Violence In the Name of Allah Posted: 12-12-07 11:45am
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Dad Allegedly
Kills Girl Over Head Scarf
By Jonathan Spicer,Reuters
TORONTO (Dec. 11) - A Canadian teenager
who was said to have clashed with her
father about whether she should wear a
traditional Muslim head scarf died of
injuries late on Monday, and her father
told police he had killed her.
Aqsa Parvez, 16, was found without a pulse
in her home in the Toronto suburb of
Mississauga earlier on Monday. She was
resuscitated by paramedics, treated at two
hospitals, and later succumbed to her
injuries, police said on Tuesday.
Her father, 57-year-old Muhammad Parvez,
has been charged with homicide and was
remanded back into custody after his first
court appearance early on Tuesday.
"There was a 911 call placed by a man who
indicated that he had just killed his
daughter," Jodi Dawson, a constable with
Peel Regional Police, told Reuters.
"Everything else is evidentiary in nature
and the investigation is in its
preliminary stages at this point."
The victim's brother, Waqas Parvez, 26,
was arrested and charged with obstructing
police.
The story was on the front pages of
Canadian newspapers on Tuesday. The
newspapers quoted friends and schoolmates
of the victim as saying she argued with
her father over wearing a hijab, the
traditional head scarf worn by Muslim
females.
Photos of the teen retrieved from a social
networking Web site show her in Western
dress with her long dark hair loose.
"She was always scared of her dad, she was
always scared of her brother," the Toronto
Star quoted a classmate as saying.
Others were quoted as saying the girl wore
traditional Muslim dress when leaving the
house in the morning, but would change
into other clothes in school washrooms.
Dawson said investigators will likely
speak to the victim's schoolmates. The
father will return for a bail hearing on
Wednesday.
"Treat your women well and be kind to them
for they are your partners and committed
helpers."
From the last sermon of Prophet Mohammed
Here is an insane article written to
defend Islam in regards to women. I post
it in full because I have highlighted some
sections I find particularily ticklish.
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Islam, Culture
and Women
by Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood
How can anyone justify Islam's treatment
of women, when it imprisons Afghans under
blue shuttlecock burqas and makes
Pakistani girls marry strangers against
their will?
How can you respect a religion that forces
women into polygamous marriages, mutilates
their genitals, forbids them to drive cars
and subjects them to the humiliation of
"instant" divorce? In fact, none of these
practices are Islamic at all.
Anyone wishing to understand Islam must
first separate the religion from the
cultural norms and style of a society.
Female genital mutilation is still
practised in certain pockets of Africa and
Egypt, but viewed as an inconceivable
horror by the vast majority of Muslims.
Forced marriages may still take place in
certain Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi
communities, but would be anathema to
Muslim women from other backgrounds.
Indeed, Islam insists on the free consent
of both bride and groom, so such marriages
could even be deemed illegal under
religious law.
A woman forbidden from driving a car in
Riyadh will cheerfully take the wheel when
abroad, confident that her country's
bizarre law has nothing to do with Islam.
Afghan women educated before the Taliban
rule know that banning girls from school
is forbidden in Islam, which encourages
all Muslims to seek knowledge from cradle
to grave, from every source possible.
The Koran is addressed to all Muslims, and
for the most part it does not
differentiate between male and female. Man
and woman, it says, "were created of a
single soul," and are moral equals in the
sight of God. Women have the right to
divorce, to inherit property, to conduct
business and to have access to knowledge.
Since women are under all the same
obligations and rules of conduct as the
men, differences emerge most strongly when
it comes to pregnancy, child-bearing and
rearing, menstruation and, to a certain
extent, clothing.
Some of the commands are alien to Western
tradition. Requirements of ritual purity
may seem to restrict a woman's access to
religious life, but are viewed as
concessions. During menstruation or postpartum
bleeding, she may not pray the ritual
salah or touch the Koran and she does not
have to fast; nor does she need to fast
while pregnant or nursing. (Notice he
doesn't say why...)
The veiling of Muslim women is a more
complex issue. Certainly, the Koran
requires them to behave and dress modestly
- but these strictures apply equally to
men. Only one verse refers to the veiling
of women, stating that the Prophet's wives
should be behind a hijab when his male
guests converse with them.
