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Dull "Nice Guy" image killing me??
Posted: 01-29-08 08:51am

Hi everyone, here's my story that is so similar to many i've heard on this forum. I'm a guy, just turned 19, and am horrible at meeting girls. I had a girlfriend in 11th grade (first one) that lasted a year. I feel like I went out with her only because she approached me and I was shocked that a girl would actually approach me so I immediatly said yes without thinking about it. Bad move. Anyway, that lasted a year and since then I have had a very hard time with lonliness. I'm a pretty attractive guy, am very nice. I'm also the classic "good guy". I don't drink, smoke, don't like parties where everyone gets trashed. I think my problem is a lack of confidence and a lack of "approaching" skill. For some reason I always expect a girl to approach me rather than me approaching her. It's like I expect girls to be "psychics" that should be able to read my mind while i'm thinking im attracted to her. There is nothing wrong with me besides the fact that I am quiet and always try too hard to look my best without actually putting it to use by approaching girls. I'm in college now, and It seems like all people wana do is party and drink. I am very into my studies too becuase I am determined to become a Nurse Anesthetist. I love working out, and I'm really into health and nutrition. I like to wakeboard, and love cooking and eating healthy food. I always fear girls will think I am weird or a "health freak". I seems like most guys are just out to "get some", but I actually want a real relationship. I'm the kind of person who just likes to hang out and talk for hours about whatever, but lack the confidence to start a convo with a girl. Could I actually be intimidating to girls? I just dont know. Is this quiet nice guy/dull guy image killing me or am i just paranoid??
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Posted: 01-29-08 09:08am

It seems to me that you are too concerned about what they will think of you to just go out and actually see. Everyone gets shot down at some point, but you just need to take that as valued experience with approaching/starting a conversations with girls. Also we all have our dates that really don't go anywhere, but you keep trying until you finally do find that right person.

From what you've wrote you seem to be an interesting person with a lot of fun and good qualities.. you just need to clear your head and say "hi"... it's the best pickup line. Just go out there and be yourself, good things will happen once you give it a chance. Just go with it and keep trying, and don't give up if life gives you lemons.
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nspeed22

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Posted: 01-29-08 10:41am

Yeah i'm pretty sure thats my problem. Thanks for the reply BTW. I also think that I'm the kind of person who thinks girls are "above me" and that they don't experience these types of situations too, which they obviously do. Im just really looking for a quiet, intellectual, pretty girl who has some maturity in her and shares some of my interests. There are so many girls in college that just want to party and "get with" every guy they see. idk maybe i act like an old man for my age Confused
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Posted: 01-29-08 10:57am

I think U need 2 gain sum self confience!!! I think it's a gud thin U don't drink, smoke, & party. I wish I could find a guy dat dosen't drink & smoke! Also, if U C a girl dat U like & would like 2 B w/, go 4 it. I use 2 B da same way, I wouldn't dare even try talk-n 2 a guy dat I liked, but almost 3 yrs. ago I was crazy bout dis guy & i felt like I had 2 B w/ em, so i took my chances & started talk-n 2 em. We started off jus friends, & then we started go-n out!!! Now we R still 2getha & ingaged!!!! It will B 3 yrs. N April!! It was all because I took dat chance & stepped up 2 da plate!!! Life is 2 short 2 jus set back & not go 4 wut U want!!!!

I hope I was sum help!!! Good Luck w/ everything!!!!

If U want 2 talk, pm me!!!
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Posted: 01-29-08 10:58am

I think U need 2 gain sum self confience!!! I think it's a gud thin U don't drink, smoke, & party. I wish I could find a guy dat dosen't drink & smoke! Also, if U C a girl dat U like & would like 2 B w/, go 4 it. I use 2 B da same way, I wouldn't dare even try talk-n 2 a guy dat I liked, but almost 3 yrs. ago I was crazy bout dis guy & i felt like I had 2 B w/ em, so i took my chances & started talk-n 2 em. We started off jus friends, & then we started go-n out!!! Now we R still 2getha & ingaged!!!! It will B 3 yrs. N April!! It was all because I took dat chance & stepped up 2 da plate!!! Life is 2 short 2 jus set back & not go 4 wut U want!!!!

I hope I was sum help!!! Good Luck w/ everything!!!!

