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WOW. & Breasfeeding. Posted: 02-04-08 11:08am
WOW...having 2 babies isn't easy.
Especially when you're breasfeeding. I
never knew HOW demanding breasfeeding is.
And how much of a learning experience it
is. And actually, more for ME than for
Nya. She's a pro. I'm the one slackin!
So, I've been exclusively breastfeeding
Nya since she was born.
My milk has finally come in, but she STILL
gets aggravated after feeding for about 40
mins (20 on each side). I try to get her
to stick to one breast per feeding, but
that doen't last but for like 15 mins. I
want her to get the hind milk from the
breast, but I feel like she's unlatching
too early. Or maybe my boob is running out
and she's just letting me know by
unlatching.
Man, this is such an out there post. And
I'm not sure how many people have been in
this position, but if ANYONE has ANY
advice...PLEASE...let me in on some!!
HOW do you manage a 21month olld and a 4
day old who's breastfeeding, and NOT lose
your mind...??
Oh, and I'm STILL coughing...
And I still haven't uploaded the vidoes to
drop shots. I've been in a cyclone it
seems...but I promise I'll get the link to
those who wanna see it. Just be patient
with me! lol!
Sarah
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rosejackson
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:15am
you've still got that cold? thats
horrible. i hope things get better. i've
got all this to come, have i? take it easy
x
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Ingi
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:17am
Sling. Girl you need a sling.
With the breast feeding thing... she is
getting the hindmilk if she is on for 20
minutes. You need to feed her off both
sides.
As far as parenting 2 kids 21 months
apart, I have no idea You can do it. Nap
when Oni naps and delegate as many chores
as possible! Get help if you can. Its only
rough the first few weeks (with breast
feeding too!) until you get your routine
established.
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young Girl
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:18am
oh sarah im sorry your still
sick! what the heck!!!!!! i thought it
would be gone by now
Wow you really do have your hands full!!!
I really can't help with the breastfeeding
stuff because I never did it....but good
for you for giving it a try
I'm sure that things will settle down in
the near future. Right now it is this HUGE
adjustment for everyone. I think that most
women have the feeling that they are going
to lose their mind at one point or another
after giving birth..lol
Take your time with the video, we all
understand that your time is very
limited!!
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Eyes Wide Shut
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:23am
Oh, I forgot to mention, she has Jaundice
too. I'm taking her to the Dr(not Oni's,
but the one from the hospital) today so he
can check her levels.
She's not pooping, so the biliruben keep
going up. It's a flashback from when Oni
was born. But this time I'm not FREAKING
out about it.
I have a feeling the Dr is going to want
me to supplement with formula to get her
to poop. I'd be fine with that. I'd give
her 'x' amount of ounces of formula, and
top her off with breastmilk. I'm just
concerned about her getting nipple
confusion.
SO far, she TOTALLY knows which
nipple(paci or boob), has the milk!!! She
wants NOTHING to do with the paci if she's
hungry. But she'll aceept it if she's got
a belly full. So that's a good sign for me
right now.
Baron's getting upset because he feels
there's NOTHING he can do, and Nya is
wanting to feed every 2/3 hours. He
doesn't realize that breastmilk ISN'T
thick like formula and they need it more
often. And I MUST give it to her if I want
my supply to go up...
Sarah
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OctoberBaby06
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:23am
Laura always has good tips for
breastfeeding!
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Eyes Wide Shut
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try breastfeeding a newborn and taking
care of a 11month old ey yi yi thats fun
im sorry your sick but like ing said get a
sling and 20 min on each side if pos try
to get both girls on same schedule that is
what i did and sleep when you can and
clean when you can not easy i know i had
to do it all by myself hubby not homwe and
no one close by plus i had a 5 year old to
boot but yes if some one offers say
yesssssss please and thank you lol i hope
it gets better soon your a great mom with
2 beautiful girls just like momma
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:38am
I don't have any advice about
breastfeeding, but I know how hard it can
be with 2 babies. It might be rough for a
while, but it gets easier with time. I'm
sure you will do great, you are a
wonderful mother. Does Oni have any
jealousy?
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Ingi
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:44am
It isn't that breast milk isn't thick like
formula, breast milk is MADE ONLY for
babies. There is very little 'waste' in
breastmilk. It is baby's perfect food.
With very little waste, they need to eat
it more often to keep up.
Once you have established a breast feeding
routine, it will be so much easier. KEEP
IT UP!
Also? Why on earth would a doctor advise a
woman NOT to breast feed? That is
ridiculous. In which case, you should
immediately contact a la leche league near
you for tips and advice on how to approach
a doctor who feels that you should
supplement your baby with formula!
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ebarnhard33
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:49am
Hang in there! I've never been in your
shoes, so I don't really have any advice
on the breastfeeding. But it sounds like
you're doing an AWESOME job! Has Baron
been able to take off any time from work
to help out?
