Jules
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Tiller the Killer
Posted: 12-15-07 11:15am
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I was having a look around some of the
other forums mentioned by people on here
and on one of them there was a thread
about an abortion provider called Dr
Tiller. There was a link to a website
about him that was from the pro-life
stance: www.dr-tiller.com
I looked at this website, and maybe I was
missing something (very possible!  ) but from what I
reading he seemed to provide an important
service to women who have to abort late
term due to foetal health. There was
outrage that Tiller let the family spend
time with the dead baby and took
footprints, arranged funerals or baptisms
etc. Surely it would be far more of an
outrage if he didn't allow these things?
I'm not familiar with Dr Tiller other than
what I've read there but I get the
impression he's well known in the US.
What are your opinions on him? Is he a
criminal and a murderer? Or a man
providing valuable services to desperate
people in tragic circumstances?
Edited for spelling
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Posted: 12-15-07 11:21am
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well, he is a murderer because he is
murdering.. criminal? not if the law says
he can do it..
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Posted: 12-15-07 11:26am
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To provide a balanced view, http://www.drtiller.com/
I think we chatted about him before on
this forum...oh, no, maybe that was a
different one. 
Dr. Tiller follows the law. He provides
elective abortions up until it is illegal,
as well as abortions for fetal
abnormalities. The prolife groups would
be better off lobbying for judicial change
instead of turning someone into a
scapegoat for practicing medicine legally.
Incidentally, he has been shot twice by
"pro life" advocates.
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Posted: 12-15-07 12:32pm
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On the site it said that the one baby to
survive an abortion by Tiller was born in
the clinic parking lot and left there a
whole night to die. Can anyone say libel?
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Jules
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Posted: 12-15-07 12:37pm
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Yeah, there was also a bit about Tiller
having dead babies in his fridge next to
his lunch...I find that hard to believe!
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Posted: 12-15-07 12:38pm
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"well he is a homicide..." Homicide is an
action defined by the state and so one can
not be a "homicide". ".... becuase he is
murdering..." No again homicide is
defined by law and Dr. Tiller does not
homicide anyone.
The anti choice crowd knows that they will
never sell a total abortion ban to the
american people. Every woman that has an
abortion has family and friends every one
of us could be in the posistion of having
a wife, daughter, mother or friend that
needs this service. No one want so risk
the life and well being of the women we
love to satisfy a small group of zealots.
So they attack the providers. Dr. Tiller
and Dr. Hern of Colorado are the only two
I believe that offer late term services.
Dr Tiller follows the law. The clinic
gets a second oppinon as required by law.
Most of the late term patients are refered
by other physiscians or geneticists.
(amounting in most cases of a third
oppinion).
Yes Dr. Tiller was shot twice (in the same
incident) by shelly shannon. The clinic
was also bombed. There have numerous
vandal attacks the last this July
resulting in tens of thousands of dollars
damage.
The clinic staff is followed and harrased
by these self apointed morals police.
the clinics vendors are harrased. And yet
the clinic has stayed open. It has
expanded and improved. The medical care
is excellent. The staffs morale is good
and the turn over is much lower than at
most medical facilities. Many staff
members having been there for tein or more
years and several twenty and thirty plus.
The clinic recieves great feed back from
the vast majority of the patients that
have been seen.
the clinic is under constant attack. The
clinic fights back using all the resources
the law allows. It will remain open.
Enuendo is the only weapon the anti choice
crowd has. However as Dr. Tillers sign
says: "Women need abortions, and I will
provide them"
He is a dedicated, strong man, who will go
the distance. He cares greatly about the
patients and their families. His staff is
dedicated and steady.
The Clinics motto is TRUST WOMEN and that
is what it is all about trusting women to
use their experience their knowledge of
their circumstances and their own heart to
make their own decisions . It is about
trusting women to decide with their
families what is best in their unique
situation. It is about trusting women to
use their brains to make their decisions.
The abortion debate is about women and the
right of women to control when and how
something can attach and use that body.
It is about the right of women to bodily
atonamy. there are those who trust women
to make the best decision in these regards
based on their unique situation and there
are those that want to decide for the
woman that she will gestate to term even
against her expressed desire and
regardless of her circumstances.
Dr. Tiller is for trusting the woman to
make her choice, those who attack him are
for enforcing their decisions on women
they do not even know.
I should intoduce myself to some extent.
