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Yes, yoda, a fetus really is a parasite... Posted: 01-30-08 17:10pm
Just so we can put this "parasite" thing
to rest once and for all...
From the American Heritage Dictionary, via
dictionary.com:
par·a·site
(p%u0101r'%u0259-s%u012Bt')
n.
1.
Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and
is sheltered on or in a different organism
while contributing nothing to the survival
of its host.
2.
1. One who habitually takes
advantage of the generosity of others
without making any useful return.
2. One who lives off and flatters
the rich; a sycophant.
3. A professional dinner guest,
especially in ancient Greece.
It says different organisms, not different
species. A fetus is indeed a different
organism, that grows, feeds, and is
sheltered in a female mammal's body, while
contributing nothing to her survival.
Quod erat demonstrandum, a fetus is a
parasite.
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Lilly Ivy
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Posted: 01-30-08 22:30pm
Babies do to contribute to their host!
Morning sickness, constipation, nausea,
swelling, that 'pregnancy glow' ok,
maybe it's just the hormones the
'parasite' triggers.
parasite: A professional dinner guest...
ok?
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Re: Yes, yoda, a fetus really is a parasite... Posted: 01-30-08 23:46pm
1. The American Heritage Science
Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
parasite (pÄr'É™-sÄ«t')
Pronunciation Key
An organism that lives on or in a
different kind of organism (the host) from
which it gets some or all of its
nourishment.
Parasites are generally harmful to their
hosts, although the damage they do ranges
widely from minor inconvenience to
debilitating or fatal disease. â—‡ A
parasite that lives or feeds on the outer
surface of the host's body, such as a
louse, tick, or leech, is called an
ectoparasite. Ectoparasites do not usually
cause disease themselves although they are
frequently a vector of disease, as in the
case of ticks, which can transmit the
organisms that cause such diseases as
Rocky Mountain spotted fever and Lyme
disease. â—‡ A parasite that lives inside
the body of its host is called an
endoparasite. Endoparasites include
organisms such as tapeworms, hookworms,
and trypanosomes that live within the
host's organs or tissues, as well as
organisms such as sporozoans that invade
the host's cells. See more at host.
2. American Heritage New Dictionary of
Cultural Literacy, Third Edition - Cite
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parasite
An organism that lives off or in another
organism, obtaining nourishment and
protection while offering no benefit in
return. Human parasites are often harmful
to the body and can cause diseases, such
as trichinosis.
Note: The term parasite is often applied
to a person who takes advantage of other
people and fails to offer anything in
return
3. par·a·site (pr-st) n.
An organism that grows, feeds, and is
sheltered on or in a different organism
while contributing nothing to the survival
of its host.
In conjoined twins, the usually incomplete
twin that derives its support from the
more nearly normal fetus.
4. WordNet - Cite This Source - Share
This parasite noun
1. an animal or plant that lives in or on
a host (another animal or plant); it
obtains nourishment from the host without
benefiting or killing the host [ant: host]
2. a follower who hangs around a host
(without benefit to the host) in hope of
gain or advantage [syn: leech]
5. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite
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(pÄr'É™-sÄ«t') Pronunciation Key n.
Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and
is sheltered on or in a different organism
while contributing nothing to the survival
of its host.
One who habitually takes advantage of the
generosity of others without making any
useful return.
One who lives off and flatters the rich; a
sycophant.
A professional dinner guest, especially in
ancient Greece.
6. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
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par·a·site /ˈpærəˌsaɪt/
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[par-uh-sahyt] Pronunciation
Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an organism that lives on or in
an organism of another species, known as
the host, from the body of which it
obtains nutriment.
2. a person who receives support,
advantage, or the like, from another or
others without giving any useful or proper
return, as one who lives on the
hospitality of others.
3. (in ancient Greece) a person who
received free meals in return for amusing
or impudent conversation, flattering
remarks, etc.
A parasite is of a diff species not your
own young
There was only one of the definitions that
didnt spell out another organism ...of
another species
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Posted: 01-31-08 00:37am
Sorry, sugarplum, but one is all it takes.
