So you've found two
differences between a fetus and a "true"
parasite. I can find differences between
two boats. It doesn't mean one isn't a
boat, it just means they are variations on
a theme.
Eiri a parasite and a human are two very
different things. A parasite is a type of
organism that lives the ENTIRE life
No it doesn't. Just like a human does not
spend it's entire life as a fetus,
parasites do not spend their entire lives
leeching nutrients from other creatures.
Some parasites are only parasitic in the
larval (infant) stage. Some are only
parasitic as adults, but as larvae they
eat just like other animals. Some are
normal larvae, juvenile parasites, and
adult normal!!
Quote:
Remember in
humans we only leech nutrients from the
mother host for 9 months or even much less
than that nowadays.
Yep, and I just showed you that your
statement doesn't mean anything, as NO
parasite is parasitic for it's entire
life. In fact, since most parasites are
bugs, they are NOT parasitic even in their
"unborn" state!! They are in eggs, and an
egg is not a creature. Then they are born,
go through a larval stage that may or may
not be parasitic, and become an adult, and
may or may not be parasitic in that stage.
Now obviously all mammals and marsupials
and some oviviperous sharks (which
normally lay eggs) are like parasites in
their unborn state.
Quote:
That's why there
is animals and there is parasites.
Um... a parasite IS AN ANIMAL. The above
sentence is completely nonsensical.
Quote:
So please stop
the games with the parasite
crap.
Why? You couldn't give a single good
reason for me to stop.
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Posted: 02-20-08 21:29pm
Eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
So you've found two
differences between a fetus and a "true"
parasite. I can find differences between
two boats. It doesn't mean one isn't a
boat, it just means they are variations on
a theme.
Eiri a parasite and a human are two very
different things. A parasite is a type of
organism that lives the ENTIRE life
No it doesn't. Just like a human does not
spend it's entire life as a fetus,
parasites do not spend their entire lives
leeching nutrients from other creatures.
Some parasites are only parasitic in the
larval (infant) stage. Some are only
parasitic as adults, but as larvae they
eat just like other animals. Some are
normal larvae, juvenile parasites, and
adult normal!!
Quote:
Remember in
humans we only leech nutrients from the
mother host for 9 months or even much less
than that nowadays.
Yep, and I just showed you that your
statement doesn't mean anything, as NO
parasite is parasitic for it's entire
life. In fact, since most parasites are
bugs, they are NOT parasitic even in their
"unborn" state!! They are in eggs, and an
egg is not a creature. Then they are born,
go through a larval stage that may or may
not be parasitic, and become an adult, and
may or may not be parasitic in that stage.
Now obviously all mammals and marsupials
and some oviviperous sharks (which
normally lay eggs) are like parasites in
their unborn state.
Quote:
That's why there
is animals and there is parasites.
Um... a parasite IS AN ANIMAL. The above
sentence is completely nonsensical.
Quote:
So please stop
the games with the parasite
crap.
Why? You couldn't give a single good
reason for me to
stop.
You are very funny. But I won't continue
with you on that topic because you are
someone who has no formal education on
microbiology unlike I do.
However it is okay if you want to call
human fetus "parasites" metaphorically.
Hey I call people who doesn't want to work
and live sucking on the government money
parasites as well. They are worse than us
as fetus. Cause at least the fetus has no
other choice than to live taking nutrients
from the mom, but these people just choose
to be parasites on their own will.
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How does microbiology prove to you that a
parasite isn't an animal? How does
microbiology prove a fetus does not take
nutrients from the mother's body? How does
microbiology disprove a single word I
said?
It doesn't. Go throw your degree around
somewhere else.
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Posted: 02-20-08 23:41pm
Pinworm:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Nematoda
Class: Secernentea
Order: Rhabditida
Family: Oxyuridae
Genus: Enterobius
Does being under the Kingdom "Animalia"
mean it's an "animal"? Is there a
technicality I don't know about?
I keep reading about parasites, and the
one thing I keep seeing is that it's a
different species than it's host. I still
think that a fetus is "parasitic in
nature" but not technically a parasite.
Who cares, though, really. *shrugs*
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Posted: 02-20-08 23:42pm
Eiri
wrote:
How does microbiology prove
to you that a parasite isn't an animal?
How does microbiology prove a fetus does
not take nutrients from the mother's body?
How does microbiology disprove a single
word I said?
It doesn't. Go throw your degree around
somewhere
else.
Childish..
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-21-08 09:53am
If I was childish I would have insulted
you. I'm simply restating that you have
not proven any of my statements wrong and
that microbiology clearly hasn't helped
you in your endeavors.
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-22-08 17:24pm
It's pretty silly to be arguing this point
in this thread, when there is another
thread dedicated to it, with plenty of
documentation.
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We can discuss anything about abortion we
want on any thread in this part of the
forum. If you would like to see these
posts moved over to the other thread,
please inform the mod of this part of the
forums.
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-24-08 15:19pm
What I would like even better is for
someone to get back to the topic of this
thread. Is that asking too much?
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No one is refuting your claim, so there is
no debate. "The fetus is a baby" is a
perfectly permissible figure of speech -
namely a metaphor. It is no more
scientifically accurate than "the fetus is
a parasite" but does sound a lot cuter.
