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jonsmit4
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precum in 5 seconds ?
Posted: 01-21-08 11:59am
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Me and my girlfriend were fooling around.
One thing lead to another and i put my
penis in her vagina for about 5 seconds.
i did not "go" but i was wondering if i
could have released pre-cum in that short
amount of time. i am really upset and
worried i might have gotten her pregnant.
we did not have a condom and she is not on
the pill.
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Posted: 01-21-08 12:11pm
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Anytime you have unprotected sex there is
a possibility of conception. However if it
was really 5 seconds I highly doubt she
got pregnant. If you are really concerned
if this was in the last 72 hours she can
get a plan B pill. Plan B is ment to stop
a fertilized egg from attaching to the
uterus. She would need a doctor to
prescribe it or the health clinic in most
states.
The pullout method is not a reliable form
of birth control and Plan B is not ment to
be used on a regular basis. You should
purchase a box of condom and she should go
get birth control if you two intend to
continue having sex.
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jonsmit4
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Posted: 01-21-08 12:22pm
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thanks for the help, can pre-cum really
cause pregnancy, ive heard different
things at different sites. thank you again
for your time we dont plan on having sex
again. it was a one time thing and we both
regret it.
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Posted: 01-21-08 12:30pm
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futureshock posted something about
that...
unless you previously ejaculated, there
should be no sperm in your pre-cum.
They've tested samples and NONE of them
came back positive for sperm... I'll look
for the post...
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Posted: 01-21-08 12:42pm
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The source for that study was actually a
blog by someone who read stuff.
There are conflicting arguements on
subject and I think its best to assume
theres a possibility and always aire on
the side of caution.
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Posted: 01-21-08 12:47pm
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yes, but Plan B is not a birth control
method either. 5 seconds (whether he pumps
or not) is not enough to be completely
worried and flip out and get a huge dose
of hormone that is most likely not needed.
Although I do agree you do need to get a
box of condoms/ birth control if you plan
on continuing having sex.
but again it's my opinion and obviously
not to be taken to like I'm a goddess and
know everything...
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Posted: 01-21-08 12:50pm
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| ~dani~
wrote: | The source for that study
was actually a blog by someone who read
stuff.
There are conflicting arguements on
subject and I think its best to assume
theres a possibility and always aire on
the side of
caution. |
I have posted the actual study right out
of a medical journal.
Here is is again
Does preejaculatory penile secretion
originating from Cowper's gland contain
sperm?
Zukerman Z, Weiss DB, Orvieto R.
Department of Obstetrics and
Gynecology, Rabin Medical Center, Petah
Tikva, Israel.
PURPOSE: To determine if spermatozoa
are present in the preejaculatory penile
secretion, originating from Cowper's
gland. METHODS: DESIGN: Prospective
clinical and laboratory study. SETTING:
Andrology and Sex Counseling Unit,
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology,
Academic Teaching Hospital. PATIENTS: Five
patients referred for premature
ejaculation, three for excessive fluid
secreted during foreplay and four normal
healthy volunteers. INTERVENTION: Glass
slide smears of preejaculatory Cowper's
gland secretion obtained during foreplay
from at least two different occasions, and
semen samples after masturbation. MAIN
OUTCOME MEASURES: Microscopic examination
of air-dried smears, and routine semen
analyses. RESULTS: None of the
preejaculatory samples contained sperm.
All the patients had sperm in routine
sperm analyses. CONCLUSIONS:
Preejaculatory fluid secreted at the tip
of the urethra from Cowper's gland during
sexual stimulation did not contain sperm
and therefore cannot be responsible for
pregnancies during coitus interruptus.
PMID: 12762415 [PubMed - indexed for
MEDLINE]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e
ntrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=
AbstractPlus&list_uids=12762415
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Posted: 01-21-08 12:59pm
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| ~dani~
wrote: | Anytime you have unprotected
sex there is a possibility of conception.
However if it was really 5 seconds I
highly doubt she got pregnant. If you are
really concerned if this was in the last
72 hours she can get a plan B pill. Plan B
is ment to stop a fertilized egg from
attaching to the uterus. She would need a
doctor to prescribe it or the health
clinic in most states.
The pullout method is not a reliable form
of birth control and Plan B is not ment to
be used on a regular basis. You should
purchase a box of condom and she should go
get birth control if you two intend to
continue having
sex. |
You are correct that the pull out method
is not a reliable form of birth control.
This is for two reasons:
1) There can be sperm in pre-ejaculate if
you have ejaculated recently, earlier in
the day, because the leftover sperm can
mix with the pre-ejaculate and cause
pregnancy.
2) Most young men can not control
ejaculation efficiently enough to pull out
in time. That's why the failure rate is
upwards of 27%.
The way Plan B works is NOT by causing the
fertilized egg not to implant, but by
delaying ovulation. This is why it must
be taken with a few days or else it will
not work. Plan B has no effect on a
fertilized egg or an established
pregnancy.
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Posted: 01-21-08 13:02pm
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O I read somewhere it was 
Y do ppl have such a problem with it then?
you know like comparing it to abortion?
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Posted: 01-21-08 13:08pm
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I'd say because it interrupts natural
courses. If it was meant to happen,
nothing should interfere with it. Abortion
is definitely more major in my eyes
because once the heart starts beating (in
my eyes) you're taking a life. But if it
just stops the egg and sperm from joining,
then no real life was taken.
(if you ask me my views on abortion, I'm
still not 100%)
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Posted: 01-21-08 13:30pm
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| ~dani~
wrote: | O I read somewhere it was
Y do ppl have such a problem with it then?
you know like comparing it to
abortion? |
Because the pro-life people who are
anti-birth control say that Plan B (and
all forms of birth control that aren't
barrier methods like condoms) cause
fertilize eggs to not implant.
