Realchoice.0catch.com is a
pro-life site; thus, of course they're
going to scrounge for any evidence to
discount Becky's death. That is not a
valid source.
Gargaro.com is also a pro-life site, so
for the same reasons, it is not a valid
source.
Go find a neutral, non-pro-anything site
to prove that Becky died of
pneumonia.
I haven't looked at ANY
sites regarding Becky, but what strikes me
is this: Wouldn't a [so-called] pro-life
site want to play up the fact that an
abortion killed this girl? Of course it
was an illegal abortion, but still.
Wouldn't anti-choicers want to grasp at
any straw pointing to the correlation of
abortion and death in women who have them?
(Distorted logic, I know...but the
anti-choicers aren't exactly the most
logical people on earth.)
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-26-08 17:07pm
nightangel73
wrote:
sistersister
wrote:
For the lover of dictionary
definitions ... Webster's Scholastic
Dictionary...Abort 1. To miscarry in givng
birth. Abortion n. A miscarriage.
Another example of what happens when legal
safe abortion is made inaccesable to
women:
Mcallen Texas, Rosaura (Rosie) Jimenez,
27, single mother of a five year old died
from septicemia from a illegal abortion
obtained in Mexico. Rosie and her five
year old relied on medicaid to recieve
medical services. She sought a illegal
abortion after finding out medicaid would
not pay for her abortion. Rosie Jimenez
is known as the first victim of the Hyde
admendment that bans the use of medicaid
for abortions of most low income
women.
this is what happens when somebody decides
to kill
someone.
They illegalize the use of medicaid for
abortions? Yeah, I can see how that would
be an effective way to kill a lot of
people.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-26-08 17:09pm
sed_grep_awk
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
Realchoice.0catch.com is a
pro-life site; thus, of course they're
going to scrounge for any evidence to
discount Becky's death. That is not a
valid source.
Gargaro.com is also a pro-life site, so
for the same reasons, it is not a valid
source.
Go find a neutral, non-pro-anything site
to prove that Becky died of
pneumonia.
I haven't looked at ANY
sites regarding Becky, but what strikes me
is this: Wouldn't a [so-called] pro-life
site want to play up the fact that an
abortion killed this girl? Of course it
was an illegal abortion, but still.
Wouldn't anti-choicers want to grasp at
any straw pointing to the correlation of
abortion and death in women who have them?
(Distorted logic, I know...but the
anti-choicers aren't exactly the most
logical people on
earth.)
No, they want to prove that the abortion
didn't kill her because they don't want
people to realise that illegal abortions -
caused by pro-life laws - kill more than
they save. They also want to take away and
pro-choice "bullet" in the debate, no
matter how illogical that decision may be.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 01-26-08 21:54pm
nightangel73
wrote:
sistersister
wrote:
For the lover of dictionary
definitions ... Webster's Scholastic
Dictionary...Abort 1. To miscarry in givng
birth. Abortion n. A miscarriage.
Another example of what happens when legal
safe abortion is made inaccesable to
women:
Mcallen Texas, Rosaura (Rosie) Jimenez,
27, single mother of a five year old died
from septicemia from a illegal abortion
obtained in Mexico. Rosie and her five
year old relied on medicaid to recieve
medical services. She sought a illegal
abortion after finding out medicaid would
not pay for her abortion. Rosie Jimenez
is known as the first victim of the Hyde
admendment that bans the use of medicaid
for abortions of most low income
women.
I thought you were pro-life NA.. not just
pro-fetal-life. So you think any woman who
decides to abort deserves to die? That her
children deserve to live motherless? Its
ok to kill the women but don't touch the
nonperson parasite inside her?
this is what happens when somebody decides
to kill
someone.
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yodavater
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Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 01-27-08 14:35pm
Birch
wrote:
Add: This is a political fight. This is
not about medicine.
"
Quite true. Protecting innocent life is
about "politics", not medicine.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 01-27-08 18:17pm
yodavater
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
I'm more likely to be converted by a
long-missing Guest than by Yoda.
.
Why not just start a special thread
dedicated to nothing other than bashing
Yoda?
That way you wouldn't derail so many other
threads, ya
know?
given that you stated in your post on PLA
you were going to disrupt other abortion
debate sites I can only conclude you found
exactly what you sought.. we are still
waiting for you on GN btw.. if, of course,
you can hack it.
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 01-28-08 03:25am
I remember hearing about the planned
"raid" on all sites that support women's
reproductive freedom. I'm trying to be
respectful here but if anyone from the
terrorism site shows up at home it's going
to get very ugly.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 01-28-08 07:11am
Given that we have the no holds barred
area on GN I think he and his little
cohorts are simply not brave enough. Since
yoda and old faithman are men and cannot
possibly actually understand what it is to
be pregnant nor to be faced with the
decision to abort or gestate; I'd say yoda
has never had a miscarriage; late or early
term and he's never had his life
threatened by hemorraging after the birth
I really don't see that he has anything to
actually base this control trip on.
He carries no risk.
He wants to force women to though.
and yoda: a friend of mine on that board
you are afraid of posted: Oh and as for
"the baby is innocent", well so are the
bacteria down my toilet, they didn't ask
to be put there, they were a result of my
own actions, doesn't stop me from removing
them with bleach.
Which is abosolutely true.
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Snug
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Posted: 01-28-08 09:56am
Yoda's backstory appears to be that some
woman had an abortion against his wishes
after he impregnated her. While I feel
bad for men in that predicament, I also
believe it is a cautionary tale. Discuss
such things BEFORE you get naked and honk
the bobo, not after the pee test has a +
on it.
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Birch
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Posted: 01-28-08 11:04am
yodavater
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Add: This is a political fight. This is
not about medicine.
"
Quite true. Protecting innocent life is
about "politics", not
medicine.
Don't forget this part: "It's not about
women being able to choose for themselves
about what medical procedure to have."
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sistersister
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Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 145 Location: ,
Posted: 01-28-08 19:32pm
Yes the "prolife" retorhic is all about
politics. They know that to get their
agenda passed they need to remove the
woman from the pregnancy or at least make
her somhow less "pure" than the so called
"innocent" zef. Hence the zef is
"Innocent" and the woman is not. Some how
becuase she has had sex, even sex forced
on her in rape and incest, she has become
non innocent and tainted.
Innocent is a legal term (except when used
as in the prolife semantics as a appeal
knee jerk emotion) A zef can not be either
innocent or guilty as it is not a person
and does not have the capability to to
process or commit a breach in the law.
If yoda was so irresponsible that he got
some woman pregnant not knowing her well
enough to know she would abort the
pregnancy than that is simply his fault.
I doubt that forcing all women to carry
pregnancies to term against their will is
going to change for one second that yoda
was irresponsible. Although I'll bet that
having a woman tell him to bugger off is
one of the reasons he spends time at the
clinic. Where else can he yell at women
and denounce them for thinking for
themselves and still have some folk who
think he is civil.
Abortion rights are about the womans right
to her bodily atonamy, about the right not
to have something attached to and feeding
off of her body that she does not want or
give consent to.
Anti abortion rights is all about control
of anothers body and forcing ones beliefs
on women without taking any responsibility
for the outcome.
