Should people with AIDS, CANCER,etc, be able to get Medical Marijuana?
YES
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No
13%
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Total Votes : 15
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bobbette
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Posted: 02-02-08 12:16pm
If u are sooo sensitive about our supposed
"badgering"....get off this thread and go
on to another. i think u enjoy it though,
and believe on one thread you made a
statement that substantiates that
presumption. u thrive on being the most
erudite and in my opinion, verbose poster
on this site. If u can point out our
shortcomings as posters, then i think it
is only fair play that we reciprocate. We
use no foul language and believe we follow
the guidelines for posting on these
forums. If not, i am sure Eiri or someone
would let us know we are out of line or
remove the post. yes, i am college
educated and know plenty of those 11th
grade sat words, but do not find it
necessary to incorporate them in my
everyday life. I strive to be understood
by the written word--and sometimes simple
expression is the best way to achieve that
goal. I also do not want to be perceived
by others (of not above average
intelligence) as an intellectual snob or
worse yet--a pompous ass.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-02-08 13:11pm
All we are saying is give PEACE a chance.
Backpain1955, please, get over yourself
and if you don't like this thread then by
all means, move on to the back pain forums
in which you have yet to visit,
ALGONSDOC!!!!! Do you think just because I
had a stroke that I am a fool?
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-02-08 13:56pm
I also am college educated and prefer not
to squander the knowledge that was
imparted to me during that time by
assuming the mantle of a troglodytical
dotard. I find it most pretentious for
those with an education to excoriate those
that who are also educated for using
vocabulary they use in daily speech. It
is tantamount to making fun of a persons
accent or speech pattern or a person that
stutters. It is as much a fax pas as
castigating a person for being gay. The
dumbing down of society appears to be an
acceptable foundation for communicating
with those that elected to not pay
attention in high school, did not put
forth the effort to expand their
vocabulary, and now believe those that did
pay attention somehow believe they are
superior. In fact, those of us that love
the literature and the English language do
not feel superior, but we do feel empathy
for those that have elected to embrace the
vernacular of the drug culture in a debate
regarding legalization of some form of
marijuana for the treatment of chronic
diseases. Such use of monikers for drugs
and paraphernalia are not effective means
of communication with those that matter in
Congress, the DEA, and jurisdictional
federal agencies. However, if the point
of this debate is to spotlight the
similarities between those that use these
drugs for fun and for those that use them
due to disease through the pervasive
incorporation of drug culture lingo and
attitudes, then you have succeeded in
making the decisions easy for the
lawmakers.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-02-08 14:08pm
Your rant is lovely, but we don't really
care that you use big words by looking in
a thesaurus.
Get back to the point. You have been
presented with the knowledge of several
ways to use marijuana that do NOT include
"smoking" it. What have you to say to
that? You said the FDA would never
legalize a "smoked" drug: Well, these
people are not "smoking" it. In some cases
they are "inhaling", but as with Nicotine
you said "inhaling" was okay.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-02-08 14:55pm
Eiri
wrote:
Your rant is lovely, but we
don't really care that you use big words
by looking in a thesaurus.
Get back to the point. You have been
presented with the knowledge of several
ways to use marijuana that do NOT include
"smoking" it. What have you to say to
that? You said the FDA would never
legalize a "smoked" drug: Well, these
people are not "smoking" it. In some cases
they are "inhaling", but as with Nicotine
you said "inhaling" was
okay.
I doubt he/she will respond. That is
his/her modes operandi..get called out
then vanish
.... He/she has a habit
of taking threads and getting off topic
and destroying them until they are useless
to any one..
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bobbette
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Posted: 02-02-08 15:25pm
YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND RE-READ WHAT I
WROTE..IT SEEMS YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME
TRYING TO INGENIOUSLY ARTICULATE YOUR
"WORDS" THAT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WRITE AND
ASK ABOUT ARE COMPLETELY IGNORED BY U OR
DEEMED NOT WORTHY OF AN ANSWER. tHEY ARE
NOT PERSONAL, INVASIVE QUESTIONS --THEY
ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS THREAD. iT IS
FLAT RIDICULOUS TO INSINUATE THAT WHAT I
WROTE IS "TANTAMOUNT TO MAKING FUN OF A
PERSON'S ACCENT.....SPEECH PATTERN OR A
PERSON THAT STUTTERS." aND JUST TRULY lol
RE: CASTIGATING GAY PEOPLE. geeez....YOU,
SIR, ARE GUILTY OF THE "FAUX PAS." (NOT
FAX PAS) U have the right to post why u
write like u do, and i have the same
right. you were not being very nice to
the people who do not have the
intellectual capacity nor the means to
advance their education---not all are
lazy, drug consuming low lifes.
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Birch
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Posted: 02-02-08 16:36pm
backpain1955
wrote:
... I strive for
accuracy.
Then why champion the FDA?
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Birch
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Posted: 02-02-08 16:42pm
The rights of self-determination, informed
consent, and obtaining the most effective
treatment modality are trumps in my book.
If someone wants to use marijuana, if they
are educated about it, and it is
effective, they should by all rights have
easy access to it.
I have personally used marijuana to combat
migraine headaches, and sometimes for
recreational purposes. And although Eiri
may disagree with me I am doing quite
well biologically, intellectually,
emotionally, and socially.
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bobbette
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Posted: 02-02-08 16:56pm
Excellent point about championing the FDA
in back pain '55's quest for "accuracy." I
am really glad to hear u are doing so
well-- migranes are torture.
