Just the Truth: Hard Cases, Rape Incest Posted: 04-26-04 22:43pm
Rape is a terrible crime of violence
against women. This appalling and
destructive violation leaves the victim
severely damaged. Sometimes she is
physically damaged. More often,
emotionaly. Anger, fear, guilt, disgust
and loss of self esteem will effect her.
This happens even when there is no
pregnancy as a result of rape.
By its very nature rape is a very
emotional topic, it rightly evokes
feelings of revulsion in the ordinary
person, but this can lead to illogical and
unfounded judgements with regard to
pregnancy as a result of rape. Rape
victims who are pregnant are offered
abortion as a solution. Is this what
they realy need?
Pregancy fro mrape is extreemly rare.
1. Thw woman may be infirtile at the
time. Monthly cycle , too old, too
young
2. The trauma of the assualt is likely
to inhibit ovulation.
3. Rape does not always involve a
complete act of intercourse
4 statistics worldwde show that the rate
of pregnancy arising form sexual assualt
is 0.1%
because pregnancy from rape is so rare,
there is little research availible,
however a study by Dr. Sandra mahkorn
entitled pregnancy and sexual assault was
the first of its kind in that it studied
pregnant rape victims in the usa
it produced starteling findings which
contradicted the commonly heald belife
that rape vicitms seek and need abortion.
This study provided proof of the
following arguments.
No solution
1 abortion is no solution. Rape victims
need long term care and compassion.
Society pretends that by killing the baby
it offeres a solution to the assualted
woman. Abortion does not make you
unpregnant it makes you the mother of a
dead baby. In dr mahkorns study most
pregnant sexual assault victims refused
abortion.
2. Abortion by its very nature is
intrusive and violent, and is a second
violation of the victims body. It can
produce the same kind of anger, fear, self
doubt etc that follows rape. For many
women abortion, like rape, is an
experience they will never forget. Most
women in the study felt abortion was an
act of violence and issues relating to the
rape experience, not the pregnancy were
the primary concern in counselling and
rehabilitation.
3. Prof. Of psychiatry patricia casey
stated in 1992 that pregnancy reduces the
risk of suicide in women by a factor of
six. Expectant mothers are six times less
likely to take their own lives one
important factor is that a pregnant
suicidal mother is unwilling to take the
resposibliltiy for taking the childs life
as well as her own.
4. Abortion can also cause physical
damage. It increases the chance of
miscarriage and makes .S.T.D’s like
chlamydia worse.
5. Abortion, acting as judge and jury
imposes a death sentence on an innocent
child for the crime of her father. The
baby is a newly formed and distinct human
being, she is not to blame for the method
of her conception why should she be
victimised by being killed? Many women in
the study spoke poignantly and
courageously of their desire to protect
the child in their wombs from such a
brutal death(see just the facts: abortion
methods.)
towards healing
1 women made pregnant by rape who do not
abort say that hostile and negitive
feelings towards the baby change during
pregnancy. Some women even decide to
abandon their plans to have the baby
adopted and decide to bring up the baby
themselves.
2. Some pregnant rape victims have said
that at a sub-conscience level if they do
through with the pregnancy, they will have
conquered the rape. Outlasting the
pregnancy shows they are better than the
rapist who brutalised them (indicting if
they abort they are in turn just as bad or
worse than the rapist)
3. Abortion should never be considered as
a treatment for incest, because it does
not solve the underlying cause. In fact
the ‘disposal’ of the evidence of incest
through abortion could subject the victim
to continued exploitation. Abortion in
effect becomes a convenient cover up for
the crime and hinders the prosecution of
the offender.
Destroy this temple and in three days, I
will raise it up
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-26-04 23:36pm
It must be a wonderful existence for you,
being so certain of everything, including
how everyone else in the world feels. If
there were more people like you in the
world, it would be a more wonderful and
better place, wouldn't it? No one would
be confused, or frightened, or full of
revulsion at the injustices and horrors
perpetrated daily. They would only need
to smile and see how wonderful they are,
just like you do, and know they are right.
How very lucky you are.
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samie
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Posted: 04-26-04 23:43pm
Mr childish name!
