Yes, Virginia, a fetus really is a baby...... Posted: 01-30-08 08:21am
Since I"ve been told that I'm incapable of
doing my own thinking, I've decided to
just let dictionaries do all my thinking.
It's going to take some careful planning,
but maybe I can make it work. I'll start
with this:
We see those prochoice revisionist claims
that "a fetus is not a baby" all the time.
Usually, I respond with a definition of
"baby" that includes the word "fetus" as
evidence that they are wrong. And there's
a reason why that's the easiest evidence
to find: technical terms are not commonly
defined with terms of the vernacular.
A good example is the word "appendage".
The majority of online sources will say
things like "a part of the body that
projects beyond the trunk", or something
to that effect, but only a very few of
them will actually say something like "an
arm or a leg", even though we all know
that those ARE appendages. So it is also
with the technical term "fetus", a
majority of sources do not define it in
vernacular terms. Also, "fetus" is a
general term for the young of any animal
that goes through the gestation process,
not just we humans. And so a prochoicer
will sometimes quote a definition of
"fetus" that doesn't use the word "baby"
as "proof" of their idiotic claim.
However, with a bit of looking, I have
found some impressive sources that do
define "fetus" using the vernacular term
"baby":
The Baby Center (UK):
fetus: The name given to a growing baby
after eight weeks of development; before
eight weeks, the developing baby is called
an embryo. http://www.babycentr
e.co.uk/glossary/F.html
AllWords.com
fetus noun
1. (embryology) An unborn or unhatched
vertebrate showing signs of the mature
animal.
2. (embryology) An unborn baby
after the 7th week of gestation.
http://www.allwords.com/ (and plug
in the word "fetus")
And here's the BEST one yet:
from WordNet 3.0 Vocabulary Helper:
Hyponyms of noun fetus 1 sense of fetus
Sense 1
fetus, foetus -- (an unborn or unhatched
vertebrate in the later stages of
development showing the main recognizable
features of the mature animal)
* monster, teras -- ((medicine) a
grossly malformed and usually nonviable
fetus)
* abortus -- (a human fetus whose
weight is less than 0.5 kilogram when
removed or expelled from the mother's
body)
* baby -- (an unborn child; a
human fetus; ``I felt healthy and very
feminine carrying the baby"; "it was great
to feel my baby moving about inside'' )
http://poets.notredame.a
c.jp/cgi-bin/wn (and plug in the word
"fetus")
Why do I say it's the "best"? Well, a look
at the word "hyponym" will tell you why:
hy.po.nym Pronunciation: (h?'pu-nim),
[key]
- n. Ling.
a term that denotes a subcategory of a
more general class: "Chair" and "table"
are hyponyms of "furniture." Cf.
superordinate (def. 4).
http://www.infoplea
se.com/dictionary/hyponym
How clear is that? And if that's not
enough, here's something else:
American Heritage Dictionary: http://www.bartleby.com/61/ Unborn
: ADJECTIVE : 1. Not yet born:
“an unborn child .”
Information Please: http://www.infoplease.com/Unborn :
Pronunciation: (un-bôrn') -adj. 2. not
yet delivered; still existing in the
mother's womb: an unborn baby .
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Posted: 01-30-08 09:51am
*Yawn* I wasted time scanning the first
sentence of this drivel?. Yes yoda we well
realize by now you have no opinion that
does't come out of dictionary...off to
more shabby chic shopping.
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Posted: 01-30-08 09:56am
In the event people don’t agree on a
word, they usually resort to a
clarification of the word through using a
dictionary to find out the correct way it
is pronounced or used.
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Re: Yes, Virginia, a fetus really is a baby...... Posted: 01-30-08 10:06am
yodavater
wrote:
Since I"ve been told that
I'm incapable of doing my own thinking,
I've decided to just let dictionaries do
all my thinking. It's going to take some
careful planning, but maybe I can make it
work. I'll start with this:
We see those prochoice revisionist claims
that "a fetus is not a baby" all the time.
