A look 35 years after Roe vs. Wade Posted: 01-22-08 13:09pm
POSTED ON JANUARY 16, 2008:
Illegal Abortions Return
Women's reproductive rights are losing
ground
Women have fewer reproductive rights now
than when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in
Roe. v. Wade that banning abortions is
unconstitutional under the due process
clause of the 14th Amendment.
The court decided in 1973 that the
procedure is legal because the government
must respect all of a person's legal
rights with regard to her life, liberty or
property. However, that view -- that women
have the right to make medical decisions
about their health -- has been eroded by
state and federal laws and more recent
Supreme Court rulings, according to
Jennifer Branch, a local attorney and
reproductive rights advocate.
"Abortion's still legal, and most women
have access to an abortion, but look at
all the hoops they have to jump through,"
she says. "The criminalization of abortion
is one of the big changes. This is the
only surgical procedure in Ohio that is
criminalized. In other words, a doctor
will go to prison and lose her medical
license if she doesn't follow these rules
-- and there are a lot of them."
Ohio law assumes women are either too
stupid or emotionally distraught to make
their own decisions regarding pregnancy.
One law requires a doctor to give his
patient two booklets of information
prepared by the state: One is about the
development of a fetus, including
illustrations, and the other is a list of
options other than abortion available to
women.
A more recent requirement is that a woman
must visit a doctor to obtain "informed
consent" 24 hours in advance of the
procedure. Only then are women allowed to
get a legally performed abortion.
"That is a new step in the last couple of
years in Ohio and that is a huge obstacle
for abused women," Branch says. "It's hard
enough to get away once to go to the
clinic. Now you've got to get away twice."
The stigma of shame and cruelty that has
been systematically used to vilify those
seeking and performing abortions hasn't
been limited to adult legislation. Minors
who wish to get an abortion must now have
parental permission.
That doesn't seem like a big deal: Minors
can't do a lot of things unless mom or dad
says it's OK. But this law has already
been proven to have deadly consequences
because illegal abortions are being used
to avoid getting this permission.
"The last woman who had any publicity was
the minor in Indiana who didn't want to
let her parents know -- and she had an
illegal abortion and she died," Branch
says. "It's been a long time and so people
aren't educated by the reality of what
happens when abortion becomes illegal."
That girl was 17-year-old Becky Bell who,
even on her deathbed, was too embarrassed
to tell her parents what happened.
Thanks to a new federal law banning what
is commonly referred to as a "partial
birth abortion," we're that much closer to
more illegal procedures, according to
Branch.
"The Supreme Court held in April of '07
that the federal ban on that procedure is
constitutional," she says. "That was a
huge decision because the federal law does
not allow an exception for the health of
the woman. I'm sure the anti-abortion
advocates are still jumping up and down
about that decision because that clears
the way for more winnowing away of
reproductive rights because we no longer
need to worry about the health exception
for the woman.
"So what if a medical procedure would be
so much safer for her? We don't care, we
want to ban it for political reasons --
not for medical reasons, political
reasons."
The medical procedure the law bans is
actually called an "intact D&E." But
calling it "partial birth abortion"
politicizes the issue and opens the door
for banning other procedures deemed
unacceptable, Branch says.
"When (I) ... have some sort of medical
problem, I turn to my doctor and ask a
bunch of questions," she says. "What are
my choices? What are the pros and cons?
That is my right to talk to my doctor
about my medical issue, and I decide which
medical procedure I want. That should be
true regardless of what the medical
procedure is, whether that's breast cancer
or pregnancy."
Is there a real threat to the end of legal
abortions in our lifetime?
"Absolutely," Branch says. "This is a
political fight. This is not about
medicine. It's not about women being able
to choose for themselves about what
medical procedure to have. This is about
politics."
In her lone dissent, Supreme Court Justice
Ruth Bader Ginsburg delivered a scathing
criticism to her peers on this point.
