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scottchambers60

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laser surgery for herniated disc
Posted: 01-24-08 17:04pm

Ok I just wanted to share my story with others who may be in a similar predicament. I am not advocating laser surgery over other methods; but simply giving an account of my experiences. A little bit about myself; my name is Scott. I am a 33 year old male, 5'11" tall, 173 pounds, and was an officer in the Air Force up until six months ago. Now I am a student pilot learning to fly helicopters.

The first time I noticed any pain was around early January '07 (although not from any specific event that I am aware of). When I would bend over to tie my shoes I would get a flash of pain in my back. Nothing too bad though and I didn't think too much of it. After about two months however the pain was still present (but totally manageable). I talked to my flight surgeon who concluded I had a pulled muscle in my back and that it would heal on it's own over time. I separated from a Air Force about two months later and continued doing the stretching and exercises they had shown me but the pain never went away.

In late September '07 I moved to Louisiana to attend my flight school and my dad and I moved all my things up to a second story apartment. I believe this was the "straw" that broke the camel's back. A few days after moving in I began to experience pain radiating down my left leg and the pain in my back began to get much worse. I talked to a doctor and he informed me that I most likely had a herniated disc. An MRI confirmed a herniation of the L4-L5 disc. I went to my local Veterans Affairs office to see if I could get help seeing as this was a preexisting condition before I left the service. After dealing with them for several weeks all I will say is that the entire VA system is totally and forever messed up beyond all help. At this point I felt totally screwed. I do not have medical insurance and by this time my pain was so severe I couldn't attend school anymore. The clinic doctor told me I would need surgery because the pain hadn't gone away after two months of physical therapy. I started looking for a cheaper alternative to traditional back surgery (which would probably take up all of my remaining school money) and settled on trying laser spinal surgery at Microspine located in the Florida panhandle.

After scheduling my surgery with Microspine I got a date that was about 7 weeks out. Most of this time waiting was spent on my back at my parents house; I had pretty much lost the ability to care for myself at this point. Microspine appointments work like this: It is a four day procedure and costs 16,900.

Day One = In-processing and MRI/Xray consulation. Dr. Mork examined me and informed me that I did indeed have a "moderately" herniated disc at the L4-L5. I shudder to think what unthinkable agony a person with a "severe" herniation would have to endure.

Day Two = From what I saw it involved a very uncomfortable day of poking and prodding so that the doctors can fully understand the extent of the problems. However, I was informed by Dr. Mork on Day One that studies of my MRI were totally obvious as to what the problem was and that diagnotic testing would not be required in my case. This was an unexpected bonus for me as it shaved about 3,300 dollars off my bill.

Day Three = Surgery Day! You get to put on one of those goofy gowns and get an IV stuck into your hand. Then they carted me off to the operating room. So they tell me that the sedation they are giving me won't completely put me to sleep. I suppose this is so you can talk to the doctors during the procedure and inform them of any progress/problems. For me, when they injected that stuff into my IV, I felt a burning sensation in my hand and the next thing I remember was waking up in the recovery room with my dad. I immediately felt nauseous and the nurse quickly gave me a shot of something into my IV which made me feel a lot better almost immediately. Later that night at the hotel I wasn't feeling too good at all. I woke up in the middle of the night with my back just shrieking in pain. But after taking two Oxycodones I felt much better.

Day Four = Post surgery analysis. I was still hurting a bit from the incision although my leg pain was totally gone. They gave me a epidural shot of something through my tail bone and nearly all the remaining pain went away. Jumped into the car with my dad and drove six hours home mostly pain free.

Within a week after the surgery almost all my back pain I had before was gone so I decided to stop taking the Oxycodone they gave me. Here is a word of warning, DO NOT stop taking your pain meds all at once like I did. You will feel B-A-D. Flu-like symptoms, total loss of appetite; basically feels like someone took a baseball bat and beat the hell out of you.

It is now been three weeks since the surgery and my pain level is effectively at zero. My total costs were around 13,600 dollars which is far less than any other company was able to quote me. I am totally satisfied with my outcome and if this blasted rain will stop I can get back to flying tomorrow. Sorry if this is a long read. If anyone has any questions please email or post a question here...

