So yoda you think its okay
for a woman to be beaten to death
.
So, Jincks, you think it's okay for a
child to be molested and killed? Do you?
(Hint: that question makes about as much
sense as yours did.)
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-21-07 13:40pm
Syrenity
wrote:
Are you really serious? If abortions were
illegal, he likely would have jumped
directly to killing her.
I doubt it. Abandonment would be more
likely, IMO.
Syrenity
wrote:
This is not a case of pro-choice violence,
this is a case of violence against women.
Something that, IMO, you indirectly
advocate by believing that a that a victim
of rape resulting in pregnancy should be
forced to carry to term.
So "not killing your baby" because it's
against the law amounts to "violence"?
My, this really is a "world turned upside
down".
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lucy315
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Posted: 12-21-07 15:56pm
lucy315
wrote:
Not to mention screaming to EVERYONE on a
very busy street that I just killed my
baby! Your cause may not have been
harmed, but I was scared for my life (and
my boyfriend's). .
Quote:
I've yet to hear
of any "clients" being harmed by a prolife
protester. And I'm sure it would be
headline news in every major paper and on
tv if it ever happened. No, I don't
scream at anyone, in fact I hardly ever
speak to them. But since I wasn't there, I
won't comment on what "they"
did.
It wasn't a "they", it was one woman. In
fact, she was the only protester there.
And I was very scared for my life. Why
would this woman try to stop me from
leaving? The abortion was OVER. You've
never heard of a client being harmed? I'm
not one to put up a bunch of definitions,
but harmed means to cause physical or
psychological injury or damage. This
woman grabbed me! And how do you know she
didn't cause psychological damage? You
have no idea how these woman feel after
they encounter a protester. And how or
why would it be on TV? I'm glad to hear
that you are a "peaceful" protester.
That's the way it should be. Talking to
the clients and maybe handing out a
pamphlet or two.
You didn't answer my questions, so I will
post them again.
That's great for you and your cause, but
what about me and other women who have
been "harmed" by protesters? Do we not
matter? Do you think we deserve it?
I know you are not one to "harm" a client,
but what do you think about the the
protesters who do?
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Birch
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Posted: 12-21-07 21:45pm
yodavater
wrote:
sistersister
wrote:
One thing that anyone who
works at a clinic knows is that the
"protestors" and their bad behavior does
nothing to stop a patient from coming to a
clinic or having an abortion.
I've personally seen several women change
their minds at the clinic here in
Knoxville, and been told that one woman
credits me personally with saving her
baby. And I've read about many, many
other women who have thanked protesters
for being there and "saving their
babies".
I am glad, because for these women,
abortion was not the right answer.
However, that is not a universal
sentiment. It is important to remember
that.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 12-21-07 22:25pm
yodavater
wrote:
Jincks013
wrote:
So yoda you think its okay
for a woman to be beaten to death
.
So, Jincks, you think it's okay for a
child to be molested and killed? Do you?
(Hint: that question makes about as much
sense as yours
did.)
Focus here. Try to stay on topic for a
change.
You are the one attempting to equate
killing the woman because she CHOSE to
gestate with the man being allegedly
pro-choice. Given your statements it is
obvious you do not think the man did
anything wrong and its the woman's fault
for CHOOSING to gestate.
You are the one defending the man.
Thank you for proving once again the only
life that matters to you is the zef. ((You
did know that in cheering on him killing
her he killed the zef too right?))
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Syrenity
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Posted: 12-22-07 11:37am
yodavater
wrote:
Syrenity
wrote:
Are you really serious? If abortions were
illegal, he likely would have jumped
directly to killing her.
I doubt it. Abandonment would be more
likely, IMO.
Syrenity
wrote:
This is not a case of pro-choice violence,
this is a case of violence against women.
Something that, IMO, you indirectly
advocate by believing that a that a victim
of rape resulting in pregnancy should be
forced to carry to term.
So "not killing your baby" because it's
against the law amounts to "violence"?
My, this really is a "world turned upside
down".
You have such a narrow, closed mind it's
very sad. I truly hope that no woman close
to you ever is in the position to want an
abortion due to rape. If I had become
pregnant after my attack, I know that I
would have as soon cut it out of my belly
myself rather than let it squirm &
grow there. I know you will never attempt
to put yourself in the place of these
women to try & see how they feel, but
you should try. Might be liberating.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 12-22-07 11:45am
I know a girl that was raped.. And she got
pregnant, and kept the baby. She told me
it helped her heal to know something good
came out of something so terrible. She
said every time she thought of the
horrible event. She would look at her
daughter and think of the good from it.
She said if she didn't have her little
girl to look at she would only dwell on
the bad of the event..
Of course not everyone is the same. People
all look at things in different ways.
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Syrenity
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Posted: 12-22-07 11:58am
meblonde01
wrote:
I know a girl that was
raped.. And she got pregnant, and kept the
baby. She told me it helped her heal to
know something good came out of something
so terrible. She said every time she
thought of the horrible event. She would
look at her daughter and think of the good
from it. She said if she didn't have her
little girl to look at she would only
dwell on the bad of the event..
