I am pro-choice. I'm very much in love
with my partner - we've been together for
two years and live together, and he has
cured every ill i've had. He is quite
literally, a ray of sunshine for me.
He's handsome, bright (post-graduate
physics) and extremely kind. He is also
a ray of sunshine for his family,
especailly since he has an adult brother
with severe learning difficulties (he
didn't learn to talk until he was about
10).
No, i'm not just ranting on about much I
love partner. The point is, he is
adopted. His mother was a university
student dating a mechanic, and both of
them were strict catholics. My partner
was an accident, and he was adopted when
he was about five weeks old, due to his
natural parents' religious beliefs.
This situation has given me quite a
dilemma since I am pro-choice. In many
ways I feel indebted to the catholic
church for 'giving' me my partner (even
though we're both atheists). I
especially feel grateful to my partner's
natural mother, for doing such a brave and
traumatic thing. I know that it must
have been very hard for her, but my
partner's parents provided him with a very
stable, happy, and financially secure
childhood - and I know she would be
incredibly proud of him if she could see
what a good life he's had. I don't doubt
that a day goes by when she doesn't wonder
if she did the right thing, and what he's
doing now - but by choosing not to have an
abortion she brought a lot of joy to a lot
of people (especially me - he's my rock
and I love him).
I don't know where this leaves me on the
abortion debate. All I know is that
there's nothing more miserable than a
child that isn't wanted or loved. It
might be contraversial, but I strongly
agree with the idea of giving girls free
contraceptive implants (and appropriate
education) in schools. Prevention is
always better than cure.
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samie
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Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 04-27-04 00:44am
Do you love your husband?
Would you rather he had been aborted since
he was born to his mother who didnt want
him. (i would rather my baby had a
chance to be loved)
does he regret not been aborted would he
rather of died than have you love him?
There is your answer - simple as that.
"every child a wanted child"
every child is wanted by somebody as your
husband is wanted by you. You are living
proof of this truth.
And darling, I could show you some sex
education from schools that would make you
very angry and scared for your children or
future children.
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Julia_Smith_21
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Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 37 Location: Essex, England
Posted: 04-27-04 01:28am
Why do you take such an interest in
abortion?
My partner is extremely lucky. I'm
originally from a very poor area, and it's
filled with unwanted children. Unwanted
children fill the local schools, and
beleive me, they're mostly little monsters
who'll go on to make exactly the same
mistakes as their 12 year-old parents.
I'm generalising, obviously - but still.
I don't think adoption is pushed enough as
an option for dealing with unwanted
pregnancy - it should be given exactly the
same attention that abortion is given in
schools. Abortion, adoption, and raising
an unwanted child are essentially
miserable scenarios, and their prevention
isn't given nearly enough attention.
In england, the nhs are currently (i
think) offering ivf to childless couples
free of charge, as if it's an illness.
While I sympathise with the couples, I
think it's extremely selfish to pursue ivf
when there are so many unhappy babies in
the world, who are just waiting for
somebody to love them.
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Gordon Drivelbottom
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a Kind Word to Mrs Smith Posted: 04-27-04 01:34am
Look mrs smith, I am sure that you think
that what your saying is correct, but
being pro-choice is actually a very evil
thing to be. It is actually
anti-nature.
Gordon drivelbottom has spoken
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Mesmerizeu15
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Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 2729 Location: Pittsburgh,PA
Posted: 04-27-04 01:43am
I dont post in here often because I have
never been in the shoes that some of the
girls, that are part of this forum, have
been in. But I do have a question. And
if someone could please send me a message
to my box and let me know, id appreciate
it.
What is the difference between pro-choice,
pro-life, etc.. I am so confused.
Did mrs. Smith mean that she wouldnt have
cared if someone is killed??
Im so lost!!
Thanks!
P.S. My name is stacie!!
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Julia_Smith_21
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Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 37 Location: Essex, England
Posted: 04-27-04 02:06am
There is nothing good or bad but thinking
makes it so.
And I hate to upset any harcore christians
but but i'm 21 and we're not married -
we're living in sin
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jessechaseme
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Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 232
Posted: 04-27-04 02:26am
Oh no! Not living in sin?!
you see... Certain people on this forum
like to think they are sinless. There is
no such thing. (not that sin even
exists!) some like to pack down there
life with guilt and fear and blame others
because they think they too should feel
guilty for the choices and happiness in
their life. Stay away from these folks.
They'll just make you miserable.
Abortion is the right choice for the women
who make it. Plain and simple.
