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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-30-04 19:25pm
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I think you will find there is no such
definition of homicide in any statute.
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samie
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Posted: 04-30-04 20:28pm
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Then how come people go to prison for this
non statue thing called homicide?
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purple333
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Posted: 05-01-04 02:10am
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Lordy, lordy lordy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
try listening to yourselves, you just do
not get it do you, a baby deserves to live
with love, care & health & with a
family - but a mother deserves to
acknowledge that she is also a person, a
woman & that she may not be willing
for reasons that are not our business
(private reasons be they abuse, health -
hers or her babies, family whatever) that
sheis not willing to have a child now
& maybe not ever. If men had the
womb, we would not have this topic, there
would be very few if any babies born at
all, they don't have the guts to carry a
baby much less give birth & then care
for it.
To those up themselves pro-lifers try to
read my post & note that I say baby
not foetus, baby & if you read my
other posts you will see the same -
although in referring to the son I aborted
I say my son not the baby & not the/a
foetus. I think you should read a little
more carefully befroe you accuse
pro-choice people of never
doing/saying/calling.
Then again I think you should all have to
walk in the shoes of someone who had to
make a decision whether or not to abort -
& you should have to really find out
what it means to be that person before you
judge them.
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2ferano
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Posted: 05-01-04 06:53am
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Once again sammy that is not even slightly
logical. To have an operation that will
indefinately kill the baby but will save
the mother is fine. But to have an
abortion that will indefinately kill the
baby but will save the mother is not o.K.
Whatever.
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zilbucks
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Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 210 Location: NY
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Posted: 05-01-04 08:17am
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Exactly!!! And samie, no I will not
refer to it as an unborn human being,
becasue like you believe it is not a fetus
and wish to call it otherwise, I believe
it is a fetus and choose to call it as I
believe.
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jessechaseme
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Posted: 05-01-04 08:42am
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Say it loud, say it proud... Fetus. Very
good, again.... Fetus!
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bellax0femmina
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Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 823 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: 05-01-04 12:50pm
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Say it loud, say it proud... Human being.
Very good, again.... Human being!
<3
gaby
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purple333
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Posted: 05-01-04 13:32pm
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I am pro-choice & I call a baby a baby
even when it is still unborn but as a
pro-choicer I believe that a person be
they pro-choice or not has the right to
call an unborn baby a foetus.
In the end (or the beginning) does it
actually matter whether we say baby,
unborn child or foetus or use a foreign
word for that matter, we are arguing
semantics which are totally irrelevant to
the topic which is whether a woman should
have the right to have an abortion or not
or only under certain circumstances or
before a certain number of weeks etc
etc.
Everyone has a right (repeat right
 )
to their own view & I don't expect to
change yours, although I would like
everyone to have more open minds - open to
the idea that they might be wrong, that
there might be views out there that are
different (not wrong, just different) and
allowed even though they are different.
Sure we should draw lines but around the
edge of those lines is a huge grey area in
most cases.
Bigotry, narrow or closed minds do not
beget understanding or allow for change,
only open communication & a
willingness to really consider the
argument from another persons viewpoint
& shoes is the way to bring about
change & acceptance that none of us
are god & so none of us have all the
answers.
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jessechaseme
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Posted: 05-01-04 14:06pm
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I think you summed it up with the last
line. "no one has the answers" (not to
exclude myself.) if we'd keep that in mind
we would be a much better world... That's
why I think a woman should have the right
to choose. It keeps the option open no
matter what the sociably acceptable
opinion of the time.
Jesse
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zilbucks
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Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 210 Location: NY
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Posted: 05-01-04 15:17pm
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"noone has the answers" right. We try to
find the most accurate answers for laws
based mostly upon history, we learn about
history so we don't repeat it. Hence, why
abortion was legalized, .- noone claims it
to be 100% right, or wrong it is simply so
history wil not repeat itself.
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samie
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Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
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Posted: 05-01-04 21:13pm
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"try listening to yourselves, you just do
not get it do you, a baby deserves to live
with love, care & health & with a
family"
how can you say that, then say a baby
deserves to die because of inconvieniance?
