killbill
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Posted: 02-12-08 22:04pm
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Yeah my step neice is a real cutie too.
She's just so loving and sweet. Her mom
and dad probably won't ever have any other
kids though.
You would hope that someone would love and
raise that precious little angel though
and it's a LOT of work for a LOT longer
than a "normal" kid. Personally, I would
do whatever it took, but there are some
that admit they wouldn't be willing to if
they already had other kids for example.
Although, I think kids can learn a lot
from being around a kid who is disabled or
different in some way. When you don't
know any other life, it is normal for you.
It's just more work for the parents to
make sure all their kids feel loved and
valued.
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killbill
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Posted: 02-12-08 22:05pm
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Sorry, that post was barely intelligible.
Next time I'll read before I submit.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-12-08 22:07pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | The diagnosis is NOT "often
wrong". They wouldn't use those tests if
they were inaccurate.
"The first trimester screen now uses a
combination of the maternal age, the serum
quadruple screen, the serum marker PAPP-A,
and an ultrasound measurement of the back
of the neck of the fetus. When used
correctly, this first trimester screen has
a detection rate of approximately 95%
of all cases of Down syndrome, with a
false-positive rate of 5%."
http://www.ds-health.com/p
renatal.htm
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This is what they did to my friend and it
was false
positive. |
Well then your friend was in the tiny
minority. Don't spread her story as if it
is common, as clearly it is not.
And by the way, you think EVERY fetus
looks like a full grown baby.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 02-12-08 22:41pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | The diagnosis is NOT "often
wrong". They wouldn't use those tests if
they were inaccurate.
"The first trimester screen now uses a
combination of the maternal age, the serum
quadruple screen, the serum marker PAPP-A,
and an ultrasound measurement of the back
of the neck of the fetus. When used
correctly, this first trimester screen has
a detection rate of approximately 95%
of all cases of Down syndrome, with a
false-positive rate of 5%."
http://www.ds-health.com/p
renatal.htm
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This is what they did to my friend and it
was false
positive. |
Well then your friend was in the tiny
minority. Don't spread her story as if it
is common, as clearly it is not.
And by the way, you think EVERY fetus
looks like a full grown
baby. |
No she wasn't minority. But there is
conclusive diagnostics tests available
like amnio and CVS if any woman is worried
about it and want to know for sure.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-12-08 22:43pm
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If she wasn't in the minority, then what
do you consider 5% to be!? I consider that
the minority!!!
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nightangel73
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Posted: 02-12-08 22:48pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | If she wasn't in the
minority, then what do you consider 5% to
be!? I consider that the
minority!!! |
I don't believe everything from every
website.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-12-08 23:06pm
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Why not? Is it a biased website? Is it a
pro-choice website or something?
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nightangel73
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Posted: 02-12-08 23:21pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Why not? Is it a biased
website? Is it a pro-choice website or
something? |
You would be very ignorant just to believe
whatever you read online. You should
always use common sense. There is many
people that die because of doctor
mistakes.
If I were to abort a baby with downs
(which I would never do) at least I would
make a decision upon a conclusive
diagnostic test not for just a guess that
it might have Downs.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 02-12-08 23:46pm
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| nightangel73
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I pray to God for those who think this
precious little angel is worth being
aborted. |
And this does good why? By the time its
aborted it has not come to look anything
like that (not born with glasses on
either) and its not a fat happy little
baby. Its a fetus. It is underdeveloped
and if you had taken the actual time to
read the information on the tests and when
they are done, then compared them to what
an actual fetus looks like at that age you
might have understood my next words..
Stop the pity party bull pucky.
Deliberately using a misinformative
picture isn't really that interested save
in making it blatantly obvious that
pro-lifers are not capable of honesty.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-13-08 00:07am
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That is one heck of a fat baby, isn't it?
If my life were in danger nightangel, and
there was no definitive test - and there
isn't for downs until the child is born -
I would place my bets on the 95% chances
of living.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 02-13-08 14:44pm
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I hate when people think Down's Syndrome
is simply a matter of having mental
retardation.
Let's not forget that they are really
prone to heart disease and it is damned
near inevitable that by age 40, they will
develop Alzheimer's Disease. It isn't as
if we are depriving them of a life without
suffering to some extent.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 02-13-08 16:20pm
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Just for you Nightangle since you posted a
deliberately misleading and misinformatice
picture of a fully gestated, I'd estimate
5 month post birth by the fat deposits and
ability to hold itsself upright on its
arms (newborns don't do that .. didn't you
know that?) see What ot expect
of a 5 month old baby
at 18 weeks, around the time amniocentisis
is done the fetus is about 5.5 inches long
and weigh about 5.25 pounds.
