Birch
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Why Do ProLife Advocates Care?
Posted: 01-31-08 17:43pm
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Could prolife advocates please explain why
they care so much?
I've left this purposefully vague because
I want people to interpret that question
freely.
Would love to hear the responses...thanks!
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manuftw82
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Posted: 02-01-08 17:43pm
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I care because I believe every person
deserves a chance at life.
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Posted: 02-01-08 21:32pm
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| manuftw82
wrote: | | I care because I believe
every person deserves a chance at
life. |
I also believe every person
deserves a chance at life - that's why I'm
pro-choice.
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milletics
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Posted: 02-02-08 21:47pm
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| Kypros
wrote: | | manuftw82
wrote: | | I care because I believe
every person deserves a chance at
life. |
I also believe every person
deserves a chance at life - that's why I'm
pro-choice. |
No. Thats just selfishness. You believe a
person can choose to kill another for
purely selfish reasons.
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milletics
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Posted: 02-02-08 21:48pm
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I believe killing the innocent is wrong.
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manuftw82
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Posted: 02-02-08 22:54pm
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| Kypros
wrote: | | manuftw82
wrote: | | I care because I believe
every person deserves a chance at
life. |
I also believe every person
deserves a chance at life - that's why I'm
pro-choice. |
um hi a baby is a person. kthanks bye.
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Posted: 02-03-08 02:44am
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Um hi, a baby and an unborn baby aren't
the same thing. A born baby is a person,
yeppers. An unborn baby is not.
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Posted: 02-03-08 08:16am
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My as yet unanswered challenge still
stands.
Prolifers: please tell me exactly how my
choice to abort a pregnancy 14 years ago
had a direct impact on your daily life
then and now. Describe the impact it had
and the consequences of it.
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Birch
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Posted: 02-03-08 11:25am
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| manuftw82
wrote: | | I care because I believe
every person deserves a chance at
life. |
So you want preferential decision making
capability in women's medical decisions?
I have nothing against your opinion. It's
all the peripherals one would have to
utilize to get their opinion made into the
law of the land for everyone.
Let's say that I'm going to start the
"Create the Babies" foundation. Every
woman must give birth at least twice in
their life. The will be raped if they
don't consent. I think this is best
because women want babies. It's in their
best interest. They don't truly become a
valued person unless they have a baby.
And babies are the best thing ever.
That's my opinion. So it becomes law, and
you are raped repeatedly because of my
opinion. I don't care what you want. I
don't care if raping you is harmful. My
opinion is best and in your best
interests. And look, you get a wonderful
baby out of the deal! Isn't that lovely?
That's exactly what the prolife
philosophy makes me feel like. It makes
my skin crawl.
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Posted: 02-03-08 11:44am
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Well said, Birch. Prolife arguments for
forcing gestation seem so much like
arguments in favor of slavery and rape to
me. All three advocate the forced use of
people's bodies for the gain of someone or
something else, whether it be for physical
labor, twisted pleasure or gestation.
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:12pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Um hi, a baby and an unborn
baby aren't the same thing. A born baby is
a person, yeppers. An unborn baby is
not. |
Thats your twisted opinion you fabricted
for yourself.
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Re: Why Do ProLife Advocates Care?
Posted: 02-03-08 13:19pm
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| Birch
wrote: | Could prolife advocates
please explain why they care so much?
I've left this purposefully vague because
I want people to interpret that question
freely.
Would love to hear the
responses...thanks! |
I cant imagine why no one touched this
baited thread for a couple days.
You ask why we care and then the first
person to give an answer sweet as can be
you guys jump all over her. There is no
wrong answer to this question. Why does it
make you people so mad when we defend that
unborn are babies. And life begins at
conception. Well I know, I know exactly
why it makes you so angry.
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:37pm
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| guffaw
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | Um hi, a baby and an unborn
baby aren't the same thing. A born baby is
a person, yeppers. An unborn baby is
not. |
Thats your twisted opinion you fabricted
for yourself. |
No, it's a biological fact. Of course, all
you can think of when you heard the word
"baby" is a fully grown, ready to be born
or already-here baby. When I talk about an
unborn baby that is going to be aborted, I
mean something about an inch to four
inches long that possibly has a tail, no
eyelids, and no ears. It has missing or
undeveloped body parts and organs. It may
not have individual fingers, but webs. It
may not even have toes. Its brain is not
much more than a blob at the top of the
spinal cord. It is incapable of sensations
because the spine is currently working
independently to connect itself to
immature muscle fibers, and so the spine
is not even truly connected to the brain.
Its skin is transparent like glass. THAT
is the "baby" I discuss. It is not a
person, not in any medical OR legal sense
that you can define a born person. It has
human DNA, and that's the only reason you
feel the right to remove a woman's right
to control her body.
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Posted: 02-03-08 14:52pm
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| milletics
wrote: | | Kypros
wrote: | | manuftw82
wrote: | | I care because I believe
every person deserves a chance at
life. |
I also believe every person
deserves a chance at life - that's why I'm
pro-choice. |
No. Thats just selfishness. You believe a
person can choose to kill another for
purely selfish
reasons. |
No, I don't believe that a person
can kill another [person]. I believe that
women, be it for selfish reasons or to
save their lives, should be allowed to
exercise bodily autonomy at whatever cost,
even if this includes the death of
parasitic organisms feeding off that body.