I wish to point out this is only the
truth. If you dont like the truth dont
read my posts. Most of all dont insult
me or people who wish to learn the truth.
Most of us are not arrogant, small minded
and short sighted people.
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Posted: 04-26-04 23:47pm
Truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the
beholder.
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samie
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Posted: 04-26-04 23:49pm
There are no two versons of truth, it is
by its very nature what it is the truth.
"who's truth mine or yours"
neither the truths truth
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:02am
The earth is flat.
The sun revolves around the earth.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:04am
Well, neither are true!
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:06am
And neither is it true that women do not
feel revolted to be carrying the foetus of
their rapist, just because you would like
it to be.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:23am
Again, I never said otherwise! I simply
stated these truths..
1. **women made pregnant by rape who do
not abort say that hostile and negitive
feelings towards the baby change during
pregnancy.** some women even decide to
abandon their plans to have the baby
adopted and decide to bring up the baby
themselves.
2. Some pregnant rape victims have said
that at a sub-conscience level if they do
through with the pregnancy, they will have
conquered the rape. Outlasting the
pregnancy shows they are better than the
rapist who brutalised them (indicting if
they abort they are in turn just as bad or
worse than the rapist)
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now then I even acknowledge the fact there
is hostile and negitive feelings towards
the unborn baby.
So where do you get off saying I said
something opposite to what I have actualy
said?
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:36am
There is nothing good or bad, but thinking
makes it so.
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Samie Speaks the Truth Posted: 04-27-04 00:41am
Samie is speaking the truth. You lot just
have such narrow minds that you cant
accept this. I have said it once and i''
say it again - go back to the kitchen
where you feminists belong.
Gordon drivelbottom has spoken.
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Posted: 04-27-04 00:42am
Go back to the sewer you crawled out of.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:19am
"there is nothing good or bad, but
thinking makes it so"
i am sorry but I must disagree!
Its like saying
aliens neither exist or dont exist,
thinking makes them so.
Either aliens exist or they dont, thinking
they exist dosnt make it so.
Either abortion is good or bad thinking it
is good dosnt nesicaraly make it so.
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:29am
And thinking it is "bad" doesn't make it
so either.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:38am
Exactly - there must be something else
that makes something intrinsicly good or
bad.
Without thinking either way on the
subject!
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:42am
Except that "good" and "bad" or "wrong"
and "right" are moral judgements.
Morality is not absolute, it is very much
a product of a particular culture and
power structure.
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:53am
Is it now?
Then can you explain how very differing
societies agree on a whole host of moral
subjects?
If I cut down all the trees in the world
this would be *bad* because we would all
die, now is it moral for me to cut down
all the trees just because I *think* it
would be a *good* idea.
Moarality is not decided by culture or
power structure but the repocucion of the
act. I.E we die due to lack of oxegen
because of no trees or a baby dies due to
abortion.
Yes there is benifits of me cutting down
the trees. We could all have free fuel
for our fires and plenty of free paper
reducing costs for business and a whole
host of land for building. Just as there
is a few benifits of abortion; however
because life is more important than money
and lifestyle. Cutting all the trees down
is morally worng the same as abortion is
morally wrong because it also kills
life.
Yes only one life but there are other
repocutions for all life as well including
the mother.
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Posted: 04-27-04 01:57am
Morality, and what is considered right and
wrong, are very different in different
cultures.
Let's think about polygamy, or beating
your wife, or capital punishment...
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samie
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Posted: 04-27-04 02:00am
No, lets think about life and death of
innocent human beings, what abortion
really is about.
If I had cut down the trees I would have
deserved to die, but you who never wouldnt
deserve to die.
This is similar to how I came to the
conclusion I deserved to die for having an
abortion and why I tried to comit suicide.
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Posted: 04-27-04 02:10am
Abortion is about the right of a woman to
control her own body and her own life,
when that has been invaded by a foreign
organism.
If a woman is happy to be pregnant, and
happy to bear the child (whether she
chooses to raise it or give it/sell it to
someone else), then no one is forcing her
to abort.
If she is pregnant against her will, or if
she does not believe it is right to bring
a handicapped or unwanted child into the
world, she should not be forced to let her
body be used as an incubator for someone
else's morality.