Did u care to submit a vote on homerxs'
poll?
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Birch
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Posted: 02-02-08 17:10pm
bobbette
wrote:
Excellent point about
championing the FDA in back pain '55's
quest for "accuracy." I am really glad to
hear u are doing so well-- migranes are
torture.
Did u care to submit a vote on homerxs'
poll?
Yes, I have.
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-02-08 18:25pm
It is interesting that Bobett believes
those on this forum do not have the
intelligence to converse at a 11th grade
level nor advance their education.
Inhaled but not smoked marijuana may
indeed have potential as a useful drug
once studied with the same clinical
rigorousness that is required of other
drugs approved by the FDA. Perhaps at
that time, an inhaled but not smoked form
would become available, then we could tell
the difference between those using it for
a legitimate medical purpose and the
potheads that simply want to get high by
smoking the drug illegally.
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bobbette
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Posted: 02-02-08 18:41pm
I did not specifically make a statement
re: the intellect of the people using
these forums. I was making a general
statement in response to your previous
statement of the "dumbing down of
society...."
How in the world do u think they could
tell the difference between the users of
medicinal mj and those illegal "potheads"?
There will always be a mix and there is
no way to police all of them--the not so
smart ones will get busted and the more
discreet will continue to be "potheads".
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Birch
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Posted: 02-02-08 19:00pm
backpain1955
wrote:
It is interesting that
Bobett believes those on this forum do not
have the intelligence to converse at a
11th grade level nor advance their
education.
Inhaled but not smoked marijuana may
indeed have potential as a useful drug
once studied with the same clinical
rigorousness that is required of other
drugs approved by the FDA. Perhaps at
that time, an inhaled but not smoked form
would become available, then we could tell
the difference between those using it for
a legitimate medical purpose and the
potheads that simply want to get high by
smoking the drug
illegally.
How familiar are you with the FDA approval
process?
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-02-08 20:05pm
Very.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-03-08 02:05am
Birch
wrote:
The rights of
self-determination, informed consent, and
obtaining the most effective treatment
modality are trumps in my book.
If someone wants to use marijuana, if they
are educated about it, and it is
effective, they should by all rights have
easy access to it.
I have personally used marijuana to combat
migraine headaches, and sometimes for
recreational purposes. And although Eiri
may disagree with me I am doing quite
well biologically, intellectually,
emotionally, and
socially.
Hey, I'm not the one saying marijuana is
bad for you. When consumed in other ways
than "smoked" it seems nothing more than a
mind-altering hallucinogen. While I don't
approve of the use of such drugs, it's not
my choice to make for OTHER people.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-03-08 02:06am
S/he still hasn't answered my question.
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-03-08 06:55am
Your question has been answered repeatedly
by me.
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Birch
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Posted: 02-03-08 10:57am
backpain1955
wrote:
Very.
Great. So again, why do you champion the
FDA?
For others, quick and dirty...the FDA
approves a medication based on studies
performed by...
The pharmaceutical company that produces
the drug, who are...
...in the pockets of doctors...
who run...
The FDA.
The head of the FDA right now is physician
Andrew Eschenbach. He, like all other
commissioners of the FDA, are confirmed by
Congress and the President. What are some
of the ways Congresspeople get the funding
for their campaigns?
Donations.
By who?
The pharmaceutical companies.
Now, I ask, would anyone without blinkers
on trust the FDA's approval process?
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:02pm
Eiri
wrote:
S/he still hasn't answered
my question.
She-he wont answer your question,Eiri
because then She/he would have to put the
flag down and say OK, you were right and
as I stated before, He/she is a right
fighter and will NEVER admit defeat, even
under the truth of science and
technology...a right fighter has to be
right no mater what and backpain1955 is a
right fighter...its like trying to reason
with a wall or trying to explain nuclear
physics to a hill billy...it just cant be
done!
But thats OK, I don't need nor do I want
someone like airpaine90210 on the same
page as I am...I just want he/she/it to
stop farting on my threads...OK,
algospain007, you don't agree, we get it,
you wont change your mind, you wont listen
to facts,you wont be swayed... we get it
already...can you please now go to the
geriatric pack pain forums and leave us
young whipper snapping pot heads (and
medical marijuana supporters)alone with
our vile illegal devils weed!!!
No? I didn't think so.... Oh well, que sera
sera ...whatever will be will be....
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:29pm
backpain1955
wrote:
Your question has been
answered repeatedly by
me.
No it hasn't you have not at all discussed
the issue of marijuana being able to be
imbibed in other ways than smoking, and
how this removes all of the dangerous
carcinogens and other detriments of
"smoking" it. It can be inhaled in a
different way that doesn't involve burning
it, it can be swallowed in many different
ways, including cooking it into foods.
SO, you said very clearly "The FDA will
never approve a smoked drug" and you made
it VERY clear that nicotine is "ok"
because nicotine is "inhaled", not
"smoked".
SO SO! As there are ways to consume
marijuana and reap the benefits WITHOUT
the harmful side effects of smoking it...
Do You Think The FDA Would Ever Approve
Marijuana Consumed In These Other, Non
Harmful, Beneficial, Ways?
According to your own logic, they must.
But you know why it may never happen?
Because the FDA only "approved" nicotine
due to the overwhelming pressure of the
tobacco companies. That's why.
.... 
He/she has a habit
of taking threads and getting off topic
and destroying them until they are useless
to any one..
I am doing quite
well biologically, intellectually,
emotionally, and socially.
No? I didn't think so.... 