My information comes from the fact that I
work at the clinic and I know Dr. Tiller
personally. He is a good decent man who
has kept his marriage intact and raised
his children sucessfully. He is generous
and caring. And above all he puts the
needs of his patients above himself. He is
courageous and dedicated. I am honored to
know him along with the other docs and
staff.
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Posted: 12-15-07 12:44pm
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Wow.
What a terrifying work environment.
What's the community/police support like?
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Posted: 12-15-07 12:49pm
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j.r.
Never happened. Which is why you do not
provide a sourceI susspect. As I said
enuendo is the anti choices only weapon
against Dr. Tiller. If you are going to
make these kind of statements you may want
to provide a source other wise you are
simply passing along gossip (don't know if
you are religious but I think that is a
sin for xians is it not)
FYI
We have a fully equiped staff lounge with
a full sized refridgerator for everyones
lunces. We also have several small
refridgerators in the waiting rooms for
those patients that bring juice or sodas.
The lab is self contained and I can assure
evryone that no lunches or anything else
no pertinaent to the lab is kept there.
There was a new law passed that requires
all out patient surgeries in Kansas to be
inspected. We passed ours with flying
colors. I would guess they opened all the
refriderators.
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Posted: 12-15-07 13:08pm
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Libel is anything that is written with the
intent of misrepresenting an event or
damaging someones reputation. I pulled
that info off of the Tiller the killer
site. I agree with you sissis, I was
saying that it was complete B.S.
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Posted: 12-15-07 13:10pm
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For the most part it is fair. I think
that the police tend to give the
protestors what they want just to shut
them up unless we specifacally lodge a
complaint. The neighbors call the police
more than we do becuase the protestors
anoy them.
They are irritating becuase they tend to
step infront of the staffs cars frequently
and refuse to move. (this is in the
driveway) . There is lots of name
calling at us and the patients. Once the
ptients are in the parking lot we provide
armed security.
For the most part we ignore them. That
said we do keep track of them. And we
know the heavy hitters.
Some of our regulars are a man convicted
of domestic violence with his first
wifwife. arrested a few years ago when
someone in his home called the police to
report he was physically abuseing his
young son and a twice divorced catholic
who thinks he is the ultimate judge of
what a good catholic is. A woman who was
convicted in a conspiracy to bomb a
clinic ina large medical complex along
with her husband (both of whom were
susspects in two actual bombings but never
brought to trial) a woamn convicted of a
string of arson fires (six). Several of
those who have signed the justifiable
homicide document and several supporters
of paul hill.
In the past we have had a convicted rapist
of a minor. a paint huffer who had lost
way to many of his brain cells, the author
of the nurenburg files and the sad case
that was on the HBO documentary about the
army of god and who wanted to be a Doctor
assasin.
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Posted: 12-15-07 13:14pm
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J.R I am sorry. I should have read your
post more carefully. My fault.
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Jules
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Posted: 12-15-07 13:44pm
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Oh wow, that's a really spooky coincidence
that I just posted about Tiller and a
newbie here works with him...I've got
shivers! Well I suppose you're the best
person to have on this thread!
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Posted: 12-15-07 14:32pm
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And what was his explanation about
christin gilbert?
Not saying i agree with clinic violence
and terrorism i am genuinly intrested in
the explanation as to why vital
information was with held from the
emergency services by your co workers that
cost christin gilbert her life?
Just for the record i think clinic
violence isdisgusting andthe perpatrators
should all be serving life.
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Posted: 12-15-07 15:08pm
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[quote="sistersister"]"well he is a
homicide..." Homicide is an action
defined by the state and so one can not be
a "homicide". ".... becuase he is
murdering..." No again homicide is
defined by law and Dr. Tiller does not
homicide anyone. [quote]
Actually, homicide, just as suicide,
regicide, fratricide, matricide,
can denote the person who commits the
action, aside from the action itself.
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Posted: 12-15-07 15:10pm
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| Jules
wrote: | | Oh wow, that's a really
spooky coincidence that I just posted
about Tiller and a newbie here works with
him...I've got shivers! Well I suppose
you're the best person to have on this
thread! |
Tht is quite an astonishing coincidence!
Nice to have the view of someone who works
right there. I imagine you have a good
first hand view of some of the things we
talk about. It's nice to have you on the
boards.
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Posted: 12-15-07 19:35pm
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As to Christin Gilbert
Read the autopsy report completely.
