Just the Truth: Abortion & Mothers Life Posted: 04-26-04 22:26pm
"abortion is war on women, cleverly
disguiesd as promotion fo their rights.
The truth is that abortin is never
neccessary, and has devastating physical
and mental effects on mothers."
"as obstetetricians and gynecologists, we
affirm that there is no medical
circumstances justifying direct abortion,
that is circumstances in which the life of
the mother may only be saved by directly
terminating the life of her unborn child"
eamon o'dwyer, prof of obstetrics &
gynecology, ucg
david jenkins, prof of obstetrics &
gynecology, ucc
kieran o'driscoll, prof of obstetrics
& gynecology, ucd
julia vaughan, consultant obstetrian &
gynecologist,
wher abortion is not an option, for
example in ireland doctors must channel
their skills and energies into saving
lives rather than resorting to the "bad"
medicine of abortion. Proof that this
situation is more beneficial to both
mother and child can be seen in the united
nations report(1993) stating "ireland is
the safest place in the world for a mother
to have a baby"
modern medicine
ectopic pregnancy is where a pregnancy
remains in the fallopian tube. It is
extremely rare in nature.The removal of an
ectopic pregancy is not in the abortion
debate and has never been considered as
such. Modern medicine has allowed
doctors to take the baby from the
fallopian tube and succesfully place it in
the womb
pre-eclamptic toxemia is high blood
presure with general swelling which may
lead to fits. This condition is now
completely managable. It generally
occures in the second half of pregnancy.
When severe, an early delievery will be
induced which will save the life of both
the mother and her child.
In modern medicine, mothers do not die.
Mothers are at risk only if they attened
"pro choice" doctors. High blood
presure, kidney and heart diseases respond
to treatment. To suggest as "pro choice"
doctors do abortion for high blood presure
is like cutting of a foot for an ingrown
toe nail.
Heart disease.
The incidence of heart disease in
pregnancy is extreamly low. In the
largest maternity hospital in europe
(holles st hospital in dublin) there were
558 cases of heart condition (both mild
and severe) to 159,680 births between 1969
and 1990 abortion would not have benefited
any of these mothers.
Numerous reports of heart surgery durring
pregnancy include succesful correction of
most types of congenital and acuired
cardiac disease. Maternal mortality is
dependant on the specific nature of the
procedure being performed and is not
increased in pregnancy. Succesfull
pregnancy following heart transplantation
has also been reported.
Destroy this temple and in three days, I
will raise it up
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-26-04 23:53pm
Pregnancy and childbirth can be extremely
dangerous. Every minute, a woman dies
from complications of pregnancy and
childbirth somewhere in the world
―at least 530,000 deaths per year.1
for each one who dies, another 30 to 50
suffer debilitating injury, infection or
disease. Maternal mortality represents
the greatest disparity between rich and
poor countries, with 99 percent of
maternal deaths occurring in the
developing world. In sub-saharan africa,
one woman in 16 dies from pregnancy or
childbirth, but only one woman in 4,000
dies in western europe.2 most of these
casualties could be prevented if women had
access to basic medical care during
pregnancy, childbirth and the post-partum
period.
The situation
· in developed countries, one woman in
2,800 dies from complications of pregnancy
and childbirth. In developing countries,
one woman in 67 dies.1
· in sweden, the country with the lowest
risk, one woman in 29,800 dies from
complications of pregnancy and childbirth.
At the other end of the scale are sierra
leone and afghanistan, where death comes
in pregnancy or childbirth for one woman
in six. 1
· teenage girls over 15 years of age are
twice as likely to die from childbirth as
are women in their 20s, while girls under
15 face five times greater risk. 3
· at least 35 percent of women in
developing countries receive no prenatal
care. Almost half give birth without a
skilled attendant (doctor, nurse or
trained midwife), and 70 percent receive
no care in the six weeks after delivery.
4
· obstructed labor, common worldwide, is
treated in developed countries by
caesarean section. Where emergency care
is not available, the mother and child
usually die. If the woman survives, she
may incur an obstetric fistula, an opening
between the vagina and rectum or bladder.
The result is unrelenting incontinence,
which leads to odor, infections and social
ostracism.
