Should people with AIDS, CANCER,etc, be able to get Medical Marijuana?
YES
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No
12%
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:32pm
Birch
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backpain1955
wrote:
Very.
Great. So again, why do you champion the
FDA?
For others, quick and dirty...the FDA
approves a medication based on studies
performed by...
The pharmaceutical company that produces
the drug, who are...
...in the pockets of doctors...
who run...
The FDA.
The head of the FDA right now is physician
Andrew Eschenbach. He, like all other
commissioners of the FDA, are confirmed by
Congress and the President. What are some
of the ways Congresspeople get the funding
for their campaigns?
Donations.
By who?
The pharmaceutical companies.
Now, I ask, would anyone without blinkers
on trust the FDA's approval
process?
backpain1955/algosdoc would believe the
FDA if they told him/her to eat dog poop
while singing " The Star Spangled Banner"
and wearing red,white and blue skivvies!
And he/she would do it with American Pride
and Bush banners floating in the breeze
because you should blindly follow and
listen to everything the government tells
you. right,backpain1955/algosdoc/who ever
you really are???
Birch, it was algosdoc/backpain1955 who
destroyed my original thread titled
Medical Marijuana where in I told my very
personal story and this person kept
ranting and raving until my thread was cut
to pieces and deleted and chopped up until
it wasn't worth reading...which is the
same thing he/she is doing to this
one....good job,
alpackdocpaindogpoo90210/8675309/5150/1955
/whatever...you REALLY need to hit the
back pain forums at least once so that we
can bye into your BS back pain
story,algosdoc! You are not as smart as
you think you are,sweetheart. ....but que sera
sera....whatever will be will be....
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:37pm
Eiri
wrote:
backpain1955
wrote:
Your question has been
answered repeatedly by
me.
No it hasn't you have not at all discussed
the issue of marijuana being able to be
imbibed in other ways than smoking, and
how this removes all of the dangerous
carcinogens and other detriments of
"smoking" it. It can be inhaled in a
different way that doesn't involve burning
it, it can be swallowed in many different
ways, including cooking it into foods.
SO, you said very clearly "The FDA will
never approve a smoked drug" and you made
it VERY clear that nicotine is "ok"
because nicotine is "inhaled", not
"smoked".
SO SO! As there are ways to consume
marijuana and reap the benefits WITHOUT
the harmful side effects of smoking it...
Do You Think The FDA Would Ever Approve
Marijuana Consumed In These Other, Non
Harmful, Beneficial, Ways?
According to your own logic, they must.
But you know why it may never happen?
Because the FDA only "approved" nicotine
due to the overwhelming pressure of the
tobacco companies. That's
why.
Very good point,Eiri...care to answer
Eiri, backpain1955????????????? We are
waiting for your response....
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:44pm
bobbette
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I did not specifically make
a statement re: the intellect of the
people using these forums. I was making a
general statement in response to your
previous statement of the "dumbing down of
society...."
How in the world do u think they could
tell the difference between the users of
medicinal mj and those illegal "potheads"?
There will always be a mix and there is
no way to police all of them--the not so
smart ones will get busted and the more
discreet will continue to be
"potheads".
Bobbette, I think backpain1955 has a
particular ax to grind with you...I
thought it was just me S/he wanted to
blast but now I see He/she has started on
you....but I know you, Bobbette, you can
handle he/she with your hands tied behind
your back and your eyes closed... go get
'em,tiger!!!! GGRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 13:54pm
backpain1955
wrote:
It is interesting that
Bobett believes those on this forum do not
have the intelligence to converse at a
11th grade level nor advance their
education.
Inhaled but not smoked marijuana may
indeed have potential as a useful drug
once studied with the same clinical
rigorousness that is required of other
drugs approved by the FDA. Perhaps at
that time, an inhaled but not smoked form
would become available, then we could tell
the difference between those using it for
a legitimate medical purpose and the
potheads that simply want to get high by
smoking the drug
illegally.
Bobbette has more knowledge in her little
finger than you do in your entire brain..I
knew her in college and she graduated at
the top of her class..she is a REAL
medical professional and NOT a
poser...like you are!! I know FOR A FACT
that Bobbette has worked in the medical
field for many years...where as you cant
even get your story straight...you,
algonsdoc, are NOT a doctor and you
basckpain1955 are algonsdoc....you ain't
that cleaver and not half as smart as you
think you are....answer the questions
asked of you by Eiri and Bobbette and
Birch and I or shut the H-E-double hockey
sticks up already! You are avoiding the
questions because you KNOW they are valid
questions and that we are correct in our
assumptions of you. You cant think fast
enough to cover your tracks and its
killing you.