"The term partial-birth abortion' is
neither recognized in the medical
literature nor used by physicians who
perform second-trimester abortions," she
wrote. "Throughout, the opinion refers to
obstetrician-gynecologists and surgeons
who perform abortions not by the titles of
their medical specialties but by the
pejorative label abortion doctor.' ... A
fetus is described as an unborn child' and
as a baby.' "
Ginsburg then points out how lawyers are
second-guessing judgments by medical
professionals as further evidence that the
decision is founded more on opinion than
fact.
"Today's decision is alarming," she wrote.
"It tolerates, indeed applauds, federal
intervention to ban nationwide a procedure
found necessary and proper in certain
cases by the American College of
Obstetricians and Gynecologists. The
reasoned medical judgments of highly
trained doctors are dismissed as
preferences' motivated by mere
convenience.' "
Branch says she's reluctant to say Roe is
on "life support," but her prognosis isn't
good.
"There's a lot more coming along in terms
of chipping away at Roe v. Wade," she
says.
That's terrible...
I'm glad this president is leaving.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 01-22-08 21:11pm
I like to hear about 1973. That's the year
I was born. Gosh I'm going to be 35!
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 01-23-08 12:23pm
363 more days.......
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yodavater
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Re: A look 35 years after Roe vs. Wade Posted: 01-24-08 12:57pm
Birch
wrote:
That girl was 17-year-old Becky Bell who,
even on her deathbed, was too embarrassed
to tell her parents what happened.
Just google the phrase "Becky Bell
pneumonia" and you will get several sites
that say that she had a miscarriage and
died of pneumonia, not an abortion.
examples:
Realchoice.0catch.com is a pro-life site;
thus, of course they're going to scrounge
for any evidence to discount Becky's
death. That is not a valid source.
Gargaro.com is also a pro-life site, so
for the same reasons, it is not a valid
source.
Go find a neutral, non-pro-anything site
to prove that Becky died of pneumonia.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-24-08 13:37pm
Eiri
wrote:
Go find a neutral, non-pro-anything site
to prove that Becky died of
pneumonia.
Why? The sites which claim that an
illegal abortion was the COD are most
certainly prochoice...... so what?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-24-08 13:42pm
What was her official cause of death? What
was written on her death certificate?
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-24-08 13:47pm
Eiri
wrote:
What was her official cause
of death? What was written on her death
certificate?
Are all death certificates absolutely
accurate?
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sistersister
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Posted: 01-24-08 13:58pm
For the lover of dictionary definitions
... Webster's Scholastic
Dictionary...Abort 1. To miscarry in givng
birth. Abortion n. A miscarriage.
Another example of what happens when legal
safe abortion is made inaccesable to
women:
Mcallen Texas, Rosaura (Rosie) Jimenez,
27, single mother of a five year old died
from septicemia from a illegal abortion
obtained in Mexico. Rosie and her five
year old relied on medicaid to recieve
medical services. She sought a illegal
abortion after finding out medicaid would
not pay for her abortion. Rosie Jimenez
is known as the first victim of the Hyde
admendment that bans the use of medicaid
for abortions of most low income women.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-24-08 14:01pm
sistersister
wrote:
For the lover of dictionary definitions
... Webster's Scholastic
Dictionary...Abort 1. To miscarry in givng
birth. Abortion n. A miscarriage.
And your point would be.......??
sistersister
wrote:
Mcallen Texas, Rosaura (Rosie) Jimenez,
27, single mother of a five year old died
from septicemia from a illegal abortion
obtained in Mexico.
I've never denied that abortions, both
legal and illegal, do sometimes kill
women. But it's always true that those
abortions were done by prochoicers, never
by a prolifer. So basically what you're
saying is that if we make abortion
illegal, then you prochoicers will kill
more women.
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Birch
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Posted: 01-24-08 14:02pm
Dogganit, Yoda. Not surprised by that
lovely tactic. Keep on with this, it
helps the prochoice advocates.