The parasite doesn't have to match all of
the definitions to be a parasite.
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Posted: 01-31-08 07:30am
back to what it is... call it anything you
want to... most mother that are planing on
keeping their Embro, Fetus, Pasrasite,
call it their Baby.,,
No matter what you call it.,, FACT is it
is a human parasit, embryo , fetus. and if
left to grow would develop into a human.
And born a human baby, Child, Infant, Kid,
brat, what ever you want to call it after
birth..
No matter what you call it, it is still
the same thing.
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sistersister
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Posted: 01-31-08 08:10am
Even if it is the same thing it is still
attached to and feeding off of the womans
body. It is imperative if the woman is to
be anything other than a slave with no
onership of her own body that it be there
by her decision and not the interference
of strangers.
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Posted: 01-31-08 08:51am
Whether it is a 'parasite' or not is not
going to stop millions of women aborting
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Posted: 01-31-08 09:04am
meblonde01
wrote:
back to what it is... call
it anything you want to... most mother
that are planing on keeping their Embro,
Fetus, Pasrasite, call it their Baby.,,
No matter what you call it.,, FACT is it
is a human parasit, embryo , fetus. and if
left to grow would develop into a human.
And born a human baby, Child, Infant, Kid,
brat, what ever you want to call it after
birth..
No matter what you call it, it is still
the same
thing.
It would, it could, it
might. Is It Right Now any of
those things? No. And THAT is the point
that is trying to be made.
An egg is not an omlette. Raw steel is not
a car. A particle of water vapor is not a
cloud.
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Posted: 01-31-08 09:05am
Becky
wrote:
Whether it is a 'parasite'
or not is not going to stop millions of
women
aborting
Or make them start aborting, either.
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Posted: 01-31-08 09:23am
Eiri
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
back to what it is... call
it anything you want to... most mother
that are planing on keeping their Embro,
Fetus, Pasrasite, call it their Baby.,,
No matter what you call it.,, FACT is it
is a human parasit, embryo , fetus. and if
left to grow would develop into a human.
And born a human baby, Child, Infant, Kid,
brat, what ever you want to call it after
birth..
No matter what you call it, it is still
the same
thing.
It would, it could, it
might. Is It Right Now any of
those things? No. And THAT is the point
that is trying to be made.
An egg is not an omlette. Raw steel is not
a car. A particle of water vapor is not a
cloud.
it's not it could be? might be? It is..
it still is a developing human being no
matter what you call it.
It still can be called a baby eiri.. many
many women call it a baby it does not make
the word WRONG.. just like fetus or
parasite or any othere word one wants to
call it. That is the point I'm trying to
make .
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Posted: 01-31-08 09:31am
What do you mean, "It's not it could
be?" Isn't that what I just wrote?
It would, it could, it might [be]? The
"be" was implied.
Yes, and egg could be an omlette, but I
feel like using it in some cookies today.
Should I refrain from making any other
kind of food for forever just because that
egg might
be an omlette?
I never said the word baby was wrong - not
recently. Just that it is not as right as
"fetus", which is 100% true.
There is a difference here. "Baby" and
"parasite" are neither as correct
as zygote, embryo or fetus. Z/e/f wins the
day for most correct, most accurate words
to properly describe the unborn. If you
actually want to be right, you have to
call it a fetus. If you want to play with
emotions, you can use baby or parasite.
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Posted: 01-31-08 10:55am
meblonde01
wrote:
back to what it is... call
it anything you want to... most mother
that are planing on keeping their Embro,
Fetus, Pasrasite, call it their Baby.,,
No matter what you call it.,, FACT is it
is a human parasit, embryo , fetus. and if
left to grow would develop into a human.
And born a human baby, Child, Infant, Kid,
brat, what ever you want to call it after
birth..
No matter what you call it, it is still
the same
thing.
Indeed. This is just a companion thread
to the one that points out that it is
etymologically correct to call a zygote or
embryo or fetus a baby. It appears that
pretty much everyone agrees that is the
case. Since I had seen various posters
say a zygote or embryo or fetus could not
be properly called a parasite, I thought
I'd clear up the fact that the word
"parasite" is also correct.