Scott
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algosdoc

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Posted: 01-25-08 06:12am

Just to give you a comparison cost: the same procedure in Germany costs $150.
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Posted: 01-25-08 09:20am

Hello Scott,

Thanks so very much for sharing, and all the detail you provided. Your post is most important for all who post here or just "visit". Each experience a person has helps others along their path.

It was GREAT to read that your surgery and recovery has been successful. WONDERFUL!!!!! I hope in time you will be able to return to your "life".

Yes, I would agree, that your costs at Microspine were about half of what they may have been at the other two major laser spine institutes in Florida.

About the cost of the procedure only being $150 in Germay. There is more to it than that. That may be the cost for a German citizen, but I doubt that would be the cost for a non-citizen. In Germany they have socialized medicine. For the majority of medical things there is no cost from my understanding (having good friends in Germany).

RichT
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algosdoc

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Posted: 01-25-08 10:10am

Correct....that is the cost for German citizens. Americans are getting massively overcharged for medical care.
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scottchambers60

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Posted: 01-25-08 18:29pm

algosdoc wrote:
Correct....that is the cost for German citizens. Americans are getting massively overcharged for medical care.


It's unfortunate that there are so many Americans that have no medical coverage. I've heard arguments for both sides concerning a "Nationalized" health care system. All I can say is some health care is better than no health care. As a student pilot I have no employer health care benefits and the cost of third party coverage would require money I simply don't have...

Scott
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Posted: 01-25-08 18:57pm

Hello Scott,

You bring up some very valid points.

The U.S. system is a disaster!!! BIG TIME.

No way should some have good medicale coverage, and many others have none.

I have read enough from people in other countries who have a national health care system - WELLLllll sort of. I have not come across one national health care systen in which I would want to participate in. Want to wait a YEAR to have a MRI? Want to be in a position where your GP/PCP "controls" the care you have access to (like when and who you can see regading a specialist? Where those who have money can have excellent health care and the rest of the population gets what is left over?

Not this guy!!!!!! not MY family!!!!!

I have no complaints regarding the health care coverage for my wife and myself. Yes, the premiums are very high. HOWEVER, 54+ million Americans without any helath care coverage is a disgrace. There has to be a better way.

Unfortunately, to my knowledge only one presidential candidatte has NOT been bought off by the lobbyiests and big business. For some reason the majority of Americans don't seem to "get it". The ONLY candidate who has not accepted money from lobbies or big business is Sen. John Edwards. HE is the ONLY ONE who can truly change our current mess in health care in my opinion.

Okay, sorry to get a bit off topic, however, I AM concerned just as you are about the "broke" system we currently have.

RichT
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tjh299

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Posted: 03-29-08 20:18pm

just a quick note, to ask how you are doing now from your surgery? good i hope. and with god's blessing you proceed on a good track. my spouse went to a laser place in florida back in nov 07 and was pain free for 7 weeks, then went back to work, for the expense of surgery and bills piling up. he wouldn't stay home any longer. but is back in the same pain as before the surgery. he had more levels wrong with him than you, not to say that yours wasn't bad; i didn't mean to imply that his was worse than yours, but they are saying that maybe he needs another surgery, since they only work on one level at a time. boy it sure is costly. does anyone know of any free grant programs for excessive medical bills not covered by insurance company's? would appreciate amy info. was just curious how old you are andhow quick did you go back to work and what is your profession? thanks for your reply amry
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scottchambers60

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Posted: 04-02-08 02:34am

Hello TJ. I am sorry to hear that your husband is having a difficult time. Having lived nearly a year with horrible back pain I know it's something that no one should ever have to endure. It has been over 2 months for me since my surgery and I've had no recurrence of back pain. Sometimes when I wake up in the morning I can feel the faintest dull ache in my back/leg but it goes away as soon as I get up. I consider myself rather lucky in that everything seemed to go well for me.