If U want 2 talk, pm me!!!
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nspeed22

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Posted: 01-29-08 14:18pm

Wow, thats really inspirational that you guys are engaged now just because you took that chance. I'm just really bad at conversations with girls lol. I start talking about the DUMBEST things (weather Rolling Eyes ) and feel like a goof. O well, I guess practice makes perfect???
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Posted: 01-30-08 10:55am

When you kno ur go-n 2 talk 2 a girl, try 2 figure out wut ur go-n 2 say 2 her B-4 u approuch her. That always helps. Then if U 2 get n-2 a conversation it should jus come 2 U easily. Jus B urself!!!!
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FlorisV

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Re: Dull "Nice Guy" image killing me??
Posted: 01-30-08 12:28pm

It's a great misconception that you are dull. You seem to lack self confidence because you are different. Superman is more "dull" than The Joker. But who saves the world and gets the girl? You have other qualities that are frankly worth more than cool bad boyness. Here's your "scorecard" as I perceive it and it's quite impressive:

"Attractive guy"
Score! Girls like it when you take good care of your looks/clothing

"am very nice"
Score! Since when do girls hate warm, friendly men (don't confuse that with doormats!)? Do read the warning below.

"I am very into my studies too becuase I am determined to become a Nurse Anesthetist."
Score! Girls love it if you're a passionate, driven person.

"I love working out, I like to wakeboard"
Score! Girls like dynamic, active men that do something constructive in their life. You will probably look better AND be better in bed than those drunkards.

"and I'm really into health and nutrition."
Score! Girls like men that take good care of themselves, after all they want a man that can protect them and take good care of their needs.

"love cooking and eating healthy food. "
Score! There are fewer things that women find more sexy than seeing a man cooking. Healthy food = better sex!

"I seems like most guys are just out to "get some", but I actually want a real relationship."
Score! Girls want this too.

"I always fear girls will think I am weird or a "health freak". "
PROBLEM. You're not a freak, just healthy. Remove the freak/weird part out of your mind. Superman is not a freak. The reason you think this is that you're so different than most of the slackers and losers that form the majority of college kids.

"I'm the kind of person who just likes to hang out and talk for hours about whatever, but lack the confidence to start a convo with a girl. Could I actually be intimidating to girls? I just dont know. Is this quiet nice guy/dull guy image killing me or am i just paranoid?"
PROBLEM. It's not paranoia, but lack of confidence and nice guy get in the way of what you want.
First step is to approach girls. I too have a hard time finding good openers, that's because there isn't any. Just ask their opinion about something or give them a critical compliment, like "I like the way you did your hair, I've seen 3 other woman today with that haircut" (this is called a "neg", not an insult but something that shows your lack of needyness, it's important that girls don't get the idea that you are hitting on them). You can say the same about clothing, fake nails, small imperfections, the hotter the girl the more negs you'll need. Second step, when you talk to them (you'll need to thrown in multiple topics and not stick to one) ask them about what dreams they have, their ideal vacation, relationships, friendships, emotions, girl stuff! Start reading girl magazines for all I care.

There's more places to meet girls than you think, more than parties and clubs. You can approach girls between classes, fitness, on the street, the grocery store, maybe even try the library where you don't have to scream your lungs out. It's also less scary to approach a girl when she is alone and doesn't have her posse with her. But don't be afraid of those posses they will eat out of your hand if you come up with enough confidence and engage them in conversation.

Here's a warning about being nice. That's also why you need negs.
Nice guys don't get laid, they stay in the friendship zone. The reason: they're too polite and don't take the initiative fast enough to (in this order) 1 touch a woman 2 hold her hand 3 kiss her mouth 4 kiss her neck 5 gently touch her breasts 6 use your imagination what's next. You have to fight for your values, say no to alcohol and be proud of it, say no to things you don't like, they'll respect you for it and if they don't than try to find more intelligent company. Have your own opinion, be your own man and stop trying to please women all the time. Mr Nice Guy sometimes will have to be Mr Alpha Male. You're the cool person, you're the prize.

That's also why you can't be too available. It can help if you say stuff like "I have to go in a sec and talk to my friends but I have a question for you."