I consider it selfish, oppressive, and
misogynistic to believe that women should
be forced to repudiate their bodily rights
and self-determination for nine months in
order to contribute further to our
population crisis and bursting adoption
and fostering system and give birth to a
child they never wanted.
I urge you to read this article
on abortion and why the pro-life movement
is so weak.
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Birch
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Re: Why Do ProLife Advocates Care?
Posted: 02-03-08 15:49pm
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| guffaw
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | Could prolife advocates
please explain why they care so much?
I've left this purposefully vague because
I want people to interpret that question
freely.
Would love to hear the
responses...thanks! |
I cant imagine why no one touched this
baited thread for a couple days.
You ask why we care and then the first
person to give an answer sweet as can be
you guys jump all over her. There is no
wrong answer to this question. Why does it
make you people so mad when we defend that
unborn are babies. And life begins at
conception. Well I know, I know exactly
why it makes you so
angry. |
People are free to respond as they wish.
Look at you: you didn't even respond to
the thread; just a big ol' knock on all
those angry prochoicers.
How dare we be upset. I'm sorry. I'll
just let you take over my personal medical
decisions without a peep.
Of, and one of "your clan" was the first
to post an angry response.
| guffaw
wrote: | | Thats your twisted opinion
you fabricted for
yourself. |
Likewise.
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Posted: 02-03-08 19:56pm
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What? Still not a single pro-lifer able to
answer my challenge?
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manuftw82
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Posted: 02-03-08 22:58pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | manuftw82
wrote: | | I care because I believe
every person deserves a chance at
life. |
So you want preferential decision making
capability in women's medical decisions?
I have nothing against your opinion. It's
all the peripherals one would have to
utilize to get their opinion made into the
law of the land for everyone.
Let's say that I'm going to start the
"Create the Babies" foundation. Every
woman must give birth at least twice in
their life. The will be raped if they
don't consent. I think this is best
because women want babies. It's in their
best interest. They don't truly become a
valued person unless they have a baby.
And babies are the best thing ever.
That's my opinion. So it becomes law, and
you are raped repeatedly because of my
opinion. I don't care what you want. I
don't care if raping you is harmful. My
opinion is best and in your best
interests. And look, you get a wonderful
baby out of the deal! Isn't that lovely?
That's exactly what the prolife
philosophy makes me feel like. It makes
my skin crawl. |
I don't get why people who don't want
babies have sex. That's what it is there
for.
And your argument really makes no sense to
me. No one is TELLING these women to go
out and have sex and get pregnant. You
have sex and you get pregnant IT'S NO
ONE'S FAULT BUT YOUR OWN (assuming you
weren't raped).
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Birch
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Posted: 02-03-08 23:14pm
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| manuftw82
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | manuftw82
wrote: | | I care because I believe
every person deserves a chance at
life. |
So you want preferential decision making
capability in women's medical decisions?
I have nothing against your opinion. It's
all the peripherals one would have to
utilize to get their opinion made into the
law of the land for everyone.
Let's say that I'm going to start the
"Create the Babies" foundation. Every
woman must give birth at least twice in
their life. The will be raped if they
don't consent. I think this is best
because women want babies. It's in their
best interest. They don't truly become a
valued person unless they have a baby.
And babies are the best thing ever.
That's my opinion. So it becomes law, and
you are raped repeatedly because of my
opinion. I don't care what you want. I
don't care if raping you is harmful. My
opinion is best and in your best
interests. And look, you get a wonderful
baby out of the deal! Isn't that lovely?
That's exactly what the prolife
philosophy makes me feel like. It makes
my skin crawl. |
I don't get why people who don't want
babies have sex. That's what it is there
for.
And your argument really makes no sense to
me. No one is TELLING these women to go
out and have sex and get pregnant. You
have sex and you get pregnant IT'S NO
ONE'S FAULT BUT YOUR OWN (assuming you
weren't raped). |
I think you missed what I meant...
The point is that your opinions make me feel like
I'm raped over and over again. I'm
just telling you how your opinions make me
feel. I want you to understand where I am
coming from.
Your need to have preferential decision
making capabilty in my personal medical
decisions makes me feel like I am violated
over and over again. Does that make
sense?
Here's why I, a person who does not want
children, has sex. Maybe I can help you
understand...
I'm a 29 year old woman in a five year
committed relationship. Sex is a very
large part of intimacy, and I love this
man with all my heart and want to share
this special thing (sex) with him. Not
only do I value the spiritual connection
we share, but also the physical. He is
smokin' hot and I am a sexual creature. I
would not abstain from sex forever to
appease prolife individuals or because I
might get pregnant.
Does that help you to understand the
prochoice (or at least this prochoicer)
philosophy better?
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Posted: 02-03-08 23:43pm
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Also bear it in mind that women who can't
safely carry pregnancy or don't wish to
generally try over and over again to
electively sterilize and we're refused at
every turn. Women who don't breed have as
much right to a loving relationship as
women who do, and for that to happen with
a man, sex is usually a requirement.
Until things change as far as guaranteed
birth control, elective sterilization
without argument or males choosing to love
and remain faithful to a wife that won't
put out, women will be at risk of
pregnancies that they either cannot or
will not carry to term.
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