty versus
civility. Yodavater could attach labels
to me all day, but when it comes down to
it, if he's dishonest his words hold no
salt regardless of what he was claiming.
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n2r7moopad
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 30
Posted: 12-14-07 11:41am
this baby deserves to live just like
anyother person. It's not perfect so what
no body is! It will have to go through
some struggles which is part of LIFE.
There are people who do adopt children
with special needs. As mentioned in the OP
this child may have mental problems exc.
this child may also NOT have mental
problems. One can not abort on the fact
that "maybe" something will be wrong with
it. And ya know so what there are
thousands of kids with ADD or mental
retardation but does that make it ok to
end their lifes?
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yodavater
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 12-14-07 12:42pm
Eiri
wrote:
I WOULD PREFER THE LIKKLE
ITTY BITTY somewhat developed innocent
tiny "baby" to be torn to shreds by a
suction abortion betwen the weeks of 6-12
weeks (when 90% of all abortions take
place) before the wittle bitty "baby" can
feel pain, INSTEAD OF A BORN CHILD being
killed. I think most sane people would
prefer that.
No doubt you would, but you still dodged
my point.
Since no one can reliably predict the
future of an unborn child, isn't it "more
compassionate" to kill a born child that
is ALREADY living a "miserable life"?
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yodavater
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 12-14-07 12:47pm
Eiri
wrote:
And yes, I AM blaming you
for the deaths of the unborn. You should
spend your time and money promoting free
birth control AND proper birth control
education..
Lots of people have an opinion about "how
I should spend my time and money", but
fortunately none of them have any
authority.
I follow my conscience, and I hope others
will do the same.
“Morality cannot be legislated, but
behavior can be regulated. Judicial
decrees may not change the heart, but they
can restrain the heartless”.
-Dr. Martin Luther King