Women will love you. You're getting advice from a total newbie that still has to apply these things. Read Mystery Method or other dating gurus. Buy those pickup artist books. Try to learn what I'm trying to learn. I'm 30 and never got laid (but I guarantee you I will). I have only begon to discover the secrets of the female psyche. I am struggling with the same problem as you but I know what to do. It's the stuff you don't learn from your parents or at school. Maybe because it's too powerful and they don't want you to get laid like crazy all the time.

Women, be grateful for guys like this.

And people need to learn how to spell here!
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nspeed22

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Posted: 01-30-08 17:49pm

Haha dude you made me feel like a million bucks!! Thanks a lot for the advice I will really follow it. Good luck on your endeavors as well! Wink
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Posted: 02-12-08 11:19am

FlorisV for President !
I really enjoyed reading your post.
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jacklynn

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Posted: 02-12-08 11:42am

nice guys are the best. don't change, you will eventually find the right person for you.
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bakin_april

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Posted: 02-12-08 11:43am

What about talking to a girl at the supermarket? Farmer's market? If Aussie chef Curtis Stone can do it, so can you! Is she looking at produce? say "What's your favorite way to prepare this? I love to cook and I'm always looking for new ideas." I'd talk to any guy that approached me at the store talking about his love for food and cooking.

Is there a food co-op in your area? You could join one. I believe members are required to be actively involved in the running of the co-op. I suspect most members would be health-consious and into food.

To me shy guys project that they're also loving, sweet and caring. What woman wouldn't want that??

Once you get out there you'll do just fine.
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FlorisV

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Posted: 02-12-08 17:03pm

s_kalb wrote:
FlorisV for President !
I really enjoyed reading your post.


Thanks man, though Obama and Clinton seem to have a much better shot, this stuff may actually be more important than what they say.

So I'm happy to share this stuff most guys are oblivious to it. What it comes down to is that guys need some help understanding women and how to push their buttons/sweep them of their feet...there is very little material on it but a friend of mine shared some like Mystery Method, Ross Jeffries etc. I don't like all of what they preach but they do help out nerds having difficulty finding an attractive girl ain't nothing wrong with that.

The core attitude is that there are plenty of girls out there so never be too needy for a particular one and you don't need them anyway to be happy. With that attitude combined with doing many approaches (I confess i STILL have to begin with that) it should be easier to attract women. Problem I had was I was not needy but I never met much women. But tomorrow I have a speed date with +20 women.Smile
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Re: Dull "Nice Guy" image killing me??
Posted: 03-10-08 18:34pm

nspeed22 wrote:
I am very into my studies too becuase I am determined to become a Nurse Anesthetist. I love working out, and I'm really into health and nutrition. I like to wakeboard, and love cooking and eating healthy food. I always fear girls will think I am weird or a "health freak". I seems like most guys are just out to "get some", but I actually want a real relationship. I'm the kind of person who just likes to hang out and talk for hours about whatever

Man, i have been looking for a guy like you for years! Very
Happy One of my problems is that i tend to talk about random things way to much but it sounds like you would listen and join in! Very
Happy NEVER change. there will be a girl who will want everything that you are and if you change, how will she find you?
Good Luck on your degree. It will be a very rewarding job!
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Posted: 05-28-08 20:28pm

You don't sound dull at all! You sound awesome! Don't change a bit- the right girl will appreciate you. Not all of us are looking to get drunk and hook up with every guy we meet at a party or bar. Really- I wish there were more guys like you at my college. Finding a nice guy who is more interested in taking care of himself and being a good person than how many "chicks he banged last week" is nearly impossible. Good Luck! I really think you will find someone. Just believe in yourself.
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Posted: 05-28-08 21:27pm

hey hunny as soon as the girls get screwed over enough by the bad boys there gonna come to you eventually. i'm 21 and going through the same thing only i'm a bad girl gone good. i used to go after the bad boys, and didn't come out of it with anything good at all, just wishing i'd never met those guys. don't shed the good guy image. it'll work to your benefit when you graduate and get a good job, and the people who messed around in college are left in the dust. plus, as i too learned at 19, relationships just add one more stressor to college life. stay cool.
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Posted: 07-04-08 05:30am

People want fun in their life but thats not all they want.