It makes no sense at all
i am pro life, simply because I accept the
biological fact of the begining of a human
beings life, and also I believe(opinion)
it is wrong to kill inncocent human beings
for any reason. My "choice" is moral,
pragmatic and scientific.
The choice to abort is based entirly upon
opinion and the right to choose never the
less the right to life preceeds all other
rights. These women would not have the
choice to abort their child if they were
not given the right to life.
So therefore is it safe to say a womans
right to life is more important than their
her right to choose. So if we regard the
right to life more important than the
right to choose, why do we as equel human
beings allow the right to choose to kill a
certain class of human beings to
overshadow the right to life of that same
group.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 05-01-04 22:06pm
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So if a woman will kill herself rather
than remain pregnant, then her right to
life would be allowed?
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purple333
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Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 1420 Location: Sydney
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Posted: 05-01-04 23:16pm
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No, poopoopoo what the right to lifers are
saying is that so long as the pregnant
woman kills herself the fate of the baby
is irrelevant so all is copacetic (sp?)
you see to them the whole debate is over
if the pregnant woman is dead (they no
longer care about the baby after all it's
probably dead too!! & there's no-one
alive to blame or send to hell).
Still it does work well with points
elsewhere about the overpopulation of this
planet & the need to reduce said
population!! 
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zilbucks
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Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 210 Location: NY
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Posted: 05-02-04 03:21am
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Ayyye all this jibba jabba sammi- abortion
is legal, if you want to try and change it
become a politician - you don't like
abortion? Don't have one- er anymore.
Prolife women who don't have abortions
even if they were raped,etc- whatever
thats faaaaabulous for them, but you'll
just have to acknowledge that other people
have seperate beliefs- just like we can't
persuade you to believe what we think you
can't persuade pro choice to believe what
you think, and that's why this argument
goes on and on- you refuse to accept that
someone has a difference of opinion and
until we alllll see your way it won't
stop, so just save everyone alot of
annoyance and just allow us our opinions
instead of saying we're wrong
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zilbucks
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Posted: 05-02-04 16:56pm
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Yaaaaaaaay no response, I win 
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2ferano
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Posted: 05-03-04 08:47am
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Whooohooo! 
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bellax0femmina
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Posted: 05-03-04 10:54am
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I didnt get to read the post, so no you
didnt "win"!! You are wrong for believing
that its ok to kill an unborn baby,
because im sure you believe its not ok to
go kill a 40 year old person because hes
an inconvenience. Tahts where youre
wrong. The law is hypocritical and should
not be that way!
<3
gaby
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2ferano
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Posted: 05-03-04 11:22am
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Omg the "winning" was just a joke. And
for your information not all abortions are
for "convenience" as you put it.
Sometimes the mother and child will die if
the child is carried to term, sometimes a
girl is raped by her father, (no she
should not have to carry that baby) and if
a girl is raped by anyone for that matter
it is her choice whether or not she has to
give birth. It is not my choice, your
choice or anyone else's. It is hers.
I don't like people who get abortions just
because they did not feel like using
protection and then they fell pregnant,
but at the same time if they are that
irresponsible then they should not have
children anyway.
Bottom line, not our choice.
And no we are not "wrong" we have the law
on our side anyway.
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zilbucks
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 210 Location: NY
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Posted: 05-03-04 11:25am
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"i didnt get to read the post, so no you
didnt "win"!! You are wrong for believing
that its ok to kill an unborn baby,
because im sure you believe its not ok to
go kill a 40 year old person because hes
an inconvenience. Tahts where youre
wrong. The law is hypocritical and should
not be that way! "
talk about a sore loser.Juuuuuust kidding,
this is exactly what i'm talking about.
Your telling me i'm wrong for what my
beliefs are. You guys are showing me
facts that like someone else pointed out I
can argue with my own facts, maybe its not
so much your facts but your cynical
judgemental negative attitude that makes
me even more prochoice every single reply
that you post. Until you prolifers can
find hard proof of when a fetus -
yes*fetus becomes a human being, then ok
i'll aggree- but i'll still be prochoice-
and even then it will take a lot of
convincing from prolife to change the law
becasue they have such horrible my way or
no way attitudes, and that is not what
democracy is about. And paaaalease show
me one law that isn't hypocrytical of one
thing or another.
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jessechaseme
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