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Should people with AIDS, CANCER,etc, be able to get Medical Marijuana?
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No
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homerx

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Posted: 02-03-08 13:32pm

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backpain1955 wrote:
Very.


Great. So again, why do you champion the FDA?

For others, quick and dirty...the FDA approves a medication based on studies performed by...

The pharmaceutical company that produces the drug, who are...

...in the pockets of doctors...

who run...

The FDA.

The head of the FDA right now is physician Andrew Eschenbach. He, like all other commissioners of the FDA, are confirmed by Congress and the President. What are some of the ways Congresspeople get the funding for their campaigns?

Donations.

By who?

The pharmaceutical companies.

Now, I ask, would anyone without blinkers on trust the FDA's approval process?


backpain1955/algosdoc would believe the FDA if they told him/her to eat dog poop while singing " The Star Spangled Banner" and wearing red,white and blue skivvies! And he/she would do it with American Pride and Bush banners floating in the breeze because you should blindly follow and listen to everything the government tells you. right,backpain1955/algosdoc/who ever you really are???
Birch, it was algosdoc/backpain1955 who destroyed my original thread titled Medical Marijuana where in I told my very personal story and this person kept ranting and raving until my thread was cut to pieces and deleted and chopped up until it wasn't worth reading...which is the same thing he/she is doing to this one....good job, alpackdocpaindogpoo90210/8675309/5150/1955 /whatever...you REALLY need to hit the back pain forums at least once so that we can bye into your BS back pain story,algosdoc! You are not as smart as you think you are,sweetheart. kiss ....but que sera sera....whatever will be will be.... voices
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:37pm

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Your question has been answered repeatedly by me.

No it hasn't you have not at all discussed the issue of marijuana being able to be imbibed in other ways than smoking, and how this removes all of the dangerous carcinogens and other detriments of "smoking" it. It can be inhaled in a different way that doesn't involve burning it, it can be swallowed in many different ways, including cooking it into foods.

SO, you said very clearly "The FDA will never approve a smoked drug" and you made it VERY clear that nicotine is "ok" because nicotine is "inhaled", not "smoked".

SO SO! As there are ways to consume marijuana and reap the benefits WITHOUT the harmful side effects of smoking it...

Do You Think The FDA Would Ever Approve Marijuana Consumed In These Other, Non Harmful, Beneficial, Ways?

According to your own logic, they must. But you know why it may never happen? Because the FDA only "approved" nicotine due to the overwhelming pressure of the tobacco companies. That's why.


Very good point,Eiri...care to answer Eiri, backpain1955????????????? We are waiting for your response.... Shocked
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:44pm

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I did not specifically make a statement re: the intellect of the people using these forums. I was making a general statement in response to your previous statement of the "dumbing down of society...."
How in the world do u think they could tell the difference between the users of medicinal mj and those illegal "potheads"? There will always be a mix and there is no way to police all of them--the not so smart ones will get busted and the more discreet will continue to be "potheads".


Bobbette, I think backpain1955 has a particular ax to grind with you...I thought it was just me S/he wanted to blast but now I see He/she has started on you....but I know you, Bobbette, you can handle he/she with your hands tied behind your back and your eyes closed... 2thumbs go get 'em,tiger!!!! GGRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!! respect
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:54pm

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It is interesting that Bobett believes those on this forum do not have the intelligence to converse at a 11th grade level nor advance their education.

Inhaled but not smoked marijuana may indeed have potential as a useful drug once studied with the same clinical rigorousness that is required of other drugs approved by the FDA. Perhaps at that time, an inhaled but not smoked form would become available, then we could tell the difference between those using it for a legitimate medical purpose and the potheads that simply want to get high by smoking the drug illegally.