I think one of the big things that is
eating you alive is the fact that you have
been out smarted by people half your age
and that is driving you crazy! But don't fret,
backdocwhoeveryouare, your a spine
surgeon, remember? You said so on another
thread and then when asked particular
questions...puff,like a cloud of
smoke...you were gone, never to
return...tisk tisk. But what is really sad
is you built up peoples hopes that they
were talking to an actual doctor and then
when asked questions that you couldn't
answer you disappeared, leaving them with
nothing but shattered hopes of maybe
getting some answers from you, not
realizing that they were dealing with a
fraud and not realizing that there
questions would go unanswered!!!! Shame on
you....for shame... ...building up peoples hopes of possibly
resolving some of there back pain issues
and instead you vanish, like a thief in
the night. No answers to there questions,
no resolutions, just gone...that is
spineless and heartless and you should be
ashamed, those people never did anything
to you and you destroyed there hopes of
getting an answer to there pack problems.
I don't know how you sleep at night! You
make me ashamed to be a member of the
human race!
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bobbette
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Posted: 02-03-08 17:16pm
Back pain'55 has not entered a post on
this site in over 24 hours. That
indicates to me one of two things : 1.
S/he is busy compiling glorifying info on
the fda to post here soon. or 2. S/he has
gone away and on to another site. We have
BIG problems with the medical system in
the U.S. in general--not just the fda--
health care costs, 1 out of 7 Americans
without health care insurance, the
continued push for use of pharmaceutical
drugs instead of herbal and alternative
medicines that are just as effective with
little or no side effects (BUT MUST BE
CAREFUL IN MIXING HERBALS WITH THE RXS)
and on and on..... We do not live in an
utopian society....intimidation and fear
has been a great stifling factor placed on
the American people since 9/11.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 17:20pm
Amen,sister!
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-03-08 18:07pm
I repost this since some are incapable of
finding my post on this thread:
If it could be demontrated to the FDA the
smokeless marijuana delivery system were
safe and effective by the same standards
that are applied to all other drugs
submitted for approval, I think the FDA
would view this very favorably. Then, if a
person were to light up weed, it would not
be considered marijuana but illicit drug
abuse. This would be similar to how
Oxycontin when used orally is a legal
drug, but when dissolved in water and
injected IV is illegal.
As for the FDA: it is the best system we
have. If you personally want to invest
the $25,000,000+ that it costs to have a
drug approved, then go for it. I just
don't buy Hillary-esque accusations of
great right wing conspiracies. That logic
died when her pathetic excuse of a husband
was president and she was demonstrated to
be the fool that she is. You may want to
check out the movie "Conspiracy Theory",
though...it was great entertainment.
As for herbals: increasingly there are
studies debunking the herbal therapy myths
of effectiveness. One by one, there are
studies demonstrating the wonderful
placebo effect of these drugs. Take a
sugar pill and call it a herbal....for the
most part you will achieve the same
effects at much less expense.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 19:15pm
Posted: 02-02-08 00:44am ???????
Thats about the same time algosdoc
vanished....interesting...very interesting
indeed...NOW, R U gonna answer Eiri and
Birch and Bobbette's question or is that
it???? Yeah, just as I thought.
"Masquerading as a man with a reason
your charade is the event of the
season
and though you claim to be a wise
man
it surely means that you don't know"
-CARRY ON MY WAY WARD SON by
FOREIGNER
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bobbette
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Posted: 02-03-08 20:17pm
wow--backpain'55--do all u older people
live in the past or what? Clinton has
been out of office for almost 8 years?
How about talking about bush and what
great strides he has made in his terms of
office? His approval rating with the
people? Fear and intimidation is the only
thing keeping him from impeachment. This
is the world we live in today--much
different from the times we lived in
during the Clinton adm. Unlike u , i am
not a dem or rep.---politics like the fda
reek of corruption and self-interests.
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Posted: 02-03-08 20:44pm
Uh, s/he DID just answer our question, or
mine anyway. Thank you, backpain. Of
course any prescription drug must be used
in the ways it is prescribed to be used;
that's why sudafed is now behind the
pharmacy desk - it was being used
inappropriately.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 21:12pm
bobbette
wrote:
wow--backpain'55--do all u
older people live in the past or what?
Clinton has been out of office for almost
8 years? How about talking about bush and
what great strides he has made in his
terms of office? His approval rating
with the people? Fear and intimidation is
the only thing keeping him from
impeachment. This is the world we live in
today--much different from the times we
lived in during the Clinton adm. Unlike u
, i am not a dem or rep.---politics like
the fda reek of corruption and
self-interests.
President Clinton ROCKED! (even though he
didn't inhale...he was at least honest
about it, unlike our current head of
state) Clinton was in office for 2 terms,
gas prices were low, groceries were low,
the Wars that we are evolved in were
nonexistent and the World didn't hate us.
