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Gordon Drivelbottom
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What Does the Baby Think?
Posted: 04-25-04 21:12pm
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Abortion is nothing short of a crime
against humanity. The baby, while in the
womb, can still feel pain, and it can also
hear human voices. Many scientists
believe that not only can the child hear
peoples voices, but it can also understand
the words. So, just imagine how scared
that child would be when it hears it's
harlet of a mother announcing she is
'going to have another abortion'. That
baby would be terrified beyond all belief,
especially when it knows there is
absolutely nothing he or she can do about
it.
 
gordon drivelbottom has spoken.
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KissyBai912
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Posted: 04-26-04 01:11am
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Although I don't know about a baby feeling
pain in the womb, it's been proven that
babies cannot hear voices outside the womb
until about 34 weeks gestation. And since
abortions are illegal past 12 weeks, I
don't believe the baby could hear it's
mother's voice saying this, especially
since it's ears aren't even fully
developed and functional yet. And babies
can hear, but they don't understand what
they are hearing. That would be like
saying you have a really good friend, best
friend even, from another country. And
you two are as close as brothers.....Yet
when he speaks in his native language you
automatically understand??? I don't think
so. Now I am anti-abortion but my god you
have to be the biggest fool I have ever
conversed with.
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Gordon Drivelbottom
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Facts
Posted: 04-26-04 01:14am
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No, I think that you will find that I have
my facts right. I am a man who only ever
lends an opinion when I know that I am
100% correct, and in this case I am.
gordon drivelbottom has spoken
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sparklypixie12
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Posted: 04-26-04 01:20am
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Chrissy-im saddened to say that there's
actually no legal limit to abortion &
women can have them up to 9months
(obviously this is restricted to medical
reasons for mother & baby) some women
have to even give birth to the baby
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Gordon Drivelbottom
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Posted: 04-26-04 01:41am
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Thats exactly what i've been trying to
tell them, but will they listen? No.
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KissyBai912
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Posted: 04-26-04 01:45am
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Hmmmm.....Here in florida its illegal past
12 weeks.....No wait 14 my bad....That
what the doc told me.
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littlehunybunny
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Hearing..
Posted: 04-26-04 04:07am
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I don't doubt that a baby can feel, the
nerves are there, and that is what gives
feelings. But a baby can not hear untill
later in the pregnancy. So I disagree
that a baby can hear its getting aborted,
and fearing what is coming. And as for a
baby understanding, that is only a
personal belief. The brian is not
developed enough to understand what anyone
is saying to them, not even after they are
born. The brain continues to develop 18
months after the babys is born. This is
why they are compleatly helpless at birth.
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2ferano
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Posted: 04-26-04 13:05pm
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Gordon, you are not 100% right. You are
not even close.
Maybe where you and sparkly are you can
have an abortion up to nine months, but
you cannot here, so your facts obviosly
are not right.
And a baby cannot understand what is being
said when in the womb. That is just
stupid. I am sure they can "feel" it
which is not a good thing, but they cannot
understand words. If they could, they
would just come out talking up a storm!
And I just love how you assume that all
women who have had an abortion have
multiple ones. You are so misinformed.
It is so funny when you tell people that
they are wrong and you "are a man and only
lend my opinion when I am 100% right"
who has been lying to you?
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samie
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Posted: 04-26-04 19:17pm
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From my topic - just the facts: life
eighteen weeks: though still a lightweight
at only 7 to 8 oz (6 inches long) this
baby is now complete needing only
nourishment, warmth and growth. In fact
infants as young as 5 months have been
able to survive premiture births. Mother
begins to feel fluttering kicks and
movments from her little one now. ****
there is evidence the baby hears outside
noise - music, traffic, t.V, people
talking and of course his favorate sound
his mothers voice****
gordon is 100% correct the baby can here
inside the womb and does infact feel
pain!
It is also thought the baby feels emotion
and understands the mother
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-26-04 21:49pm
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So what does the ability to feel pain
signify?
Animals feel pain -- so the "feel pain"
argument only works if you are a vegan.
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samie
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Posted: 04-26-04 22:00pm
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It also works if you believe in human
rights
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-26-04 22:32pm
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No, it doesn't really -- unless you say
that all human pain is bad, but no animal
pain matters. Personally, I think it is
much worse to cause pain to a living,
emotionally aware animal than to a bunch
of cells a few days, weeks or months old.
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samie
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Posted: 04-26-04 22:44pm
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Please read my topic - just the facts:
life
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-26-04 23:41pm
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Yes, I read that. A three month old
foetus is actually quite disgusting
looking, rather like an alien life form in
a bad science fiction movie. It can feel
pain? So what? Why is that more
important than the feelings of animals in
laboratories used for experimentation? Or
animals terrified in abbatoirs? Or that
people who are convicted of animal
cruelty, beating or starving or torturing
cats and dogs, get a tiny fine and a slap
on the wrist?
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samie
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Posted: 04-26-04 23:57pm
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What is most valuable to you may not be of
the same valuable to most people. So I
leave it at this...
Good people reading the thread, read the
posts and decide for yourself which is of
more value
1 a living human being who can feel pain
think probably understand or
2. An animal who can feel pain think and
probably understand
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sparklypixie12
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:05am
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My facts are right where i'm from
hotasfrick!!
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Gordon Drivelbottom
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Stand Up For Your Rights
Posted: 04-27-04 00:53am
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Thats right sparkly - give it to him!
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littlehunybunny
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Human V. Animal
Posted: 04-27-04 03:05am
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Yes a human will normally come first
before a child, but if animals wernt
anything to worry about, then why is it
that people get fines, and even jail time
for niglect and such? Because just like a
human, that animal can feel, and
understand. And with cats and dogs (and I
am sure other animals) they are able to
hate and love. Just because they don't
walk on two feet, and speak how we
understand does not make them any less of
a concern! I know this forum is for
abortions, but I really have to give my
two cents on this little matter. When you
take an animal in, it is a life
commitment! By law, if you feed that
animal, you are then responsible for
anything that animal does, or for whatever
it needs. Gets sick? You are required to
take it to a doc, hungry? Feed it! See
someone hitting an animal? Report it.
When an animal is found not just dead, but
killed, an investigation is set up to find
out who did it! Now with a human, don't
all of these aply as well?? So the good
point was made, if it is not ok to abort a
baby (for the right reasons!!!) then no
it is no way in hell ok to put an animal
to sleep just because someone doesn't want
to deal with the problem it is going to
have, or for that animal to be
experamented on!
So to say humans are more important then
animals makes you pretty heartless,
considering those animals too are
dependent on humans.
I havn't had my baby yet, but I already
love this baby like crazy!! I wouldn't
know what to do with myself if I lose this
baby! But guess what, I have cats too,
and if something were to happen to them,
and I lose them, I wouldn't know what to
do with myself. Love isn't just for human
kind! Its for all life!
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2ferano
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Posted: 04-27-04 08:35am
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That is fine and dandy sparkly, but it is
not correct for where we are so you cannot
tell chrissy that she is wrong.
And samie, gordon is not 100% right
because he said that a baby understands
what the mother is saying and no, it does
not. So, maybe you should read whole
posts before saying that a a complete fool
like gordon is correct.
And coming from someone who has had an
abortion you sure are being awfully
prolife.
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