Best,
jesse
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samie
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Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 04-27-04 18:30pm
I think its so strange every pro choicer
seems to hate christians or christian
ideologies, now you dont have to be a
christian to see that abortion is wrong.
Maybe you have to hate christian
ideologies to be pro choice. I dont know
much about religion but who is the group
that is most anti christian - satanists.
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sparklypixie12
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Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 3099
Posted: 04-27-04 18:51pm
What these people dont seem to realise is
that there are pro-life groups out there
who arent religious in any way,shape or
form. Some pro-choice people on here
can't seem to understand that there's
anyway someone who's prolife cannot be
religious.
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Gordon Drivelbottom
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Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 159 Location: England
Posted: 04-28-04 00:20am
Very well said sparkly. I am completely
anti-abortion and am only religious in the
sense that I was christned a catholic. I
am not religious. I do not go to church
and am not 100% convinced that there is a
god. So all of you shrill feminists
(jesse, poo, etc) put that in your pipe
and smoke it.
Gordon drivelbottom has spoken
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-28-04 01:19am
So I guess the anti-choice labby are happy
with the sort of chap they share their
opinions with.
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zilbucks
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Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 210 Location: NY
Posted: 04-29-04 07:30am
Im a christian, i'm pro choice...So what??
I think its pretty funny when someone
comes on here to say they are pro choice,
and are thankful that there bf was not
aborted, and all the prolifers jump down
her throat with little crazed questions.
The things is no offense to smith- if her
bf had been aborted* glad he wasn;t* she
would never have known that he would have
existed and chances are she would find
happiness with someone else. To ask if
she wishes he was or does he regret not
being aborted is absurd, they wouldn't
have known other wise. Everyone is happy
when you choose to allow a life to happen,
thats not always the case
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Julia_Smith_21
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Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 37 Location: Essex, England
Posted: 04-29-04 07:54am
That's a very clever response. I
considered somebody asking me if i'd
rather my boyfriend was dead too idiotic
to dignify a response, since my post
emphatically states how much I love him!
My boyfriend wouldn't be "dead" because
he'd have never existed in the first
place. I wouldn't know what I was
missing, and wouldn't care.
The way I see it, anti-abortionists are
the manifestation of a mysogynistic,
patriarchal ideology that hates to see
women take control of reproduction.
Pro-life is a distinctly american
phenomenon, and that's because it
challanges the ideological poles of
patriachy and family that construct
american society. So, pro-life
sentiments can be linked to nationalism
when considered in ideological terms.
What pro-lifers fail to realise, is that
women will need, and seek out abortions
whether the practice is legal or not. At
least when it's legal women are safe. In
the 'good old days' of abortion
prohibition, most women who tried to have
an abortion ended up dying horrific,
shameful, and agonised deaths. This is
what pro-lifers wish upon america's
women.
I recommend 'the cider house rules'
novel/film for anybody interested in the
abortion debate. It's about moral rules
that are enforced by people who have never
been in the situation they are trying to
control.
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zilbucks
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Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 210 Location: NY
Posted: 04-29-04 08:16am
Yep, I agree, in way I think being
prolife is also ignoring the fact that by
choosing this, they are also anti life for
the woman/girl who is carrying the child.
Which is why abortion laws were allowed,
in the prevention of unecessary deaths.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 04-29-04 09:22am
I am prochoice and I am american and I do
take a bit of offense to the above
comments about americans. Not a whole
lot, but to say that prolife is distinctly
an american phenomenon is a little
stereotypical. Especially since (on this
forum) most of the prolifers are from
england. Of course I know this little
forum is absolutely nothing in the big
picture, that statement just does not seem
fair. But, whatever.
And by the way, I also am a christian!
Not a devil worshiper, can you imagine?
Knowing that women need the right to
choose does not make a person evil or
satanistic. That was a very immature
response.
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Julia_Smith_21
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Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 37 Location: Essex, England
Posted: 04-29-04 16:08pm
But pro-life is an organisation that was
founded in america. I've never heard of
mad people murdering doctors or hurling
abuse and throwing offal at raped teenage
girls as they make the biggest decision of
their lives in britain.
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Julia_Smith_21
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Posted: 04-29-04 17:11pm
Thar post was moderated - it was meant to
say not a nice act doctors"
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2ferano
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Posted: 04-30-04 11:49am
Maybe not in britain, but not only in
america. That is not a fair statement at
all.
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Julia_Smith_21
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Posted: 04-30-04 18:20pm
Hey, i'm not demonising americans.
Pro-life is an american thing but of
course it has its sympathisers and
branches elsewhere. This debate
shouldn't be about nationalism or imagined
xenophobia.
