For the past two years, i've been sick on
and off with strange symptoms. It started
out with waking up one day as if I had
taken some strong decongestant or
antihistamine. I felt kind of foggy
headed or slightly drunk. My mind just
wouldn't clear. Soon I felt weak all
over. Days later I could hardly walk. I
could only stand for about five minutes;
then i'd have to sit down and rest. I got
very light sensitive. And would actually
feel weaker in a bright, sunny place.
This all hit me in the summer, and the
time of day I would feel best was at night
or if during the day, in our basement. I
had trouble emptying my bladder, weak
voice, trouble swallowing, and numbness in
my arms, fingertips, and some of my toes.
A neurologist diagnosed me as having
transverse myelitis. He put me on strong
steroids. An mri showed some "spots" on
my brain. Spinal taps were all normal.
Ana taken from spinal fluid also normal.
Well, I was sure I was headed down the
path to multiple sclerosis. But the
neurologist said the spots weren't in the
place they should be for ms. A year
passed and I slowly healed. I could walk
long periods and even run again (i never
thought I would).
I've had repeat mris of the brain. Each
time, the spots are there and the mri
techs say they look like "vasculitis" and
the neurologist says, "ms would be the
last thing he'd think it is." a few times
per year, i'll have one of these flares
where my symptoms return (but never as bad
as that first time). Still enough so that
i'm pretty tired. A few times they've
been bad enough where I get a fever and
body aches, also headaches. But that
usually passes after a couple of days.
Sometimes my eyes bother me a great deal.
They just hurt and I see lightning flashes
every day. I've seen an opthalmologist
who says he can't see anything wrong.
I also have strange irregular heartbeats.
My cardiologist said, "pvcs" and nothing
to worry about. Unknown cause.
Now, my earlier history: preeclampsia with
two out of three pregnancies. Sensitivity
to the sun (i break out in a rash that
usually clears up after I get out of the
sun.) though, if that body part is
repeatedly exposed (like my arm that's on
the driver's window side) the rash stays
and kind of itches and is bumpy.
The neurologist is trying to get at the
bottom of the brain spots. He did some
tests including one that detects
inflammation and a rheumatoid factor.
Both came back positive. Wouldn't all
this be enough to point at sle? And yet I
still don't have a diagnosis.
What do you think?
Tallwoman
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LadyBrannon
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 506 Location: TX
Posted: 04-19-04 01:02am
Welcome tallwoman! I am ladybrannon!
I read your post! Wow! You've been
dealing with a lot. And, I hope that you
can find a bit of peace here...There are
some great people here.
You do have some of the lupus
symptoms...But remember a lot of
autoimmune diseases mimic each other.
Have you ever specifically asked to be
tested for lupus...Granted there is not
*one* test for it, but there are some
tests they can run to help with a
diagnosis.
I can give you a list if you are
interested...
Hugs and welcome!
Ladybrannon
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Tallwoman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Location: US
Thanks For Your Warm Welcome, Lady Posted: 04-19-04 05:14am
I have asked about lupus to every
neurologist i've seen. There have been
four. One transferred out of my town, the
other saw patients in consultation only,
and the third left the practice. My
latest one seems to be listening. He's
the one who did the inflammation test and
the rheumatoid factor test. He requested
so many tests that the lab tech who had to
draw the six vials of blood teased me
with, "what'd you do? Hit your doctor? I
don't think your doctor likes you."
after the first test came back (the one
that tests inflammation) the office nurse
called me and told me that the high normal
was 20, and my number was 29. She then
said the doctor wanted me to have an
angiogram of the brain. She also told me
my rheumatoid factor was positive. I had
the angiogram of the brain, and the office
nurse left me a message saying that was
normal and I could see the doctor in three
to four months. I called back and had to
leave a message as well which asked what
about the blood tests and what did they
point to?
Sometimes my head is so groggy that I can
hardly function. Other times I deal with
the weakness in my legs and arms. And
most of the time I am just so tired. I
can get up in the morning and want to go
back to sleep an hour later. If I had
nothing to do, I could probably just sleep
all day.