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-24-08 15:32pm
Eiri
wrote:
No one is refuting your
claim, so there is no debate. "The fetus
is a baby" is a perfectly permissible
figure of speech - namely a metaphor.
.
IF it were merely a metaphor, then
there would be some indication of that in
the many definitions which exist. Since
there are no such indications, I think it
quite fantastical to claim such a thing.
No, an unborn human is just as much a
"real" baby as a human that has just been
born. Moving a few inches does not change
the identity of a human baby from a
"metaphor" to a physical fact.
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Posted: 02-24-08 16:04pm
And it is just as much a parasite.
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sistersister
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Posted: 02-24-08 18:42pm
It does if that few inches is a womans
cervex.
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It's not the distance, it's the BEING
PHYSICALLY ATTACHED that makes it
parasite-like. Being INSIDE also helps.
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Posted: 02-24-08 20:57pm
yodavater
wrote:
No, an unborn human is just
as much a "real" baby as a human that has
just been born. Moving a few inches does
not change the identity of a human baby
from a "metaphor" to a physical
fact.
Since when a pea sized fetus the same as a
"real" baby? It doesn't have a beating
heart until 8 weeks, doesn't even move out
of free will till 18+ weeks. If it were
just the same, I could take it out just
after implantation and skip the 9 months
we'd normally put my body through. It's
NOWHERE close to being a real baby at the
time 95% of women have abortions.
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-27-08 16:45pm
Eiri
wrote:
It's not the distance, it's
the BEING PHYSICALLY ATTACHED that makes
it parasite-like.
.
Hey, "parasite-like". Good, accurate use
of words!
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-27-08 16:49pm
Reptar
wrote:
Since when a pea sized fetus the same as a
"real" baby?
.
Two things to consider here: One, by the
eighth week, when we become fetuses, we
are much larger than a pea. Two, a "real
baby" is the same thing as a "baby".
And there are no qualifications for being
a human baby, other than being a very
young human. None of the developmental
criteria you mention have anything to do
with being a "baby".
Let me guess...... you probably have a
powerful disdain for the authority of
legitimate, respectable published
dictionaries, right?
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-27-08 16:52pm
sistersister
wrote:
It does if that few inches
is a womans
cervex.
So, it's your claim that moving a few
inches changes the identity of a human
baby from a "metaphor" to a physical
fact.
Do metaphors grow? Do metaphors move
around, and kick? Do metaphors make women
swell up in the abdomen? Do metaphors pay
(a line from a commercial featuring Tom
Brady)?
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Posted: 02-27-08 17:31pm
yodavater
wrote:
Reptar
wrote:
Since when a pea sized fetus the same as a
"real" baby?
.
Two things to consider here: One, by the
eighth week, when we become fetuses, we
are much larger than a pea. Two, a "real
baby" is the same thing as a "baby".
And there are no qualifications for being
a human baby, other than being a very
young human. None of the developmental
criteria you mention have anything to do
with being a "baby".
Let me guess...... you probably have a
powerful disdain for the authority of
legitimate, respectable published
dictionaries,
right?
My bad, the 8 week year old fetus is the
size of a lima bean. Not "much" larger
than a pea at all. The 8 week year old
fetus does not feel pain, is not sentient.
A real baby can survive outside the womb
(with or without the use of a ventilator
or other basic hospital equipment). I have
never once heard of an 8 week year old
fetus surviving outside the fetus. If that
were the case, I'm sure many women would
opt to give up their fetus for adoption at
that point.
And actually, MY dictionary says that a
baby is "a very young child, esp. one
newly or recently born" (New Oxford
American Dictionary, and from what I hear,
that's quite a legitimate, respectable
published dictionary) , which of course a
fetus is not. But I'm glad to see that you
can pass judgements on me just because I
don't share your very limited view of the
world and insist on everything being black
and white just because my dictionary is. I
actually just have a powerful disdain for
anti-choicers who'll lie and sprout the
one dictionary definition that backs up
his claim.
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-27-08 17:43pm
Reptar
wrote:
A real baby can survive outside the womb
(with or without the use of a ventilator
or other basic hospital equipment).
And what, exactly, is the source of that
"definition"? Do you have a link to any
source that lists viability as a criterion
to be a "real baby"? Or did you just make
that up because you thought it sounded
good?
Reptar
wrote:
And actually, MY dictionary says that a
baby is "a very young child, esp. one
newly or recently born"
So do mine. And they also say that a baby
is an "unborn child", thus qualifying a
fetus/embryo as a "baby" AND a "child".
American Heritage Dictionary:
Unborn: ADJECTIVE : 1. Not yet born:
“an unborn child.” http://www.bartleby.com/61/
Information Please: Unborn:
Pronunciation: (un-bôrn') -adj. 2. not
yet delivered; still existing in the
mother's womb: an unborn baby. http://www.infoplease.com/
MSN Encarta Dictionary: Unborn: 1. not
born yet: not yet born, but usually
already conceived and gestating "behavior
that could benefit the unborn child" http://dictionary.msn.com/