Eiri didn't say that the death certificate
is one hundred percent accurate, just
wanted to know what was written on the
death certificate. Incidentally, her
parents have become anti parental consent
law advocates. Maybe you can ask them why
they decided to do something like that.
*shrugs*
This whole Becky Bell nitpick is a
distraction from the issue at hand.
It is obvious that as more restrictions
can be applied to X, it will be difficult
to obtain X.
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sistersister
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Posted: 01-24-08 14:02pm
Rosaura died October 3, 1978.
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-24-08 14:04pm
Birch
wrote:
It is obvious that as more restrictions
can be applied to X, it will be difficult
to obtain X.
Quite true. Just as it is more difficult
to hire someone to kill someone else,
because there are restrictions on that
imposed by criminal laws.
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Birch
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Posted: 01-24-08 14:05pm
Birch
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Dogganit, Yoda. Not
surprised by that lovely tactic. Keep on
with this, it helps the prochoice
advocates.
Eiri didn't say that the death certificate
is one hundred percent accurate, just
wanted to know what was written on the
death certificate. Incidentally, her
parents have become anti parental consent
law advocates. Maybe you can ask them why
they decided to do something like that.
*shrugs*
This whole Becky Bell nitpick is a
distraction from the issue at hand.
It is obvious that as more restrictions
can be applied to X, it will be difficult
to obtain X.
Add: This is a political fight. This is
not about medicine. It's not about women
being able to choose for themselves about
what medical procedure to have. This is
about politics."
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Posted: 01-24-08 14:37pm
I have decided that not only is Yoda
unwilling to present his own opinions (I
have no idea if he's incapable of forming them,
but if he is, he choses not to share
them), he is unwilling to answer almost
all questions presented to him, and he
will obfuscate and dance and throw an
entire thread off topic just to evade
stating his opinions and answering
questions. He doesn't debate. He
squabbles.
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Posted: 01-25-08 23:33pm
Back to that question of real, up to date
and accurate information yoda.. which I
note you once again lack.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 01-26-08 11:01am
sistersister
wrote:
For the lover of dictionary
definitions ... Webster's Scholastic
Dictionary...Abort 1. To miscarry in givng
birth. Abortion n. A miscarriage.
Another example of what happens when legal
safe abortion is made inaccesable to
women:
Mcallen Texas, Rosaura (Rosie) Jimenez,
27, single mother of a five year old died
from septicemia from a illegal abortion
obtained in Mexico. Rosie and her five
year old relied on medicaid to recieve
medical services. She sought a illegal
abortion after finding out medicaid would
not pay for her abortion. Rosie Jimenez
is known as the first victim of the Hyde
admendment that bans the use of medicaid
for abortions of most low income
women.
this is what happens when somebody decides
to kill someone.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 01-26-08 11:42am
There is a group of people in COlorado
trying to get enough support together so
they can pass an amendment proclaiming
that at conception the zygote is a person.
This dangerous legislation has the
possible ramifications of making birth
control illegal, Plan B illegal, and could
even seek to prosecute women if they
engaged in behavior thought to be risky
and ended up having a miscarriage. IT's
pretty frightening.
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sillyakchick
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nightangel73
wrote:
sistersister
wrote:
For the lover of dictionary
definitions ... Webster's Scholastic
Dictionary...Abort 1. To miscarry in givng
birth. Abortion n. A miscarriage.
Another example of what happens when legal
safe abortion is made inaccesable to
women:
Mcallen Texas, Rosaura (Rosie) Jimenez,
27, single mother of a five year old died
from septicemia from a illegal abortion
obtained in Mexico. Rosie and her five
year old relied on medicaid to recieve
medical services. She sought a illegal
abortion after finding out medicaid would
not pay for her abortion. Rosie Jimenez
is known as the first victim of the Hyde
admendment that bans the use of medicaid
for abortions of most low income
women.
this is what happens when somebody decides
to kill someone.
So are you really saying she deserved to
die? And her five year old deeserved to
be an orphan? I hope not, 'cause that's
really sad.
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