Usually, I respond with a definition of
"baby" that includes the word "fetus" as
evidence that they are wrong. And there's
a reason why that's the easiest evidence
to find: technical terms are not commonly
defined with terms of the vernacular.
A good example is the word "appendage".
The majority of online sources will say
things like "a part of the body that
projects beyond the trunk", or something
to that effect, but only a very few of
them will actually say something like "an
arm or a leg", even though we all know
that those ARE appendages. So it is also
with the technical term "fetus", a
majority of sources do not define it in
vernacular terms. Also, "fetus" is a
general term for the young of any animal
that goes through the gestation process,
not just we humans. And so a prochoicer
will sometimes quote a definition of
"fetus" that doesn't use the word "baby"
as "proof" of their idiotic claim.
However, with a bit of looking, I have
found some impressive sources that do
define "fetus" using the vernacular term
"baby":
The Baby Center (UK):
fetus: The name given to a growing baby
after eight weeks of development; before
eight weeks, the developing baby is called
an embryo. http://www.babycentr
e.co.uk/glossary/F.html
AllWords.com
fetus noun
1. (embryology) An unborn or unhatched
vertebrate showing signs of the mature
animal.
2. (embryology) An unborn baby
after the 7th week of gestation.
http://www.allwords.com/ (and plug
in the word "fetus")
And here's the BEST one yet:
from WordNet 3.0 Vocabulary Helper:
Hyponyms of noun fetus 1 sense of fetus
Sense 1
fetus, foetus -- (an unborn or unhatched
vertebrate in the later stages of
development showing the main recognizable
features of the mature animal)
* monster, teras -- ((medicine) a
grossly malformed and usually nonviable
fetus)
* abortus -- (a human fetus whose
weight is less than 0.5 kilogram when
removed or expelled from the mother's
body)
* baby -- (an unborn child; a
human fetus; ``I felt healthy and very
feminine carrying the baby"; "it was great
to feel my baby moving about inside'' )
http://poets.notredame.a
c.jp/cgi-bin/wn (and plug in the word
"fetus")
Why do I say it's the "best"? Well, a look
at the word "hyponym" will tell you why:
hy.po.nym Pronunciation: (h?'pu-nim),
[key]
- n. Ling.
a term that denotes a subcategory of a
more general class: "Chair" and "table"
are hyponyms of "furniture." Cf.
superordinate (def. 4).
http://www.infoplea
se.com/dictionary/hyponym
How clear is that? And if that's not
enough, here's something else:
American Heritage Dictionary: http://www.bartleby.com/61/ Unborn
: ADJECTIVE : 1. Not yet born:
“an unborn child .”
Information Please: http://www.infoplease.com/Unborn :
Pronunciation: (un-bôrn') -adj. 2. not
yet delivered; still existing in the
mother's womb: an unborn baby
.
interesting ..
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Posted: 01-30-08 10:26am
So, we have established the following:
Fetuses are babies.
Fetuses are parasites.
A woman can call the fetus she's carrying
anything she darn well pleases.
And chicken is on sale at Sprouts Market
this week for $1.88 a pound.
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yodavater
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Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 01-30-08 12:17pm
meblonde01
wrote:
In the event people don’t
agree on a word, they usually resort to a
clarification of the word through using a
dictionary to find out the correct way it
is pronounced or
used.
Yeah, you'd think so, wouldn't you? Like
when people play scrabble, and use a
scrabble dictionary to see if a word is
"legal". How sad that ordinary customs do
not seem to apply here.
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yodavater
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 01-30-08 12:18pm
Snug
wrote:
So, we have established the
following:
Fetuses are babies.
Wow, if only everyone was so above board
about this.
Pick me up a pound of sprouts, will you?
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yodavater
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Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 818
Posted: 01-30-08 12:19pm
Jincks013
wrote:
Yes yoda we well realize by
now you have no opinion that does't come
out of dictionary..