I hope you will not post deliberate
misinformation again thanks though for
proving once again PFL will say anything
no matter how inaccurate.
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killbill
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Posted: 02-13-08 18:10pm
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5 pounds? really? that seems too heavy
for a five inch long baby. i would think
more like 2 pounds.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 02-13-08 19:57pm
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| Jincks013
wrote: | Just for you Nightangle
since you posted a deliberately misleading
and misinformatice picture of a fully
gestated, I'd estimate 5 month post birth
by the fat deposits and ability to hold
itsself upright on its arms (newborns
don't do that .. didn't you know that?)
see What ot expect
of a 5 month old baby
at 18 weeks, around the time amniocentisis
is done the fetus is about 5.5 inches long
and weigh about 5.25 pounds.
I hope you will not post deliberate
misinformation again thanks though for
proving once again PFL will say anything
no matter how
inaccurate. |
God I pray you for this woman who would
have aborted the life of this precious
child of your creation and we would have
missed to see this beautiful smile in our
world.
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sistersister
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Posted: 02-13-08 21:39pm
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I thought jesus instructed those who pray
to go into a closet and not let your right
side know what your left is speaking. I
don't remember any instruction to pray as
a public theater.
but since we are doing theater let me pray
for those who would appoint them selves as
owners of "god": Dear god please let this
person see that a woman is a living,
breathing, sentient fully developed human
being and not just a container for a zef
and a disposable unit for those who put
the zef above all else.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-13-08 23:14pm
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God, I pray to You and ask You
to remind some of Your followers that
everything You preach is about free will,
and that dictating a law that someone else
doesn't want to follow is against Your
ways. It is their choice to do as they
please. Only Your law is above ours, and I
don't see any specific law saying "do not
abort".
By the way, mine's less sarcastic and more
legit since I've decided to become a
liberal Christian as of recently.
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manuftw82
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Posted: 02-13-08 23:34pm
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| Jincks013
wrote: | Just for you Nightangle
since you posted a deliberately misleading
and misinformatice picture of a fully
gestated, I'd estimate 5 month post birth
by the fat deposits and ability to hold
itsself upright on its arms (newborns
don't do that .. didn't you know that?)
see What ot expect
of a 5 month old baby
at 18 weeks, around the time amniocentisis
is done the fetus is about 5.5 inches long
and weigh about 5.25 pounds.
I hope you will not post deliberate
misinformation again thanks though for
proving once again PFL will say anything
no matter how
inaccurate. |
ahh 5.25 pounds is a lot! I don't think
they weigh even a pound at 18 weeks.
Which probably just furthers your point.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 02-14-08 07:49am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Jincks013
wrote: | Just for you Nightangle
since you posted a deliberately misleading
and misinformatice picture of a fully
gestated, I'd estimate 5 month post birth
by the fat deposits and ability to hold
itsself upright on its arms (newborns
don't do that .. didn't you know that?)
see What ot expect
of a 5 month old baby
at 18 weeks, around the time amniocentisis
is done the fetus is about 5.5 inches long
and weigh about 5.25 pounds.
I hope you will not post deliberate
misinformation again thanks though for
proving once again PFL will say anything
no matter how
inaccurate. |
God I pray you for this woman who would
have aborted the life of this precious
child of your creation and we would have
missed to see this beautiful smile in our
world. |
Maybe you ought to pray to your non
existant diety for a healthy dose of
honesty instead. I do not find
deliberately posting misleading
information at all amusing
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Jincks013
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Posted: 02-14-08 07:50am
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| manuftw82
wrote: | | Jincks013
wrote: | Just for you Nightangle
since you posted a deliberately misleading
and misinformatice picture of a fully
gestated, I'd estimate 5 month post birth
by the fat deposits and ability to hold
itsself upright on its arms (newborns
don't do that .. didn't you know that?)
see What ot expect
of a 5 month old baby
at 18 weeks, around the time amniocentisis
is done the fetus is about 5.5 inches long
and weigh about 5.25 pounds.
I hope you will not post deliberate
misinformation again thanks though for
proving once again PFL will say anything
no matter how
inaccurate. |
ahh 5.25 pounds is a lot! I don't think
they weigh even a pound at 18 weeks.
Which probably just furthers your
point. |
Pardon.. mistype... that is 5.5 OUNCES
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Posted: 02-25-08 10:32am
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | At what stage of the
pregnancy can they tell? Does anyone
know? |
You can have a nuchal translucency test
(via ultrasound and bloodtests) from 11
weeks which will give an indication of the
risk and then further tests from that
point
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