Bush and backpain1955/algonsdoc go
together like peas and carrots...not a
surprise.
Have you noticed that the 8 years since
Clinton left office everything has gone to
S*it? Gas is so high that you cant afford
to fill your tank up, groceries, even at
Wall Mart are sky high and we are either
hated or at war with half the planet! But
thats the conservative faith based
republican party for you. As for Clinton
and his discrepancies, that was between
him and Hillary...that has nothing to do
with the way he ran this country. When he
was president, things were much MUCH
better, without a doubt.
Eiri, she/he isn't going to answer any
questions, only make inflammatory rants
and avoid the topic of this thread. She/he
doesn't play fair or follow the rules,
she/he just goes what she/he pleases,
anything to get people off topic. And
He/she is a master at it. I can only
imagine the mess his/her life is in due to
his/her basket case mentality and
inflammatory lifestyle. I cant imagine
him/her being surrounded by friends and/or
family. They ALL probably got sick of
his/her lunatic rants YEARS ago.
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-03-08 21:14pm
My pleasure. While politics may be a
nasty non-event for some, those with a
shred of understanding about the US
government know politics are everything.
The next US president will largely set the
tone for potential marijuana research for
medical uses. I think we can safely write
the republicans off this election, so it
comes down to Hillary or Barack. Barack
to me seems to be far less jaded, less
bent on revenge, less stoic and
intransigent than the Bill and Hillary
show. Hillary believes the only way to win
is by destroying the opponent and has
actually stated this. Hopefully Barack's
more fluid less regimented approach would
translate into good leadership that could
promote the necessary (but currently
extremely restricted) marijuana research.
Politics do matter a great deal.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-03-08 21:36pm
So backpain, you answered one of Eiris
questions. Bravo...it was like pulling
teeth but you did it. Good Job! I think
thats great. Now ,answer mine and Birch
and Bobbette's...since we know that you
are algonsdoc ,why did you pull this ruse?
I understand why, but what was the point?
Just to make it seem like someone else was
on your side? Fun and games? You answered
Eiris question but totally ignored all of
mine...and Bobbette's...and Birch. And we
both know why, don't we? You are one and
the same. So what was the point of all
this? Just to push your views on Medical
Marijuana? Thats a little extreme but that
has to be it. There could be NO other
reason. Or could there? Of course there
could. You skated right past all the
pertinent questions and focused on the one
you could pacify Eiri with because it is
she that you are most afraid of.
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Birch
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Posted: 02-03-08 23:01pm
backpain1955
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As for the FDA: it is the best system we
have. If you personally want to invest
the $25,000,000+ that it costs to have a
drug approved, then go for it.
It may be the "best" system we have, but
it's not
even close to good enough. I have
very, very high standards for what
medications go into my system, you should
have the same.
backpain1955
wrote:
I just don't buy
Hillary-esque accusations of great right
wing conspiracies. That logic died when
her pathetic excuse of a husband was
president and she was demonstrated to be
the fool that she is. You may want to
check out the movie "Conspiracy Theory",
though...it was great entertainment.
...
Always at the first sign of
reality individuals who are sufficiently
brainwashed perform such original feats as
attacking the messenger, jumping into the
"Conspiracy" hole, and assuming that
anyone presenting the information believes
that Elvis is still alive, King Tut's
curse lives on in a pencil, and the Batboy
the Enquirer wrote about lives in the
jungle of Peru.
Do you have anything to refute the facts I
posted? Because you didn't. Just so you
know...
You didn't.
At all.
Not one little bit.
Nada.
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backpain1955
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Posted: 02-04-08 06:05am
<<<<<yawn>>>>&g
t;> boooorrrrinnnggg....
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homerx
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:03am
backpain1955
wrote:
<<<<<yawn>
>>>>>
boooorrrrinnnggg....
you always revert back to yourself...
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bobbette
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Posted: 02-04-08 12:09pm
How rude, back pain '55!!! All Birch did
was to ask u to elaborate on what u know
about the fda (besides what their supposed
function is. ) You responded to his
question of how knowledgeable you were
about it with"very"--and we are supposed
to run with that answer.
--Please---participate nicely in the give
and take of the forums or just communicate
with algosdoc and yourself.
Peace--Bobbette
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:11pm
backpain1955
wrote:
<<<<<yawn>
>>>>>
boooorrrrinnnggg....
Almost everything YOU write is boring.
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bobbette
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:17pm
By the way, about the time you signed up
on this web site---nothing has been heard
of Algosdoc-- why do u think that is
so????
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:46pm
Because Algosdoc was banned, that's why.
Again, things are being worked through
with that. For now, stop calling him out
and accusing him of being fake.