Some modernists, however, claim that this
does not apply to women in general, and
that the language used does not carry the
textual stipulation that makes a verse
obligatory. In practice, most modern Muslim
women appreciate attractive and graceful
clothes, but avoid dressing provocatively.
(Cute.)
What about polygamy, which the Koran
endorses up to the limit of four wives per
man? The Prophet, of course, lived at a
time when continual warfare produced large
numbers of widows, who were left with
little or no provision for themselves and
their children.
In these circumstances, polygamy was
encouraged as an act of charity. Needless
to say, the widows were not necessarily
sexy young women, but usually mothers of
up to six children, who came as part of
the deal.
Polygamy is no longer common, for various
good reasons. The Koran states that wives
need to be treated fairly and equally - a
difficult requirement even for a rich man.
Moreover,
if a husband wishes to take a second wife,
he should not do so if the marriage will
be to the detriment of the first. (Isn't
that nice of him?)
Sexual intimacy outside marriage is
forbidden in Islam, including sex before
marriage, adultery or homosexual
relationships (Those evil gays!).
However, within marriage, sexual intimacy
should be raised from the animal level to
sadaqah (a form of worship) so that each
considers the happiness and satisfaction
of the other, rather than mere
self-gratification.
Contrary to Christianity, Islam does not
regard marriages as "made in heaven" or
"till death do us part". They are
contracts, with conditions.(so much for
love?) If either side breaks the
conditions, divorce is not only allowed,
but usually expected. Nevertheless, a
hadith makes it clear that: "Of all the
things God has allowed, divorce is the
most disliked."
A Muslim has a genuine reason for divorce
only if a spouse's behaviour goes against
the sunnah of Islam - in other words, if
he or she has become cruel, vindictive,
abusive, unfaithful, neglectful, selfish,
sexually abusive, tyrannical, perverted -
and so on. (I guess unfaithful doesn't
mean anything if you have justified having
multiple wives?)
In good Islamic practice, before divorce
can be contemplated, all possible efforts
should be made to solve a couple's
problems. After an intention to divorce is
announced, there is a three-month period
during which more attempts are made at
reconciliation.
If, by the
end of each month, the couple have resumed
sexual intimacy, the divorce should not
proceed. The three-month rule ensures that
a woman cannot remarry until three
menstrual cycles have passed - so, if she
happens to be pregnant, the child will be
supported and paternity will not be in
dispute. (And if she is pregnant and wants
a divorce, tough tomatoes.)
When
Muslims die, strict laws govern the shares
of property and money they may leave to
others; daughters usually inherit less
than sons, but this is because the men in
a family are supposed to provide for the
entire household. (And why is
that?)
Any money or property owned by women is
theirs to keep, and they are not obliged
to share it. Similarly, in marriage, a
woman's salary is hers and cannot be
appropriated by her husband unless she
consents.
A good Muslim woman, for her part, should
always be trustworthy and kind. She should
strive to be cheerful and encouraging
towards her husband and family, and keep
their home free from anything harmful
(haram covers all aspects of harm,
including bad behaviour, abuse and
forbidden foods).
Regardless of her skills or intelligence,
she is expected to accept her man as the
head of her household - she must,
therefore, take care to marry a man she
can respect, and whose wishes she can
carry out with a clear conscience.
However, when a man expects his wife to do
anything contrary to the will of God - in
other words, any nasty, selfish, dishonest
or cruel action - she has the right to
refuse him.
Her husband is not her master; a Muslim
woman has only one Master, and that is
God. If
her husband does not represent God's will
in the home (oh, criminy), the
marriage contract is broken.
What
should one make of the verse in the Koran
that allows a man to punish his wife
physically? There are important provisos:
he may do so only if her ill-will is
wrecking the marriage - but then only
after he has exhausted all attempts at
verbal communication and tried sleeping in
a separate bed. (Did I just read
justification for physically beating an
adult woman??)
However, the
Prophet never hit a woman, child or
old person, and was emphatic that those
who did could hardly regard themselves as
the best of Muslims. Moreover, he also
stated that a man should never hit "one of
God's handmaidens". Nor, it must be said,
should wives beat their husbands or become
inveterate nags.