Yeah, that's right....... and you'd be
amazed what is says about your opinion....
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teri34
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Joined: 30 Jan 2008 Posts: 1
Posted: 01-30-08 12:24pm
A baby can be a fetus and a fetus can be a
baby but a Human fetus or baby is never a
parasite. Just another attemp of the pro
abortion fanatics trying to devalue the
life so they dont have to feel guilty
about killing it. Im not even completly
Anti-abortion but the more I read all the
pro-choice people words, opinions and
pathetic reasons the more it infuriates me
and I think NO the majority of women are
NOT smart enough to make the decision
wether or not to abort or get pregnant in
the first place. Just listen to them lol I
really dont want a womans choice to
completly be taken away but pro-choicers
leave no other option, everyone is
obviously not smart enough to handle the
issue and need somone to tell you whats
right and wrong. You prove yourselves
abortion is Widley abused at a sick and
alarming rate and that it is causing
further and further Devaluation of life. I
guess you are all for growing fetuses and
doing scientific testing on them too,
where will that stop. Oh its not a
valuable life it cant feel, I guess it
should be legal to grow and experiment on
fetuses up to 6 months old.
Maybe you woman can start selling your
parasitic, health endangering, invaders to
docs to experiment on then its a win win
for all you can homicide get a few bucks
and keep your figure.
I propose every woman have the right to
one abortion and when you get it they tie
your tubes and you have to go through hell
to get them legally untied.
I hope this makes you all feel as
frustrated as I did reading a lot of these
threads.
Re: Yes, Virginia, a fetus really is a baby...... Posted: 01-30-08 12:51pm
yodavater
wrote:
Since I"ve been told that
I'm incapable of doing my own thinking,
I've decided to just let dictionaries do
all my thinking. It's going to take some
careful planning, but maybe I can make it
work. I'll start with this:
We see those prochoice revisionist claims
that "a fetus is not a baby" all the time.
Usually, I respond with a definition of
"baby" that includes the word "fetus" as
evidence that they are wrong. And there's
a reason why that's the easiest evidence
to find: technical terms are not commonly
defined with terms of the vernacular.
A good example is the word "appendage".
The majority of online sources will say
things like "a part of the body that
projects beyond the trunk", or something
to that effect, but only a very few of
them will actually say something like "an
arm or a leg", even though we all know
that those ARE appendages. So it is also
with the technical term "fetus", a
majority of sources do not define it in
vernacular terms. Also, "fetus" is a
general term for the young of any animal
that goes through the gestation process,
not just we humans. And so a prochoicer
will sometimes quote a definition of
"fetus" that doesn't use the word "baby"
as "proof" of their idiotic claim.
However, with a bit of looking, I have
found some impressive sources that do
define "fetus" using the vernacular term
"baby":
The Baby Center (UK):
fetus: The name given to a growing baby
after eight weeks of development; before
eight weeks, the developing baby is called
an embryo. http://www.babycentr
e.co.uk/glossary/F.html
AllWords.com
fetus noun
1. (embryology) An unborn or unhatched
vertebrate showing signs of the mature
animal.
2. (embryology) An unborn baby
after the 7th week of gestation.
http://www.allwords.com/ (and plug
in the word "fetus")
And here's the BEST one yet:
from WordNet 3.0 Vocabulary Helper:
Hyponyms of noun fetus 1 sense of fetus
Sense 1
fetus, foetus -- (an unborn or unhatched
vertebrate in the later stages of
development showing the main recognizable
features of the mature animal)
* monster, teras -- ((medicine) a
grossly malformed and usually nonviable
fetus)
* abortus -- (a human fetus whose
weight is less than 0.5 kilogram when
removed or expelled from the mother's
body)
* baby -- (an unborn child; a
human fetus; ``I felt healthy and very
feminine carrying the baby"; "it was great
to feel my baby moving about inside'' )
http://poets.notredame.a
c.jp/cgi-bin/wn (and plug in the word
"fetus")
Why do I say it's the "best"? Well, a look
at the word "hyponym" will tell you why:
hy.po.nym Pronunciation: (h?'pu-nim),
[key]
- n. Ling.