Well, thanks for listening. It's so
frustrating. I just want to be as
functional as I used to be. It seems
because doctors can't fit you into a firm
diagnosis, they won't try to do anything
for the symptoms you have. And mine are
so fleeting. A couple of times i've had
blood in my urine, but when they retest,
it's back to normal again. One day my
lower back will ache. Another day it's my
neck. Still another time it's my hips.
But the pain is not constant, for which
i'm grateful. But to be this tired is
pretty debilitating too.
Again, thanks for your support.
Tallwoman
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Tallwoman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Location: US
the Tests... Posted: 04-19-04 22:40pm
Ladybrannon, I forgot to ask you to list
those tests for me. And would you know
what the normal values for each are?
Thanks!
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LadyBrannon
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 506 Location: TX
Posted: 04-20-04 02:48am
I would be glad to help you!
i think this might be easier to make a
list...Please don't think I am being
unfriendly...Just easier for you and me to
keep tabs!
1) keep a diary! This will be a huge help
for you and your doctors. Write down
everything. At first, I will warn you,
you will fill like a hypochondriac...Don't
let it get to you! take your
temperature twice a day...Lots of lupus
patients run long term-low grade fevers.
Add muscle or joint aches...Be very
specific. Add headaches...Be specific
with location and type of pain...Was it
pounding or achy? You get the idea.
2) find out what tests they have already
run...This is very important. Call your
doctor and request a copy of your tests.
If you live in the us...This is your
right.
3) once you have a list of those tests,
you can cross them off and go see what you
still need.
4) a very basic list of tests:
ana
anti-dna
anti-ro
anti-sm
a complete urinalysis
a hepatic panel
a complete rbc work up
c3 and c4 (complement levels)
bun levels
creatine levels
the typical results can be found at www.Lupus.Org. The
have a wonderful write up on these tests!
5) have you seen a rheumatologist? I know
you have mentioned a neurologist...But a
rheumatologist is very important to
someone with lupus or even ra!
This is a good starting point! I'll let
you digest this first!
hugs,
ladybrannon
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Tallwoman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Location: US
Thanks For the Info, Lady Brannon Posted: 04-20-04 08:29am
I talked with the nurse at the neuro's
office. She said that she is waiting to
get the results and will show them to the
doctor. She said that they might refer me
to a rheumatologist.
I read that for you to have a diagnosis of
sle, you absolutely have to have a
positive ana. Is this true? If it is, I
think i've had at least two and they were
not positive.
Oh well, I don't know what I have, I just
know I want to get to the bottom of it so
I can get some treatment for it.
Take care,
tallwoman
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Tallwoman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Location: US
the Search Continues... Posted: 04-21-04 21:41pm
Well my latest test, a urinalysis, showed
blood in my urine. (this the the third
one done in about five weeks.) the first
one my gp did because I was sick with
fever and body aches (right after just
getting over another "viral illness").
She said to come back in a couple of weeks
and we'd try it again. I came back, but
guess what? Had my period. So, even
though I tried to do the clean catch
thing, blood still showed. But because I
had my period, the gp said, the blood was
probably due to that. She never said,
"come back and let's do it again." I told
my neuro about this when I saw him last,
and he said go back and have it done
again.
So, I went back again yesterday and said,
"can we try it again?" showed blood again.
Now they're sending me to a urologist. I
just wish all my doctors would communicate
and share their findings, you know? I'm
still waiting for a call from the neuros
office about what to do about the positive
blood test findings. Maybe if they all
shared their information, I wouldn't have
to undergo anymore tests and we could get
to the bottom of what's wrong with me.
I'm so frustrated.
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LadyBrannon
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 506 Location: TX
Posted: 04-22-04 06:19am
I know people with a negative ana that
have lupus. While most people with lupus
have a positive ana, not all do.
Just blood? Or was there a sign of
protein? And what kind of blood? Did
they do a cast? Does your urine look
reddish orange? Or like say...Tea?
Did they check your bun and creatnine
levels?
Hugs,
ladybrannon
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Tallwoman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Location: US
They Weren't Specific Posted: 04-22-04 10:11am
They just said blood. My urine looks
normal except it is a little foamy. Well,
I see the urologist tomorrow and finally
got a call back from the neuro's office
saying that they want to dicuss their
findings with me in the office. I'd told
them earlier that they could just leave a
detailed voice message thinking maybe
they'd say, "we've put a consult in
for...". So, that's next week. They've
also already faxed the urologist the
results of the lab work the neuro
requested. Looks like we're finally
getting somewhere. Where? I'm not sure.