Bobbette has more knowledge in her little finger than you do in your entire brain..I knew her in college and she graduated at the top of her class..she is a REAL medical professional and NOT a poser...like you are!! I know FOR A FACT that Bobbette has worked in the medical field for many years...where as you cant even get your story straight...you, algonsdoc, are NOT a doctor and you basckpain1955 are algonsdoc....you ain't that cleaver and not half as smart as you think you are....answer the questions asked of you by Eiri and Bobbette and Birch and I or shut the H-E-double hockey sticks up already! You are avoiding the questions because you KNOW they are valid questions and that we are correct in our assumptions of you. You cant think fast enough to cover your tracks and its killing you. Laughing
I think one of the big things that is eating you alive is the fact that you have been out smarted by people half your age and that is driving you crazy! Wink But don't fret, backdocwhoeveryouare, your a spine surgeon, remember? You said so on another thread and then when asked particular questions...puff,like a cloud of smoke...you were gone, never to return...tisk tisk. But what is really sad is you built up peoples hopes that they were talking to an actual doctor and then when asked questions that you couldn't answer you disappeared, leaving them with nothing but shattered hopes of maybe getting some answers from you, not realizing that they were dealing with a fraud and not realizing that there questions would go unanswered!!!! Shame on you....for shame... Crying
or Very sad...building up peoples hopes of possibly resolving some of there back pain issues and instead you vanish, like a thief in the night. No answers to there questions, no resolutions, just gone...that is spineless and heartless and you should be ashamed, those people never did anything to you and you destroyed there hopes of getting an answer to there pack problems. I don't know how you sleep at night! You make me ashamed to be a member of the human race! Mad
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Posted: 02-03-08 17:16pm

Back pain'55 has not entered a post on this site in over 24 hours. That indicates to me one of two things : 1. S/he is busy compiling glorifying info on the fda to post here soon. or 2. S/he has gone away and on to another site. We have BIG problems with the medical system in the U.S. in general--not just the fda-- health care costs, 1 out of 7 Americans without health care insurance, the continued push for use of pharmaceutical drugs instead of herbal and alternative medicines that are just as effective with little or no side effects (BUT MUST BE CAREFUL IN MIXING HERBALS WITH THE RXS) and on and on..... We do not live in an utopian society....intimidation and fear has been a great stifling factor placed on the American people since 9/11.
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Posted: 02-03-08 17:20pm

Amen,sister!Smile
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Posted: 02-03-08 18:07pm

I repost this since some are incapable of finding my post on this thread:

Posted: 02-02-08 00:44am

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If it could be demontrated to the FDA the smokeless marijuana delivery system were safe and effective by the same standards that are applied to all other drugs submitted for approval, I think the FDA would view this very favorably. Then, if a person were to light up weed, it would not be considered marijuana but illicit drug abuse. This would be similar to how Oxycontin when used orally is a legal drug, but when dissolved in water and injected IV is illegal.


As for the FDA: it is the best system we have. If you personally want to invest the $25,000,000+ that it costs to have a drug approved, then go for it. I just don't buy Hillary-esque accusations of great right wing conspiracies. That logic died when her pathetic excuse of a husband was president and she was demonstrated to be the fool that she is. You may want to check out the movie "Conspiracy Theory", though...it was great entertainment.

As for herbals: increasingly there are studies debunking the herbal therapy myths of effectiveness. One by one, there are studies demonstrating the wonderful placebo effect of these drugs. Take a sugar pill and call it a herbal....for the most part you will achieve the same effects at much less expense.
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Posted: 02-03-08 19:15pm

Posted: 02-02-08 00:44am ???????
Thats about the same time algosdoc vanished....interesting...very interesting indeed...NOW, R U gonna answer Eiri and Birch and Bobbette's question or is that it???? Yeah, just as I thought.

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Posted: 02-03-08 20:17pm

wow--backpain'55--do all u older people live in the past or what? Clinton has been out of office for almost 8 years? How about talking about bush and what great strides he has made in his terms of office? His approval rating with the people? Fear and intimidation is the only thing keeping him from impeachment. This is the world we live in today--much different from the times we lived in during the Clinton adm. Unlike u , i am not a dem or rep.---politics like the fda reek of corruption and self-interests.
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Posted: 02-03-08 20:44pm

Uh, s/he DID just answer our question, or mine anyway. Thank you, backpain. Of course any prescription drug must be used in the ways it is prescribed to be used; that's why sudafed is now behind the pharmacy desk - it was being used inappropriately.
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Posted: 02-03-08 21:12pm

bobbette wrote:
wow--backpain'55--do all u older people live in the past or what? Clinton has been out of office for almost 8 years? How about talking about bush and what great strides he has made in his terms of office? His approval rating with the people? Fear and intimidation is the only thing keeping him from impeachment. This is the world we live in today--much different from the times we lived in during the Clinton adm. Unlike u , i am not a dem or rep.---politics like the fda reek of corruption and self-interests.