A little about myself; I am 33 years old and recently separated from the Air Force and I'm now learning to fly helicopters down in Louisiana. I'm sorry but I don't know of any medical programs that can help you out with the finances. Being a student I don't have any medical coverage either. After shelling out 14k for my back surgery I'm not even sure I will be able to finish school now. Time will tell I guess. I'm sorry I can't be more help. Hang in there!
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tjh299

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Posted: 04-02-08 19:49pm

Glad to hear a reply from you and to hear you are doing well, that's great. can i ask do you have any pain when you do very physical work or have you avoided doing any for now? I'm not sure if i said in my earlier post that my husband is an electrician and does very physical work daily. does anything aggrevate you back or legs? I see that you went to microspine and they were wonderful to you. did they say if they would charge, if you didn't get good results the first time around and had to come back again? Are you married and has your back problem put a strain on your social life and did you quit doing things that you liked? My husband takes pain meds to try and get thru the day, but most of the time they don't help either. When he gets home it's about all he can do just to shower and eat dinner. He doesn't feel like going anywhere; because his legs hurt to bad to walk much and he is usually exhausted. This has been for 7 years come May. Our lives have changed alot and he just wants to be normal again, if there is such a thing. Did you see any doctors that told you that your pain was in your mind? This one doctor came highly recommended and that is what he told my spouse, boy it was very depressing. thinking he is going to someone good and then be then be told that. We have seen about 22 people in the last 7 years. Neuro, ortho surgeon, rhuematologist, accupuncturist, accupressurist,physical therapists (3) times,did water aquatics,decompression treatments, nuecleoplasty procedure, injections, nerve blocks, chiropractors, bought a back bubble, inversion table, ultrasound machine and many other treatments too. boy have we spent the money and the doctors say there isn't anything they can do for him. and he isn't one to go to the doctor for anything. in fact this is the only time except for a cold or flu. and we have been married 28 years. well enough about us, but it feels good to talk to someone. i hope you keep progressing well, and may the good lord be with you thru out life. I feel i have a connection with people that have back problems even if i don't know them personally. write back soon. Have A Great Day!!!!!!!!!!!! Mary
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scottchambers60

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Posted: 04-03-08 02:13am

Having dealt with my herniated disc for only a year I find it inconceivable that anyone would be able to endure it for seven years. I am not married but I am thankful that my parents were there to support me during those last three months before the surgery. Also, I am not by any stretch of the imagination a physical person. The most demanding labor I do is performing my preflight inspection on my helicopter everyday before flight.

I share your husbands dislike of hospitals and I'm still kicking myself for not following up the the doctors more aggressively before separating from the Air Force. I can also understand your frustration with the many doctors that can't help. I myself originally tried physical therapy first which only made my pain worse (IMO). Finally I saw a doctor at a clinic who told me that the pain wasn't going to fix itself and that surgery was my only option. Once I made up my mind to get the surgery it was just a matter of researching the Laser Institutes and finding the cheapest one that was withing driving distance for me. At 13,600 Microspine was by far the cheapest. Laser Spine Institute quoted me 30,000.

During the course of my "adventure" I discovered a few things that still bother me. First, my doctors kept using the phrase "Patient has some discomfort in lower back". Let's be clear; what I had was not discomfort, it was searing agony. Second, I feel my blood pressure spike whenever I hear someone mention pain management. Thats just another way of saying you're screwed and you'll just have to live with it. And lastly, I think my original doctors were just giving me painkillers and hoping the problem went away (after having the pain for more than 7 months). Sure, Oxycodone will make the pain go away, but it also means you get to walk around like a perpetual zombie. Also no one mentioned anything about a phased reduction of painkillers. After my surgery I just took them everyday whether I was in pain or not (as they instructed me to do) until I ran out. The two weeks after I stopped were a living hell from the withdrawal.

Keep up the fight and someday you'll win. Good luck and keep us posted on any ongoing status changes...

Scott
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bmarv99

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Posted: 08-07-08 00:20am

is microspine in defuniak springs a real fix for pain?i have surgery coming up there in a month, my insurance wll pay for it, total cost to me about 200 bucks is it worth it?
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Posted: 08-07-08 00:27am

Interesting...I learned a while back that my mom was suffering from a herniated disk...I remember one day walking in while she was getting dressed and seeing her in tears just lying on the bed...my mother NEVER cries...so it was hard to see that bc I knew she must have really been in pain...shes been going to the chiropractor as well as getting acupuncture done...I haven't heard her complain of it too much since that one time but she does have a high tolerance of pain...i dont think she'd ever go into surgery for this(unless it was really needed) but I believe shes doing better as of now..though this isn't something that will just go away
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