(How...what...who...*sputters*...)
Finally,
there is the issue of giving witness.
Although the Koran says nothing explicit,
other Islamic sources suggest that a
woman's testimony in court is worth only
half of that of a man. This ruling,
however, should be applied only in
circumstances where a woman is uneducated
and has led a very restricted life: a
woman equally qualified to a man will
carry the same weight as a witness. (I
just don't even know what to say about
that.)
So, does
Islam oppress women? (!!!!!!!!)
While the spirit of Islam is clearly
patriarchal, it regards men and women as
moral equals. Moreover, although a man is
technically the head of the household,
Islam encourages matriarchy in the home.
Women may
not be equal in the manner defined by
Western feminists, but their core
differences from men are acknowledged, and
they have rights of their own that do not
apply to men.(Women are not equal in the
manner defined by anyone, and this article
did not mention one "right" of their own
that does not apply to men, unless it's he
right to be
beaten?)
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Posted: 12-12-07 13:44pm
It's sadly ironic how someone so dedicated
to Allah can kill his own daughter because
she doesn't adhere to the book that was
supposedly written on his behalf by
Mohammad.
I was reading the Toronto Star yesterday,
and there was a huge section dedicated to
women and hijabs. In western countries,
there are big debates in muslim families.
Some parents force their daughters to wear
them, some parents don't care, and others
force their daughters to NOT wear them to
avoid any sort of racism or unfair
classifications.
I agree, many aspects of Islam are
ridiculous. I have faith, though, that it
will change. There are many, many muslims
who do not believe any of what you just
copied, Birch (though I'm sure you're very
aware of that).
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Posted: 12-12-07 13:46pm
Furthermore, though I'm not a woman, I can
see how many women find the hijab
liberating. Again, in the Toronto Star,
there was a feature about a woman who wore
a hijab (that covered her face as well)
despite her family's objections (though
they weren't objected enough to hurt/kill
her). She said it's liberating to be
noticed for her words and her actions
rather than her appearance. I can
appreciate that. As long as she does it
based on her own convictions, not anyone
else's.
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Posted: 12-12-07 14:26pm
I don't know what to think. Obviously to
kill your own child over a headscarf is
pretty awful and extreme. On the other
hand, I think Islam is just another
religion out there like Christianity,
Judaism, etc that I do not fully
understand. There seem to be strange
contradictions in so many religions.
Especialy when it involves the equality of
women issue. I'm sorta a bugger for that.
It's hard to make heads or tails of it
all. this is what i think. Long ago,
only men were educated to read and write.
I believe history and religious doctrine
were written primarily by men in a time
were gender equality was so foreign, and
thus we have these horrific instances of
gender inequality. Why wouldn't a man
slip in a little part here and there about
his wife always obeying him and adoring
him, etc. I wonder what would have
happened if women were the ones who had
sat down to write out the rules for
morality.
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Posted: 12-13-07 01:55am
Just for a little taste of how women wrote
history, you should check out the Gospel
of Mary Magdalene. It's TOTALLY different
than the four Gospels we find in the
Bible. It also deals with how women were
treated by patriarchal society at the
time. How Jesus is depicted blows my mind.
In a good way, actually.
Anyways, I'm running off topic.
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Posted: 12-13-07 15:29pm
Or Pistis Sophia- Sophia (wisdom) being
the feminine counterpart of God. All these
things so conveniently left out.
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Posted: 12-13-07 15:32pm
I am torn though... I don't think it's
fair to point out the violence in the name
of Allah and not give equal attention to
the violence in the name of God. You can
also find passages in the bible that
inhibit menstruating women from
participating in ritual among other
things.
There are Islamic extremeists, there are
Christian extremeists. Even if you were
raised with a particular belief, the
responsiblity falls to the individual to
interpret that belief and use it
responsibly. Most muslims are able to do
this, most christians are able to do this.
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Posted: 12-13-07 17:53pm
The first article I posted is on a violent
incident and may be an "extremist" view,
however the second is not an extremist
viewpoint but look ---> it justifies
violence.
Plus, I didn't want our Catholic friends
to think they were being exclusively
picked on when there is plenty of violence
going around for everyone.