· more than one-third of all pregnancies
worldwide are unwanted. Each year, some
20 million unsafe abortions are performed,
killing nearly 78,000 women and disabling
hundreds of thousands more.5
· a quarter of all unsafe abortions—some 5
million—are performed on adolescent girls
aged 15-19. 5
· current funding is sufficient to provide
only one-eighth of the world’s currently
needed reproductive health supplies,
including maternal and neonatal healthcare
commodities.6 up to a third of maternal
mortality and morbidity could be avoided
if women had access to information and a
full range of modern, safe and effective
family planning methods.7
· one in every three women worldwide has
been beaten, raped, coerced into sex or
physically abused in some way – often by
someone she knows. 5 in the united
states, homicide is the leading cause of
death among pregnant women. 8
· women have an enormous impact on their
families’ welfare. One million children
die each year because their mother has
died. The risk of death for children
under 5 doubles if their mothers die in
childbirth. 2 women also contribute a
larger percentage of their earnings to
their family than men do. 5
· low-income women are far less likely to
have skilled care during childbirth. In
bolivia, 97.9 percent of births to women
of the richest fifth of the population
have a skilled attendant; while just 22.7
percent of the poorest women receive such
care during childbirth.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:02am
Way off topic.. By its very nature child
birth and abortion are two very different
things. Stay on topic if you would
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:04am
Excuse me -- you are the one who stated
that there was no risk of death in
childbirth.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:07am
No my dear friend I posted reputable
gynecologists statement that read
"as obstetetricians and gynecologists, we
affirm that there is no medical
circumstances justifying direct abortion,
that is circumstances in which the life of
the mother may only be saved by directly
terminating the life of her unborn child"
where in there do I state there is no risk
of death from child birth?
Nowhere!
Pulling, wool and eyes spring to mind
now stay on topic
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:46am
"in modern medicine, mothers do not die."
now, stay on topic, sweetpea.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:51am
If you read it in context you will agree.
They don't die because they didnt get an
abortion. They die from childbirth
reasons that do not pertain to the
abortion argument in other words none of
these reasons justify direct abortion.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:18am
Many women still die because they are
unable to get a legal abortion.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:34am
A much better post mr childish name. Your
getting better.
I agree with you a lot of women still die
because they can not obtain legal
abortions... No folks he/she isnt lying
this time.
Oh I almost forgot, thats places in the
world where medical care and medicine is
far behind that of western societies.
Introducing abortion into those countries
wont make it safer for women to have
children - no it will mean a lot more
children die from abortion not because the
women dont want their children but because
the women are affraid to die from child
birth. The answer is not the "bad"
medicine of abortion but the introduction
of better quality health care and
medicine.
Good post though!
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:44am
Those who want to see abortion
re-criminalised must recognise that women
would not stop seeking abortions. That
means women dying from illegal abortions.
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a Statement From Mr Gordon Drivelbottom Posted: 04-27-04 01:51am
Samie, you speak the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth. There is
simply no arguing with your points. It is
fact. Cold hard fact. Maybe in the
pro-choice fantasy land, people dont like
facts, but this is reality.
Abortion = abomination.
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jessechaseme
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Posted: 04-27-04 02:07am
Perhaps you should look up the word fact.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 02:13am
Yes mr childish name, studies, statistics
show if abortion were made ilegal a small
percentage of women would still seek
ilegal abortions and some of those would
die from them. Correct
if abortion remains legal a lot highier
percentage of women will seek legal
abortions and more women will die from
legal abortions.
Saddly sometimes both people die from
abortions if they are legal or not.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-27-04 02:17am
Fact: childbirth is a greater risk to
women's health and life than legal
abortion.
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jessechaseme
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Posted: 04-27-04 02:18am
Wow, that's a slippery slope if i've ever
heard one.
I love how you right wingers jump right in
there with your half wit analysis of how
this world will work if things were your
way.
Best,
jc
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 02:27am
Yes by a very very small percent. I am
sorry the office is now closed and I cant
get to the materials but I *think* its
less than 1%
the fact is childbirth is not in question
here abortion is
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Posted: 04-27-04 03:05am
So it is worth pointing out that there is
very little risk from legal abortions, in
case anyone out there is wondering.
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2ferano
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Posted: 04-27-04 09:18am
O.K samie I have respected your "facts" so
far, but the above post was just insane.
Whomever made those quotes is obviously
not very intelligent.
I personally know women who would have
died as a direct cause of childbirth if
they had not aborted their fetus. So,
right there that is not true.
And once again if you cannot accept the
fact that child birth is a factor in the
decision of having an abortion then you
need to stay off of this forum. If you
honestly believe that the two are not on
the same topic then you have been very
misled.
Gordon, no one cares what you think. You
are an fool.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 17:31pm
The women who would have died from not
terrminating were women who were told this
by pro choice doctors.
I can assure you a direct abortion is not
needed to save the mothers life.
A life saving operation on the mother that
results in the baby dying is not an
abortion, this itself does not include
direct abortion procedures.
Poopoopoo,
"so it is worth pointing out that there is
very little risk from legal abortions, in
case anyone out there is wondering"
a slightly smaller risk from death than
childbirth yes, but here is a pro choice
quote
" in medical practice, there are few
sergical procedures given so little
attention and so underated in its
potential hazards as abortion. It is a
commonly held view that complications are
inevitable"
dr warren hern - world renowned
abortionist
i will be posting a topic on the
complications you can have with your
abortion in the near future
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2ferano
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Posted: 04-28-04 08:43am
No in my friend's case carrying the child
was actually killing her. The doctors
told her if she continued with the
pregnancy she would surely die and the
baby had a very, very small percent chance
of making it. And even if the baby did
make it, it was already very deformed and
not developing properly. So maybe it is
not a large percentage of the reason why
women have abortions, but it does happen.
And any doctor who says otherwise is
lying.