I might think it's lupus, but it might
turn out to be something else. I've been
wrong about things before.
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LadyBrannon
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 506 Location: TX
Posted: 04-22-04 23:08pm
Hang in there...It sounds like they are
really working on it!
Either way, we are here for you!
hugs!
Ladybrannon
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nancyintx
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Dallas, TX
Wow, Tallwoman!! Posted: 04-27-04 09:55am
Except for the neuro thing, you could be
describing my life for the past four
weeks. Now, my ana was positive in the
past, and came back negative this time.
Inflammation was 22, no ra. Doc wants me
to go to an infectious disease
doctor...How is this going to help????
How long do I have to do this?? I've had
a fever for almost 3 weeks now, and my
foot is huge.
Aaauuuuuggggghhhhhh!!!!
I feel your pain.
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Tallwoman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Location: US
Hi Both Ladybrannon And Nancyintx Posted: 04-27-04 13:04pm
For some reason I didn't get the email
notifications that you had replied to my
post. Glad I checked in to see what if
anything was new. I saw the urologist who
scoped me. (ever had that done? Ow!
It's painful.) this is the second time in
two years time for me. The urologist
said, "good news! Your bladder looks
fine." so now he's ordered a ct scan of my
kidneys for stones. Come on! I don't
have stones. Don't you think i'd feel
that? I mean I heard those hurt worse
than labor! But I suppose they have to
rule it out. Will a ct scan show changes
due to lupus nephritis? What exactly is
the physical mechanism causing lupus
nephritis? Is it vasculitis in the
kidneys?
Well, now I have an appointment to see the
neuro to talk about all the test results
this thursday. We'll see where they send
me next.
Nancyintx, you're lucky you don't have the
neuro stuff. I'd be fine if not for those
symptoms.
Thanks for your support, ladies!
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Tallwoman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Location: US
Pain? Posted: 04-28-04 13:03pm
I noticed that a lot of people who post on
this forum complain of having pain. You
know, I hardly ever have any pain. The
time right before I was struck with the
transverse myelitis, I was having right
knee pain. That lasted for over a month.
The doctor I saw said it had to do with my
being a teacher and standing. I told him
that I stand on the other leg too, and it
doesn't bother me. oh
well.
Anyway, I hardly have any pain. When I do
have a fever, i'll get body aches and pain
in my lower spine and hips. Sometimes I
get pain in my hip joints without fever.
I always thought it was age. But I can go
for months without it bothering me.
I was having bad stomach pains years ago.
Felt like an ulcer, but when the doctor
scoped me, he didn't find anything.
Oh the mystery of it all...
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LadyBrannon
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 506 Location: TX
Posted: 04-28-04 13:09pm
I'd say you have plenty of the
others...Not everyone has all of it.
That's the beauty/curse of lupus...None of
us have the same symptoms.
i hope you both feel better (tallwoman and
nancyintx). If you either want to talk
off the forum, pm me!
hugs,
ladybrannon
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Tallwoman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Location: US
Finally An Appointment Posted: 05-12-04 13:16pm
My referral finally came through and I
have an appointment with a rheumatologist
on friday. I'm to come in 45 minutes
early to fill out an 8 page questionnaire,
and i'm to bring shorts and wear a short
sleeved shirt to my exam.
Any advice for me? I have a field day on
thursday the day before, will be outside
with my class all day. Do you think I
should purposely not wear sunscreen to
expose myself to the sun? I'm a little
worried about doing that thinking I might
not be able to make it through the day.
Still, if this is lupus, I want it to show
itself, make itself known, come out of
hiding so we can zap it! I know, it's not
that easy...
i've had 24 hour pee collections and some
regular urinalyses (sp) and even with my
period it didn't matter to the doctors.
Blood in the urine is blood in the urine
and period blood isn't taken into account
when they run the tests.
A lot of my doctors have told me this and
yes, protein did show up in the blood.
Perhaps you should get a second opinion on
the blood in the urine thing?
Clarebear
ps hope you are doing better. You too
nanc. You too ladyb.