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samie

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Just the Truth: Abortion & Mothers Life
Posted: 04-26-04 22:26pm

"abortion is war on women, cleverly disguiesd as promotion fo their rights. The truth is that abortin is never neccessary, and has devastating physical and mental effects on mothers."

"as obstetetricians and gynecologists, we affirm that there is no medical circumstances justifying direct abortion, that is circumstances in which the life of the mother may only be saved by directly terminating the life of her unborn child"

eamon o'dwyer, prof of obstetrics & gynecology, ucg
david jenkins, prof of obstetrics & gynecology, ucc
kieran o'driscoll, prof of obstetrics & gynecology, ucd
julia vaughan, consultant obstetrian & gynecologist,

wher abortion is not an option, for example in ireland doctors must channel their skills and energies into saving lives rather than resorting to the "bad" medicine of abortion. Proof that this situation is more beneficial to both mother and child can be seen in the united nations report(1993) stating "ireland is the safest place in the world for a mother to have a baby"

modern medicine

ectopic pregnancy is where a pregnancy remains in the fallopian tube. It is extremely rare in nature.The removal of an ectopic pregancy is not in the abortion debate and has never been considered as such. Modern medicine has allowed doctors to take the baby from the fallopian tube and succesfully place it in the womb

pre-eclamptic toxemia is high blood presure with general swelling which may lead to fits. This condition is now completely managable. It generally occures in the second half of pregnancy. When severe, an early delievery will be induced which will save the life of both the mother and her child.


In modern medicine, mothers do not die. Mothers are at risk only if they attened "pro choice" doctors. High blood presure, kidney and heart diseases respond to treatment. To suggest as "pro choice" doctors do abortion for high blood presure is like cutting of a foot for an ingrown toe nail.


Heart disease.


The incidence of heart disease in pregnancy is extreamly low. In the largest maternity hospital in europe (holles st hospital in dublin) there were 558 cases of heart condition (both mild and severe) to 159,680 births between 1969 and 1990 abortion would not have benefited any of these mothers.

Numerous reports of heart surgery durring pregnancy include succesful correction of most types of congenital and acuired cardiac disease. Maternal mortality is dependant on the specific nature of the procedure being performed and is not increased in pregnancy. Succesfull pregnancy following heart transplantation has also been reported.






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Posted: 04-26-04 23:53pm

Pregnancy and childbirth can be extremely dangerous. Every minute, a woman dies from complications of pregnancy and childbirth somewhere in the world ―at least 530,000 deaths per year.1 for each one who dies, another 30 to 50 suffer debilitating injury, infection or disease. Maternal mortality represents the greatest disparity between rich and poor countries, with 99 percent of maternal deaths occurring in the developing world. In sub-saharan africa, one woman in 16 dies from pregnancy or childbirth, but only one woman in 4,000 dies in western europe.2 most of these casualties could be prevented if women had access to basic medical care during pregnancy, childbirth and the post-partum period.

The situation
· in developed countries, one woman in 2,800 dies from complications of pregnancy and childbirth. In developing countries, one woman in 67 dies.1
· in sweden, the country with the lowest risk, one woman in 29,800 dies from complications of pregnancy and childbirth. At the other end of the scale are sierra leone and afghanistan, where death comes in pregnancy or childbirth for one woman in six. 1
· teenage girls over 15 years of age are twice as likely to die from childbirth as are women in their 20s, while girls under 15 face five times greater risk. 3
· at least 35 percent of women in developing countries receive no prenatal care. Almost half give birth without a skilled attendant (doctor, nurse or trained midwife), and 70 percent receive no care in the six weeks after delivery. 4
· obstructed labor, common worldwide, is treated in developed countries by caesarean section. Where emergency care is not available, the mother and child usually die. If the woman survives, she may incur an obstetric fistula, an opening between the vagina and rectum or bladder. The result is unrelenting incontinence, which leads to odor, infections and social ostracism.
· more than one-third of all pregnancies worldwide are unwanted. Each year, some 20 million unsafe abortions are performed, killing nearly 78,000 women and disabling hundreds of thousands more.5
· a quarter of all unsafe abortions—some 5 million—are performed on adolescent girls aged 15-19. 5
· current funding is sufficient to provide only one-eighth of the world’s currently needed reproductive health supplies, including maternal and neonatal healthcare commodities.6 up to a third of maternal mortality and morbidity could be avoided if women had access to information and a full range of modern, safe and effective family planning methods.7
· one in every three women worldwide has been beaten, raped, coerced into sex or physically abused in some way – often by someone she knows. 5 in the united states, homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women. 8
· women have an enormous impact on their families’ welfare. One million children die each year because their mother has died. The risk of death for children under 5 doubles if their mothers die in childbirth. 2 women also contribute a larger percentage of their earnings to their family than men do. 5
· low-income women are far less likely to have skilled care during childbirth. In bolivia, 97.9 percent of births to women of the richest fifth of the population have a skilled attendant; while just 22.7 percent of the poorest women receive such care during childbirth.
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samie