In nature, with no contraception, just
normal unprotected sex, 9 out of 10
conceptions die before birth. Most happen
before a woman even knows she is pregnant.
You cannot prove a negative. You cannot
prove that Plan B does not cause one of
these fertilized eggs not to implant. You
cannot prove that watching a scary tv show
didn't cause it. You can't prove that
eating at MacDonald's didn't cause it.
See where I am going with this?
However, no scientific study has EVER been
able to show that Plan B DOES cause a
fertilized egg not to implant.
Here is where the mistaken idea first came
from:
Studies showed that women on the birth
control pill had a thinner lining of the
uterine wall than women not on the pill.
(Which is why a period is lighter when you
are on the pill.) Some people (and if I
can find the story I'll post it) who are
against bc took that to mean that, if a
woman on the birth control did ovulate
(even though the way the pill works is to
stop ovulation), and that egg got
fertilized, it would fail to implant
because the lining of the uterus was too
thin.
What they did not know was, the reason the
lining of the uterus was thinner in women
who were on the pill was PRECISELY because
they did not ovulate. OVULATION is what
stimulates the lining of the uterus to
thicken up. SO, if a woman on the pill
DID ovulate, the lining WOULD thicken up,
and the egg would implant. This is how
babies are born to women on the pill.
This would never happen if the lining of
their uterus was too thin.
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Posted: 01-21-08 13:34pm
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| futureshock
wrote: |
In nature, with no contraception, just
normal unprotected sex, 9 out of 10
conceptions die before birth. Most happen
before a woman even knows she is pregnant.
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so
where do they get their data from that? if
the woman doesn't know she's pregnant and
gets her period like she always does, how
do the doctors/people that collect data
know she was pregnant?
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Posted: 01-21-08 14:13pm
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In nature, with no contraception, just
normal unprotected sex, 9 out of 10
conceptions die before birth. Most happen
before a woman even knows she is pregnant.
^^ i wouldnt say they die
the egg just probably didnt attach to the
walls or something
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Posted: 01-21-08 16:37pm
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that makes a lot of sense, about the
lining and what not.
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Posted: 01-21-08 16:49pm
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thanks for all the help. i feel a little
better now. however my girlfriend told me
she was feeling naushes (sp) and sick to
her stomach. i know this is a sympton of
pregnancy but i think its too soon for hre
to have symptoms already. its only been
two days. is it her being really nervous
or do i need to worry
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Posted: 01-21-08 17:05pm
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ya its far to early for nausea symptoms
shes probably getting sick or making
herself sick with nerves
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Posted: 01-21-08 17:26pm
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thanks for all the help i feel alot better
now
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Posted: 01-21-08 18:12pm
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yep its definately too soon for any
symptoms
shes just thinking about it too much
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Posted: 01-21-08 20:28pm
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| Lilly Ivy
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: |
In nature, with no contraception, just
normal unprotected sex, 9 out of 10
conceptions die before birth. Most happen
before a woman even knows she is pregnant.
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so
where do they get their data from that? if
the woman doesn't know she's pregnant and
gets her period like she always does, how
do the doctors/people that collect data
know she was
pregnant? |
From research on fertility and
miscarriages, etc.: The part in bold is
the beginning of a direct answer to this
question:
source
It is estimated by multiple sources and
authors and has been for decades that at
the very beginning of life, of human
development, of conception, about 50
percent of all potential human beings have
a chromosome abnormality, mostly a lethal
chromosome abnormality. Chromosome
abnormalities are the commonest cause of
death in humans. They kill at the very
minimum two-thirds of potential humans,
more likely 80 to 90 percent and they
mostly do so through these lethal
aneuploidies.
PROF. SANDEL: Thank you. I have two
questions about the rate of natural embryo
loss in human beings. The first is what
percent of fertilized eggs fail to implant
or are otherwise lost? And the second
question is is it the case that all of
these lost embryos contain genetic defects
that would have prevented their normal
development and birth?
DR. OPITZ: The answer to your first
question is that it is enormous. Estimates
range all the way from 60 percent to 80
percent of the very earliest stages,
cleavage stages, for example, that are
lost.
PROF. SANDEL: Sixty to 80 percent?
DR. OPITZ: Sixty to 80 percent. And one of the
objective ways of establishing the loss
at least as of the moment of
implantation, well, even earlier, let's
say as of five days because the blastocyst
begins to make a chorionic gonadotrophin
and with extremely sensitive assay
methods, you can detect the presence of
gonadotrophins, let me say, first around
Day 7. That's the beta of human chorionic
gonadotrophin. And if you follow
prospectively the cycles that has been
done on quite a few occasions in the
Permanente study in Hawaii and so on, a
group of women, of nonfertility, who want
to conceive and you detect the first sign
of pregnancy there of human chorionic
gonadotrophin, about 60 percent of those
pregnancies are lost.
It is independently corroborated by the
fact that the monozygotic twin conception
rate at the very beginning is much, much
higher than the birth rate and then if you
follow with amniocentesis, the presence of
the two sacs in about 80 percent of
cases,the second sac disappears, one of
the sacs disappears.
In my own
lab in Helena where I did all of the
autopsies on all pregnancy losses for 18
years, the rate of chromosome
abnormalities was a little bit higher.
| the_girlfriend
wrote: | In nature, with no
contraception, just normal unprotected
sex, 9 out of 10 conceptions die before
birth. Most happen before a woman even
knows she is pregnant.
^^ i wouldnt say they die
the egg just probably didnt attach to the
walls or
something |
That's exactly right.
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