a term that denotes a subcategory of a
more general class: "Chair" and "table"
are hyponyms of "furniture." Cf.
superordinate (def. 4).
http://www.infoplea
se.com/dictionary/hyponym
How clear is that? And if that's not
enough, here's something else:
American Heritage Dictionary: http://www.bartleby.com/61/ Unborn
: ADJECTIVE : 1. Not yet born:
“an unborn child .”
Information Please: http://www.infoplease.com/Unborn :
Pronunciation: (un-bôrn') -adj. 2. not
yet delivered; still existing in the
mother's womb: an unborn baby
.
I would personally like to make it clear
that I do not and have never denied that
foetuses are babies. It doesn't really
make a difference to me. Words like that
can often be twisted to play on the
foetus's humanity and innocence. I tend to
be indifferent to it. In debates I use
what is scientifically correct.
Pedantically speaking, abortions both
kill
innocent babies and remove invading
parasites. I don't care. Science
will always suit every circumstance so
that's where the basis for my arguments
lie.
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sistersister
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Posted: 01-30-08 15:17pm
Call it the colloquial baby or call it the
medically correct fetus it does not
matter. What matters is that the zygote
fetus embryo or baby if you will is
attached to, feeding off off and altering
the woman that is pregnants body. Once
again, abortion right are not about babies
or children they are about control of the
womans body. It is about wether the woman
will have atonomy over her own body or if
strangers will make that decision for her.
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Posted: 01-30-08 16:08pm
I have no problem acknowledging there's a
developing baby in one's uterus. I just
don't think it has a right to reside there
unless its hostess deems it suitable.
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Snug
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Posted: 01-30-08 16:20pm
So far, no one seems to be denying that
fetuses are babies, and that anyone who
wishes to is free to call them that.
I would make a joke about an "aborted
attempt to create drama," but that just
wouldn't be nice.
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Snug
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Posted: 01-30-08 16:26pm
teri34
wrote:
A baby can be a fetus and a
fetus can be a baby but a Human fetus or
baby is never a parasite. Just another
attemp of the pro abortion fanatics trying
to devalue the life so they dont have to
feel guilty about killing it. Im not even
completly Anti-abortion but the more I
read all the pro-choice people words,
opinions and pathetic reasons the more it
infuriates me and I think NO the majority
of women are NOT smart enough to make the
decision wether or not to abort or get
pregnant in the first place. Just listen
to them lol I really dont want a womans
choice to completly be taken away but
pro-choicers leave no other option,
everyone is obviously not smart enough to
handle the issue and need somone to tell
you whats right and wrong. You prove
yourselves abortion is Widley abused at a
sick and alarming rate and that it is
causing further and further Devaluation of
life. I guess you are all for growing
fetuses and doing scientific testing on
them too, where will that stop. Oh its not
a valuable life it cant feel, I guess it
should be legal to grow and experiment on
fetuses up to 6 months old.
Maybe you woman can start selling your
parasitic, health endangering, invaders to
docs to experiment on then its a win win
for all you can homicide get a few bucks
and keep your figure.
I propose every woman have the right to
one abortion and when you get it they tie
your tubes and you have to go through hell
to get them legally untied.
I hope this makes you all feel as
frustrated as I did reading a lot of these
threads.
Thus sayeth the American Heritage
Dictionary:
par·a·site
(pār'ə-sīt')
n.
1.
Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and
is sheltered on or in a different organism
while contributing nothing to the survival
of its host.
2.
1. One who habitually takes
advantage of the generosity of others
without making any useful return.
2. One who lives off and flatters
the rich; a sycophant.
3. A professional dinner guest,
especially in ancient Greece.