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Posted: 01-31-08 11:03am
Snug
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
back to what it is... call
it anything you want to... most mother
that are planing on keeping their Embro,
Fetus, Pasrasite, call it their Baby.,,
No matter what you call it.,, FACT is it
is a human parasit, embryo , fetus. and if
left to grow would develop into a human.
And born a human baby, Child, Infant, Kid,
brat, what ever you want to call it after
birth..
No matter what you call it, it is still
the same
thing.
Indeed. This is just a companion thread
to the one that points out that it is
etymologically correct to call a zygote or
embryo or fetus a baby. It appears that
pretty much everyone agrees that is the
case. Since I had seen various posters
say a zygote or embryo or fetus could not
be properly called a parasite, I thought
I'd clear up the fact that the word
"parasite" is also
correct.
and I never said is wasn't...
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Re: Yes, yoda, a fetus really is a parasite... Posted: 01-31-08 17:24pm
Snug
wrote:
Just so we can put this "parasite" thing
to rest once and for all... From the
American Heritage Dictionary, via
dictionary.com:
Again, vernacular dictionaries are not the
BEST sources for scientific definitions,
as they sometimes tend to shorten a full
explanation. Many scientific dictionaries
say that a "true parasite" is of a
different species. You do understand that
a "true parasite" remains a parasite all
it's life, right?
I mean, being a parasite really isn't a
"temporary condition", ya know?
Snug
wrote:
It says different organisms, not different
species. A fetus is indeed a different
organism, that grows, feeds, and is
sheltered in a female mammal's body, while
contributing nothing to her
survival.
That's an interesting point, actually. So
that shoots down some prochoice arguments
that the fetus/baby is a "part of a
woman's body", right?
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Posted: 01-31-08 17:27pm
Snug
wrote:
Sorry, sugarplum, but one is
all it takes. The parasite doesn't have
to match all of the definitions to be a
parasite.
I like your insistence that it "only takes
one source" to make it valid... I've been
saying that for months!
The vernacular definition of parasite DOES
describe what all gestating young do, not
just human ones. However..... and this is
a biggie..... that is a temporary
CONDITION that they are in..... they do
not remain in that condition all their
lives, and so they are not "true"
parasites all their lives... unless you
count sponging off the parents until they
are 40. But that would be a vernacular
application, of course.......
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Posted: 01-31-08 17:29pm
sistersister
wrote:
It is imperative if the woman is to be
anything other than a slave with no
onership of her own body that it be there
by her decision and not the interference
of strangers.
Have you ever looked up the word "slave",
or would you rather just use that word
euphemistically?
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-31-08 17:30pm
Eiri
wrote:
An egg is not an omlette. Raw steel is not
a car. A particle of water vapor is not a
cloud.
Wow..... what does all that mean?
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yodavater
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Posted: 01-31-08 17:32pm
Eiri
wrote:
Z/e/f wins the day for most correct, most
accurate words to properly describe the
unborn.
Not really, those developmental terms are
not even species specific, are they?
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Since I'm prochoice, I'll support the
choice of others to use whatever word they
wish to describe the...uh...widget, and
allow their own manipulation or
honesty to shine through, thus gracing us
with their true intentions.
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Posted: 01-31-08 17:35pm
yodavater
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
Sorry, sugarplum, but one is
all it takes. The parasite doesn't have
to match all of the definitions to be a
parasite.
I like
your insistence that it "only takes one
source" to make it valid... I've been
saying that for months!
The vernacular definition of parasite DOES
describe what all gestating young do, not
just human ones. However..... and this is
a biggie..... that is a temporary
CONDITION that they are in..... they do
not remain in that condition all their
lives, and so they are not "true"
parasites all their lives... unless you
count sponging off the parents until they
are 40. But that would be a vernacular
application, of course.......
That is disingenuous. Gracing us with
your true intentions, indeed.
ok,
maybe it's just the hormones the
'parasite' triggers.
ok?
