Birch
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Posted: 12-16-07 11:36am
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I continue to believe that since no one
asked Anna what she wanted after making an
effort to help her understand her
situation her right to self determination
was violated. Is someone afflicted with
Trisomy 21 less "equal" than you or I and
not deserving of even the opportunity to
understand?
| Kypros
wrote: | | I'm sorry, but I find it
inane to even conceive that Anna, as a
bearer of the mentality of 5-year old,
could make an educated decision on the
future of her pregnancy. Try telling a
5-year old. Grown women often feel they
made a terrible choice and regret it, let
alone a mentally-disabled
woman. |
You would not know unless you ask first.
It is important to respect the inherent
individuality of anyone, even if they have
Down's Syndrome.
I tie this issue together with viewing
individuals with Down's Syndrome solely as
mental children, and since children have
no rights neither do they, which I
vehemently disagree with.
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-16-07 14:07pm
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| Darkmoon
wrote: | | I'm curious as to who would
have raised the resulting child if the
pregnancy had continued. Should the
girl's parents have been forced to take up
the burden? . |
I don't think anyone is ever "forced" to
raise a child, adoption is always an
option.
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Posted: 12-16-07 14:49pm
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You're right, yodavater, but they are
forced to give birth when they do not wish
to.
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-16-07 14:55pm
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| Kypros
wrote: | | You're right, yodavater, but
they are forced to give birth
when they do not wish
to. |
Nature forces all pregnant women to "give
birth", one way or the other. Live birth,
or still birth, it's still "birth"... and
abortion is a type of stillbirth.
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Birch
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Posted: 12-16-07 15:09pm
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| yodavater
wrote: | | Live birth, or still birth,
it's still "birth"... and abortion is a
type of
stillbirth. |
Source? Link?
Dictionary definition? 
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yodavater
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Birch
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Posted: 12-16-07 15:30pm
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That's funny. I don't see anything about
abortion being a type of stillbirth.
| Quote: | Definition
A stillbirth is when a fetus that was
expected to survive dies during birth or
during the late stages of pregnancy.
See also: Miscarriage
Information
Stillbirth can be caused by the
following:
Birth defects
Illnesses
Infections
Injuries
Sudden severe blood loss (hemorrhage) in
the mother or fetus
Stopping of the heartbeat (cardiac arrest)
in the mother or fetus
Uterine problems (placental detachment,
poor placental function, or intrauterine
growth restriction)
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http:
//www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article
/002304.htm
Still don't see it...hmm...
| Quote: | "Stillbirth: The
tragic birth of a dead baby, the delivery
of a fetus that has died before birth.
There is no possibility of resuscitation.
The word "stillbirth" is a fusion of
"still" in the now-obsolete sense of
"dead" and "birth" = dead birth.
The distinction between a stillbirth and a
miscarriage is arbitrary. The dividing
line is variously set at 20 to 24 weeks of
gestation. Before that time it is a
miscarriage (also called a spontaneous
abortion). After that time it is a
stillbirth. |
htt
p://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?a
rticlekey=19817
I think you made that up. Why would you
do that with all these dictionaries
around?
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-17-07 16:36pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | I think you made that up.
Why would you do that with all these
dictionaries
around? |
Oh no, surely you don't think I made up a
definition, do you? Why, that would make
me like.... like..... like all the
"prochoicers" on this board!!
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Birch
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Posted: 12-17-07 19:11pm
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| yodavater
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Oh no, surely you don't think I made up a
definition, do you? Why, that would make
me like.... like..... like all the
"prochoicers" on this
board!! |
I do not know if that is an attempt at
humor, because it is inaccurate; actively
disingenuous, because that is all you have
in your bag of tricks; or if that is an
attempt at obfuscation, since you were
wrong and unable to admit it.
If I were you, | yodavater
wrote: |
... I would care about what was in a
medical encyclopedia if we were arguing
about medical matters.
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Posted: 12-17-07 20:31pm
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Lol. Apparently abortion isn't a medical
issue 
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Posted: 12-17-07 20:39pm
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| yodavater
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | I think you made that up.
Why would you do that with all these
dictionaries
around? |
Oh no, surely you don't think I made up a
definition, do you? Why, that would make
me like.... like..... like all the
"prochoicers" on this
board!! |
*ahem*
and what, pray tell, does that make you?
(just a question...)
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Posted: 12-18-07 07:24am
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| yodavater
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | I think you made that up.
Why would you do that with all these
dictionaries
around? |
Oh no, surely you don't think I made up a
definition, do you? Why, that would make
me like.... like..... like all the
"prochoicers" on this
board!! |
Actually vater your definitions have been
posted; in your own words; describing
pro-choice. it was your typical nasty
little rant. Shall I go bring more back??
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-18-07 11:29am
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Lol. Apparently abortion
isn't a medical issue |
Basically, it is no more a "medical issue"
than an execution, if it is an elective
abortion.
It's purpose is to remove and execute a
living human being.
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-18-07 11:30am
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| Sandy_Pants
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and what, pray tell, does that make you?
(just a
question...) |
Why, that would make me a "fabricator" of
definitions!
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-18-07 11:31am
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| Jincks013
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Actually vater your definitions have been
posted; in your own words; describing
pro-choice. |
Yes, I've posted both definitions of
prochoice and proabortion. And your point
would be.........?????
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Posted: 12-18-07 12:04pm
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Abortion is not a type of stillbirth.
Let it be known that yodavater evaded the
calling to the fray of his disingenuity
yet again. Hopefully he will soon learn
that he cannot get away with dishonest
posting on this forum and we can all
return to reality.
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Posted: 12-18-07 12:28pm
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| yodavater
wrote: | | Sandy_Pants
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and what, pray tell, does that make you?
(just a
question...) |
Why, that would make me a "fabricator" of
definitions! |
wow! astute!
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Posted: 12-18-07 19:09pm
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| yodavater
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | Lol. Apparently abortion
isn't a medical issue |
Basically, it is no more a "medical issue"
than an execution, if it is an elective
abortion.
It's purpose is to remove and execute a
living human
being. |
I would have to say that executions are
actually medical issues as well.
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-20-07 13:51pm
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| Jincks013
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Actually vater your definitions have been
posted; in your own words; describing
pro-choice. it was your typical nasty
little rant. |
So now dictionaries contain "nasty little
rants"?
What page are they on?
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