Christin died of an infectin that she came
in with. It was an infection that was not
affected by the prophylatic antibiotics
all women are placed on. The infection
originated in her lungs. The infection
was not the result of her abortion.
However any surgical procedure places
strain on the body and as such can cause
the infection to win out over a stressed
out immune system. This is why the Dr.
and clinic were cleared after a grand jury
hearing and an investigation. Of course
the antis would rather allude to some vast
conspiracy even on some posts making
disgustion enuendo about the girls father
(becuase the family did not want anything
to do with the antis and most certianly
did not want to be used by them.
The clinic staff knew Christin and her
family. The clinic staff was devastated
by her death. It was the first death in
over thirty years and one we are so sorry
to have happened under any circumstances.
As too the 911 call. We tell the
ambulance not to use sirens as if they do
the antis at the gate rush to the drive
way which blocks it and causes delays in
care getting to the patient. You do not
have to take my word for that just look at
the pictures they have taken and posted
frome the driveway.
We use ambulances when we send patientss
into the hospital for x-rays and tests. A
woman in active labor is not someone you
want to toss intothe back seat of a car.
Every time we have had to send a patient
out the antis scream "botched" abortion.
The truth is that they are hopeing for
someone to die so that they can use it to
promote their agenda. And we are very
careful to make sure nothing like this
ever happens again to a girl, her family
and those who got to know her.
One might also consider that all
complications are written in the patients
charts and sent to the state. If we had
done something to cause this young womans
death having an ambulance turn off its
siren would have done nothing to keep it
from coming out.
So once agin Miss Gibert did not die
becuase the ambulance was asked to keep
its siren off. No emergency care was with
held by my co workers. As soon as the
family brought her back intot he clinic
everything possible was done based on our
information of her circumstances. The
Doctor himself went to the emergency room
with the family and patient.
I repeat take the time to read the entire
autopsy report. Then come back and tell
me what vital information was with held
from the emercency workers. That she had
had an abortion? We are not only an
abortion clinic but we are well known so
that would not have been it. What is this
mysterious info we withheld??
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Posted: 12-16-07 00:48am
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[quote="Kypros"][quote="sistersister"]"wel
l he is a homicide..." Homicide is an
action defined by the state and so one can
not be a "homicide". ".... becuase he is
murdering..." No again homicide is
defined by law and Dr. Tiller does not
homicide anyone. | Quote: |
Actually, homicide, just as suicide,
regicide, fratricide, matricide,
can denote the person who commits the
action, aside from the action
itself. |
Just an fyi to everyone, it's the attack
of the filter again. 'Murder'
gets changed to 'homicide' now.
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Posted: 12-16-07 11:58am
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then why were the emergency services put
on hold for nearly 14 minutes when they
asked the nature of the emergency and the
receptionist would only repeat i am not
authourised to say?
I understand completly that christin died
from a infection i didn't ask what she
died from i asked why the evasivness i can
also understand the no sirens reguest what
i cannot understand is if you dial an
emergency service number then in effect
you are stating you have an emergency
situation so to then keep the emergency
services on hold for nearly 14 minutes
beggars belief but to then claim they have
no authourity to tell said emergency
services what the emergency is is blatant
negligence
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Posted: 12-16-07 13:18pm
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The office worker that called the
ambulance was not in the same room as the
patient, doctors and nurses. She had
recieved a message to call the ambulance
(her roledex was on her desk).
As she was an office worker and not
medical staff she was not able to give
specifics of the patients condition. What
she knew was that we needed an ambulance
and that is what she said. She was right
in saying she did not have the authority
to say what she did not know. The medical
staff was working to help the patient and
could not stop to talk to a dispatcher.
The office worker was asked to call for an
ambulance and she did the ambulance was
dispatched with no delay. When the
ambulance arrived the medical staff
breifed them on the patient and her
symptoms along with what care had been
given.
There was no delay in care. There was a
delay in an answer to the dispatcher.
That was so that another office worker
could relay the question back to the
medical staff and then relay the answer to
the woman on the phone.
Again I ask you what was the "vital"
imformation with held by my co workers.
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Posted: 12-16-07 13:25pm
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How abot the nature of the emergency and
the fact that christin was bleeding
heavily?
would it not have been quicker for dr
tiller to have phoned through to the
emergency service on loud speaker from the
office i really don't beleive a clinic as
established as dr tillers does not have a
phone installed in the surgery for such
situations.
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