Of course not everyone is the same. People
all look at things in different
ways.
I agree, I respect the very few women who
are able to cope with it & keep their
babies, & raise the well. There are of
course women who keep their babies &
treat them like crap, abuse & neglect
them because every time they look at them,
the see their rapist.
But, in my experience, from the support
groups I've been a part of, most women who
are raped would not be able to handle even
the 9 months of pregnancy that could be
the outcome of a rape. Thankfully, with
the morning after pill available now, most
women will never have to worry about that.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 12-22-07 12:03pm
Yeah, she didn't think she could handle it
during the 9 months either.. But all that
changed after she saw the Baby.
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Sandbox Party
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Posted: 12-22-07 14:48pm
aww
talk about stress management! lol
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sistersister
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Posted: 12-22-07 21:07pm
As those who know me from other forums
know I became pregnant as the result of a
brutal beating and rape (which resulted in
broken bones and many stitches head beaten
so bad I could not open one eye for weeks,
bruises and rips in vigina and anus.) If
my land lady had not have helped me abort
(and by the way yoda I was living in a
country where abortion was banned and knew
I could have ended up in prison) I would
have taken my own life before I allowed
what had been forced into my body against
my will to grow.
Everyone is different but that pregnancy
was an extention of the rape. Unless you
have been raped and become pregnant as a
result then you do not kow how you will
feel or what you will do.
For a few women the pregnancy may be
healing, for others it is part and parcel
of the act of rape.
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Sandbox Party
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Posted: 12-22-07 21:17pm
i can understand it from both sides.
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 12-22-07 22:21pm
Gods, that's terrible, sister. I really
feel for you, having to go through that.
The bottom line is that rape survivors
should be given the dignity and respect
they deserve and be allowed to make their
own decisions regarding whether they are
willing and able to "survive" incubating a
pregnancy forced on them by a sexual
attacker. Every woman is different and
therefore even if (heavens forbid)
abortion were ever made illegal, those who
are forcibly impregnated should have every
right to take back their lives in whatever
way they can. Whether this means carrying
to term because they feel it would make
something good out of something bad, or
ending the pregnancy because they feel it
would free them from further violation, it
should be their choice.
I don't believe in raping women a second
time by forcing them to endure further
unwilling use of their bodies. The mere
thought is ghastly and heartless to me.
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-26-07 11:55am
lucy315
wrote:
That's great for you and your cause, but
what about me and other women who have
been "harmed" by protesters? Do we not
matter? Do you think we deserve
it?
Since I have no personal knowledge of the
situation you're referring to, all I can
say is that we have civil courts to
recover damages when we are "harmed", and
we have the federal FACE law to cover any
type of action that hinders access to OR
FROM an abortion mill. If you have a
case, I think you should be compensated,
and if the FACE law has been violated, it
should be used to prosecute the violators.
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-26-07 11:59am
Birch
wrote:
I am glad, because for these women,
abortion was not the right answer.
However, that is not a universal
sentiment. It is important to remember
that.
My statement was in response to the claim
that (paraphrasing) "protesters do nothing
to stop abortions".
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-26-07 12:01pm
Jincks013
wrote:
You are the one attempting to equate
killing the woman because she CHOSE to
gestate with the man being allegedly
pro-choice.
What a weird accusation. No "equation"
was ever asserted.
But I still can't imagine a "prolife" man
doing that, can you?
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yodavater
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Posted: 12-26-07 12:02pm
Syrenity
wrote:
If I had become pregnant after my attack,
I know that I would have as soon cut it
out of my belly myself rather than let it
squirm & grow
there.
"Squirm"? Does "squirming" have some sort
of negative connotation to you?
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Jincks013
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Posted: 12-27-07 07:17am
yodavater
wrote:
Syrenity
wrote:
If I had become pregnant after my attack,
I know that I would have as soon cut it
out of my belly myself rather than let it
squirm & grow
there.
"Squirm"? Does "squirming" have some sort
of negative connotation to
you?
Think tadpole or snake here yoda. Again..
how do you intend to reduce the need for
abortions? How do you intend to preserve
the life and sanity of a sexual assault
victim who is impregnated? What about
fetii with malformations that will not
permit survival outside the uterus? such
as a fetus with exencephaly (thats the
brain being outside the cranial vault) and
the mother isn't told or its not obvious
until her 3rd trimester..
Since PL thinks they have all the answers
do go ahead and explain I"ll even invite
sandy-pants and krypos as well..
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sistersister
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Posted: 12-27-07 10:12am
when the thing that is "squirming" has
been violently rammed into you aginst your
will, every time it moves ("squirms") it
is a reminder and continuation of the
assualt . So yes that would be a
"negative connotation".
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meblonde01
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Posted: 12-27-07 10:16am
sister, I'm not sure if you have already
said this or not. But do you still work
for this guy Tiller?
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