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Posted: 04-27-04 00:02am

Way off topic.. By its very nature child birth and abortion are two very different things. Stay on topic if you would
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:04am

Excuse me -- you are the one who stated that there was no risk of death in childbirth.
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samie

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Posted: 04-27-04 00:07am

No my dear friend I posted reputable gynecologists statement that read

"as obstetetricians and gynecologists, we affirm that there is no medical circumstances justifying direct abortion, that is circumstances in which the life of the mother may only be saved by directly terminating the life of her unborn child"

where in there do I state there is no risk of death from child birth?


Nowhere!

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now stay on topic
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:46am

"in modern medicine, mothers do not die."

now, stay on topic, sweetpea.
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samie

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Posted: 04-27-04 00:51am

If you read it in context you will agree.

They don't die because they didnt get an abortion. They die from childbirth reasons that do not pertain to the abortion argument in other words none of these reasons justify direct abortion.
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:18am

Many women still die because they are unable to get a legal abortion.
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samie

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Posted: 04-27-04 01:34am

A much better post mr childish name. Your getting better.

I agree with you a lot of women still die because they can not obtain legal abortions... No folks he/she isnt lying this time.






Oh I almost forgot, thats places in the world where medical care and medicine is far behind that of western societies. Introducing abortion into those countries wont make it safer for women to have children - no it will mean a lot more children die from abortion not because the women dont want their children but because the women are affraid to die from child birth. The answer is not the "bad" medicine of abortion but the introduction of better quality health care and medicine.

Good post though!
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:44am

Those who want to see abortion re-criminalised must recognise that women would not stop seeking abortions. That means women dying from illegal abortions.
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Gordon Drivelbottom

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Posted: 04-27-04 01:51am

Samie, you speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There is simply no arguing with your points. It is fact. Cold hard fact. Maybe in the pro-choice fantasy land, people dont like facts, but this is reality.
Abortion = abomination.
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jessechaseme

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Posted: 04-27-04 02:07am

Perhaps you should look up the word fact.
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samie

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Posted: 04-27-04 02:13am

Yes mr childish name, studies, statistics show if abortion were made ilegal a small percentage of women would still seek ilegal abortions and some of those would die from them. Correct

if abortion remains legal a lot highier percentage of women will seek legal abortions and more women will die from legal abortions.

Saddly sometimes both people die from abortions if they are legal or not.
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Posted: 04-27-04 02:17am

Fact: childbirth is a greater risk to women's health and life than legal abortion.
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jessechaseme

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Posted: 04-27-04 02:18am

Wow, that's a slippery slope if i've ever heard one.

I love how you right wingers jump right in there with your half wit analysis of how this world will work if things were your way.

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samie

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Posted: 04-27-04 02:27am

Yes by a very very small percent. I am sorry the office is now closed and I cant get to the materials but I *think* its less than 1%

the fact is childbirth is not in question here abortion is
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Posted: 04-27-04 03:05am

So it is worth pointing out that there is very little risk from legal abortions, in case anyone out there is wondering.
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Posted: 04-27-04 09:18am

O.K samie I have respected your "facts" so far, but the above post was just insane. Whomever made those quotes is obviously not very intelligent.
I personally know women who would have died as a direct cause of childbirth if they had not aborted their fetus. So, right there that is not true.
And once again if you cannot accept the fact that child birth is a factor in the decision of having an abortion then you need to stay off of this forum. If you honestly believe that the two are not on the same topic then you have been very misled.
Gordon, no one cares what you think. You are an fool.
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samie

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Posted: 04-27-04 17:31pm

The women who would have died from not terrminating were women who were told this by pro choice doctors.

I can assure you a direct abortion is not needed to save the mothers life.

A life saving operation on the mother that results in the baby dying is not an abortion, this itself does not include direct abortion procedures.

Poopoopoo,
"so it is worth pointing out that there is very little risk from legal abortions, in case anyone out there is wondering"

a slightly smaller risk from death than childbirth yes, but here is a pro choice quote

" in medical practice, there are few sergical procedures given so little attention and so underated in its potential hazards as abortion. It is a commonly held view that complications are inevitable"

dr warren hern - world renowned abortionist


i will be posting a topic on the complications you can have with your abortion in the near future
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Posted: 04-28-04 08:43am

No in my friend's case carrying the child was actually killing her. The doctors told her if she continued with the pregnancy she would surely die and the baby had a very, very small percent chance of making it. And even if the baby did make it, it was already very deformed and not developing properly. So maybe it is not a large percentage of the reason why women have abortions, but it does happen. And any doctor who says otherwise is lying.
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