President Clinton ROCKED! (even though he didn't inhale...he was at least honest about it, unlike our current head of state) Clinton was in office for 2 terms, gas prices were low, groceries were low, the Wars that we are evolved in were nonexistent and the World didn't hate us. Bush and backpain1955/algonsdoc go together like peas and carrots...not a surprise. Rolling Eyes
Have you noticed that the 8 years since Clinton left office everything has gone to S*it? Gas is so high that you cant afford to fill your tank up, groceries, even at Wall Mart are sky high and we are either hated or at war with half the planet! But thats the conservative faith based republican party for you. As for Clinton and his discrepancies, that was between him and Hillary...that has nothing to do with the way he ran this country. When he was president, things were much MUCH better, without a doubt.

Eiri, she/he isn't going to answer any questions, only make inflammatory rants and avoid the topic of this thread. She/he doesn't play fair or follow the rules, she/he just goes what she/he pleases, anything to get people off topic. And He/she is a master at it. I can only imagine the mess his/her life is in due to his/her basket case mentality and inflammatory lifestyle. I cant imagine him/her being surrounded by friends and/or family. They ALL probably got sick of his/her lunatic rants YEARS ago.


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Posted: 02-03-08 21:14pm

My pleasure. While politics may be a nasty non-event for some, those with a shred of understanding about the US government know politics are everything. The next US president will largely set the tone for potential marijuana research for medical uses. I think we can safely write the republicans off this election, so it comes down to Hillary or Barack. Barack to me seems to be far less jaded, less bent on revenge, less stoic and intransigent than the Bill and Hillary show. Hillary believes the only way to win is by destroying the opponent and has actually stated this. Hopefully Barack's more fluid less regimented approach would translate into good leadership that could promote the necessary (but currently extremely restricted) marijuana research. Politics do matter a great deal.
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Posted: 02-03-08 21:36pm

So backpain, you answered one of Eiris questions. Bravo...it was like pulling teeth but you did it. Good Job! I think thats great. Now ,answer mine and Birch and Bobbette's...since we know that you are algonsdoc ,why did you pull this ruse? I understand why, but what was the point? Just to make it seem like someone else was on your side? Fun and games? You answered Eiris question but totally ignored all of mine...and Bobbette's...and Birch. And we both know why, don't we? You are one and the same. So what was the point of all this? Just to push your views on Medical Marijuana? Thats a little extreme but that has to be it. There could be NO other reason. Or could there? Of course there could. You skated right past all the pertinent questions and focused on the one you could pacify Eiri with because it is she that you are most afraid of. target
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Posted: 02-03-08 23:01pm

backpain1955 wrote:



As for the FDA: it is the best system we have. If you personally want to invest the $25,000,000+ that it costs to have a drug approved, then go for it.


It may be the "best" system we have, but it's not even close to good enough. I have very, very high standards for what medications go into my system, you should have the same.

backpain1955 wrote:
I just don't buy Hillary-esque accusations of great right wing conspiracies. That logic died when her pathetic excuse of a husband was president and she was demonstrated to be the fool that she is. You may want to check out the movie "Conspiracy Theory", though...it was great entertainment.
...


Always at the first sign of reality individuals who are sufficiently brainwashed perform such original feats as attacking the messenger, jumping into the "Conspiracy" hole, and assuming that anyone presenting the information believes that Elvis is still alive, King Tut's curse lives on in a pencil, and the Batboy the Enquirer wrote about lives in the jungle of Peru.

Do you have anything to refute the facts I posted? Because you didn't. Just so you know...

You didn't.

At all.

Not one little bit.

Nada.
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Posted: 02-04-08 06:05am

<<<<<yawn>>>>&g t;> boooorrrrinnnggg....
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:03am

backpain1955 wrote:
<<<<<yawn> >>>>> boooorrrrinnnggg....


you always revert back to yourself... Confused
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Posted: 02-04-08 12:09pm

How rude, back pain '55!!! All Birch did was to ask u to elaborate on what u know about the fda (besides what their supposed function is. ) You responded to his question of how knowledgeable you were about it with"very"--and we are supposed to run with that answer. --Please---participate nicely in the give and take of the forums or just communicate with algosdoc and yourself. Peace--Bobbette
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:11pm

backpain1955 wrote:
<<<<<yawn> >>>>> boooorrrrinnnggg....

Almost everything YOU write is boring.
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:17pm

By the way, about the time you signed up on this web site---nothing has been heard of Algosdoc-- why do u think that is so????
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:46pm

Because Algosdoc was banned, that's why. Again, things are being worked through with that. For now, stop calling him out and accusing him of being fake.
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