Even Mr. Dictionary himself would have to
concede that this particular definition
does not require the parasite and host to
be of different species. If you have a
problem with someone calling a fetus a
parasite, take it up with the American
Heritage Dictionary.
A baby can be a fetus and a
fetus can be a baby but a Human fetus or
baby is never a parasite. Just another
attemp of the pro abortion fanatics trying
to devalue the life so they dont have to
feel guilty about killing it. Im not even
completly Anti-abortion but the more I
read all the pro-choice people words,
opinions and pathetic reasons the more it
infuriates me and I think NO the majority
of women are NOT smart enough to make the
decision wether or not to abort or get
pregnant in the first place. Just listen
to them lol I really dont want a womans
choice to completly be taken away but
pro-choicers leave no other option,
everyone is obviously not smart enough to
handle the issue and need somone to tell
you whats right and wrong. You prove
yourselves abortion is Widley abused at a
sick and alarming rate and that it is
causing further and further Devaluation of
life. I guess you are all for growing
fetuses and doing scientific testing on
them too, where will that stop. Oh its not
a valuable life it cant feel, I guess it
should be legal to grow and experiment on
fetuses up to 6 months old.
Maybe you woman can start selling your
parasitic, health endangering, invaders to
docs to experiment on then its a win win
for all you can homicide get a few bucks
and keep your figure.
I propose every woman have the right to
one abortion and when you get it they tie
your tubes and you have to go through hell
to get them legally untied.
I hope this makes you all feel as
frustrated as I did reading a lot of these
threads.
Thus sayeth the American Heritage
Dictionary:
par·a·site
(pār'ə-sīt')
n.
1.
Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and
is sheltered on or in a different organism
while contributing nothing to the survival
of its host.
2.
1. One who habitually takes
advantage of the generosity of others
without making any useful return.
2. One who lives off and flatters
the rich; a sycophant.
3. A professional dinner guest,
especially in ancient Greece.
Even Mr. Dictionary himself would have to
concede that this particular definition
does not require the parasite and host to
be of different species. If you have a
problem with someone calling a fetus a
parasite, take it up with the American
Heritage
Dictionary.
Lovely. I have pointedthis out too many a
time. For a new thread-starter, how's
about:
Yes, yoda, a foetus really is a
parasite......
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Posted: 01-30-08 20:13pm
I'm going to try have a baby in March!!!
I'm so excited!!
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Snug
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Posted: 01-30-08 20:22pm
nightangel73
wrote:
I'm going to try have a baby
in March!!! I'm so excited!!
It would be helpful if you're already
pregnant now. Contrary to what you might
have heard, having sex with nine men in
one month won't allow you to give birth
the following month.
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Switcheroo Posted: 01-30-08 21:32pm
I think I posted somewhere that babies are
never defined as fetuses. I found that
odd.
Way to go, teri! Paint women who get
abortions with phrases like "keep your
figure" & "majority of women are not
smart enough to make their own decisions".
This does plenty for your cause. I say
keep it up. Honestly shows some aspects
of the fanatically anti-choice agenda.
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Posted: 01-30-08 22:13pm
It's just all word play. I don't think
it's a legitimate 'argument' when it comes
to abortion debate on either side.
of course there's a parasite in me, that's
why I have to eat more to make it grow. I
also have a baby in me. S/he is also my
child. My fetus is growing and my kid will
be born in April.
Again, it's just word play, see what I
mean?
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sistersister
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Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 145 Location: ,
Posted: 01-31-08 08:19am
Yes teri, after three pregnancies, a rape
that included a broken jaw and ribs and a
torn anus, I decided to abort the
resulting pregnancy so I could keep my
figure. but of course becuase I do not
have a penis I probably was just not smart
enough to know what was best in my own
very personal situation.
And by all means I think I should have
been prevented from being able to have
anymore children after my abortion becuase
after all I was not smart enough to not
have been rapped and beaten so I must be
punished for that lack on my part.
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