You say you find it hard to approach girls, well my friend if you want something in life you have to go get it, it will not come to you, I could sit her all day saying it will happen when the time is right, you will meet the right girl someday, this all might be true BUT, you have to make it happen.

You have to take the bull by the horns and go ask a girl out, contrary to popular belief the female variant of the human population is just as scared/nervous/shy as the rest of us, what tells the shy guy appart from the other guys is they deal with the shyness and that is it, the confidence comes with practice.

As for how to approch approach a girl, its easy, you walk over to her and say "Hi" and go from there, its that easy, you have it set in your mind that it is not that easy but it really is, again the confidence comes with practice, there is nothing in the world that I can say/do/type that will remove your shyness, you just have to deal with it like the rest of us :O), I'm a pretty shy guy but I can also put it to the back of my mind and not allow it to stop me from getting what I want.

Life is about choices, is it your choice to be unhappy and not get what you want, or be happy and grab the bull by the horns and go for it.

Eddy
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Re: Dull "Nice Guy" image killing me??
Posted: 07-04-08 11:15am

nspeed22 wrote:
Hi everyone, here's my story that is so similar to many i've heard on this forum. I'm a guy, just turned 19, and am horrible at meeting girls. I had a girlfriend in 11th grade (first one) that lasted a year. I feel like I went out with her only because she approached me and I was shocked that a girl would actually approach me so I immediatly said yes without thinking about it. Bad move. Anyway, that lasted a year and since then I have had a very hard time with lonliness. I'm a pretty attractive guy, am very nice. I'm also the classic "good guy". I don't drink, smoke, don't like parties where everyone gets trashed. I think my problem is a lack of confidence and a lack of "approaching" skill. For some reason I always expect a girl to approach me rather than me approaching her. It's like I expect girls to be "psychics" that should be able to read my mind while i'm thinking im attracted to her. There is nothing wrong with me besides the fact that I am quiet and always try too hard to look my best without actually putting it to use by approaching girls. I'm in college now, and It seems like all people wana do is party and drink. I am very into my studies too becuase I am determined to become a Nurse Anesthetist. I love working out, and I'm really into health and nutrition. I like to wakeboard, and love cooking and eating healthy food. I always fear girls will think I am weird or a "health freak". I seems like most guys are just out to "get some", but I actually want a real relationship. I'm the kind of person who just likes to hang out and talk for hours about whatever, but lack the confidence to start a convo with a girl. Could I actually be intimidating to girls? I just dont know. Is this quiet nice guy/dull guy image killing me or am i just paranoid??


let me just say that I wish I'd found a guy like you my freshman year of college! I did get into the partying unfortunately, i guess I just wanted to take advantage of my newfound freedom..i'd never drank before, started drinking...really the only reason I went out in the first place was to socialize(and I was looking to find a boyfriend) and I found guys..and big surprise the ones I found turned out to be jerks with aboslutely NOTHING going for them...I dont know why I thought I'd run into my price charming drunk at a frat party...hahahahahaha(no offense to anyone that is in a fraternity..it just seems the ones I stumbled upon...weren't the best of guys)most of them were just trying to "score" and the one I kind of dated ended up getting kicked out of his fraternity..which, wasn't a surprise, but it sounds to me like you just haven't met the right girl, because you seem to have everything going for you! You just need some confindence! YOU'RE IN THE NURSING FIELD!!! come on now! You must have PLENTY of girls to choose from! Smile just take that chance!
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Posted: 07-09-08 01:46am

You sound like an awesome guy! I'd love to be around a guy that is into his studies, doesn't want to drink and party and has enough respect for himself and women to want a real relationship and not just sex. I think that you're being too hard on yourself. It sounds as though you haven't had a lot of experience dating and that you just want the perfect long term relationship right off the bat. It doesn't happen that way. Since your in college, if you have the free time, try joing some clubs or groups that are for males and females that are based on things that interest you such as health/exercise, wakeboarding or cooking. If you meet a girl with the same interests it's easier to start a conversation, easier to keep your confidence and composure and easier to get a date. Just know that you're a good guy and that there are PLENTLY of good women looking for a good guy! If you meet a girl you like, just walk up to her and ask her how's it goin? Crack a joke, comment her on her hair or smile and see where it goes. Most of all, be REAL and TRUTHFULL. We can always spot a lier! =) Good luck.
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