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Ingi
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Posted: 02-04-08 11:52am
Here:
http://www.drgreene.o
rg/body.cfm?xyzpdqabc=0&id=21&acti
on=detail&ref=100
There are two types of jaundice that are
related to breast-feeding. They are called
breast-feeding jaundice and breast milk
jaundice. Breast-feeding jaundice is a
jaundice that may occur in the first week
of life in breast-fed infants. 13% of
breast-fed babies will develop jaundice in
the first week of life (Nelson Textbook of
Pediatrics, WB Saunders, 2000). The cause
of breast-feeding jaundice is thought to
be due to decreased milk intake leading to
dehydration or low caloric intake. The
incidence of breast-feeding jaundice may
be reduced by increasing the frequency of
feeding and not using too much water to
replace breast milk (Nelson Textbook of
Pediatrics, WB Saunders, 2000).]
Breast milk jaundice is far less common,
occurring in about 1 in 200 babies. Here
the jaundice is often not visible until
the baby is a week old and then reaches
its peak during the second or third week.
Breast milk jaundice can be caused either
by enzymes in mom's milk that deactivate
the baby's enzyme for dealing with
bilirubin or by fatty acids in mom's milk
that the baby processes as a priority over
processing the bilirubin.
Whichever the cause of breast milk
jaundice, if the mother continues to nurse
her baby, the jaundice will decrease and
disappear on its own, but this may take 3
to 10 weeks. If the mother stops nursing
for 1 or 2 days, substituting formula, the
bilirubin levels will drop rapidly. They
will not rise again when the nursing is
resumed.
Permanent damage or ill effects from
breast milk jaundice is extremely rare.
Phototherapy (lights used to lower
bilirubin) may be used if the level of
bilirubin is above 20 mg/dL. In breast
milk jaundice, stopping breast milk for 1
to 2 days can help the bilirubin level
drop rapidly. However, pediatricians and
neonatologists generally agree that most
babies who are well enough to feed may
continue to feed on breast milk. This is
true even when the bilirubin level is high
enough to require phototherapy.
I am breastfeeding...so i can totally
relate....try stripping her down to just a
diaper when she feeds....she'll stay
latched longer..
As for parenting 2 babies...yup...i am
doing that as well. Nathan is so
demanding right now.(more so than before
Nicolas) What I do is while I am
breastfeeding...i usually make myself
comfy on the couch...i turn cartoons on
and Nathan snuggles up to me too. That
way he feels loved as well.
get a sling too. You can breast feed
while she is in it...all the while doing
dishes...playing with Oni..etc...
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Eyes Wide Shut
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Posted: 02-04-08 12:36pm
Thanks for the tips ladies.
I'm sure it's breastfed jaundice.
Nya isn't pooping. SO sometimes Dr's will
have you UP the intake of food (breastmilk
AND formula) to encourage her to poop. OR
have her drink KARO water, to get her to
poop. OR suggest getting some
suppositories. YOu don't put the
suppository in and leave it, you just
aggravate the area and stimulate her urge
to push.
Poop = flushing of billiruben... my
options are MANY, and I'd prob choose
supplementing last.
This is the Dr from the hostpital and not
Oni, so I'm curious to see how he handles
this. And his views. So far, from what
I've met of him, he's VERY into
breastfeeding.
Surprisingly, the Brestfeeding consultant
called me today!!(this is PLUS visiting me
MANY times while I was in the hospital!)
She wanted an update on me and Nya and the
family.
SHe asked me some questions and was
pleased to hear that I was still breast
feeding her! I told her about Nya's Dr's
appt and what might come of it (the
recommendation of supplementing w/
formula), and she told me that if that was
the case, then to buy " a slow flow"
nipple to make her continue to work for
the formula. Not something that would just
fly down her throat. So she would remember
she has to WORK for her breastmilk. and
not get frustrated.
And for me to then top her off with
breastmilk for at least 10mins. This being
for her familiarity AND my milk supply!
So, I'm feeling a LOT better about it. No
matter what though, I don't intend on
giving up breastfeeding. I'm SOOOO excited
that it's going this good this far!! I
plan on breastfeeding for a LONG time!
sorry this was so long!
Sarah
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Ingi
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Posted: 02-04-08 12:56pm
I've done a lot of research on this,
Sarah. There is NO REASON TO DISCONTINUE
BREAST FEEDING AT ALL!
So called Breastmilk Jaundice
There is a condition commonly called
breastmilk jaundice. No one knows what the
cause of breastmilk jaundice is. In order
to make this diagnosis, the baby should
be at least a week old, though
interestingly, many of the babies with
breastmilk jaundice also have had
exaggerated physiologic jaundice. The
baby should be gaining well, with
breastfeeding alone, having lots of bowel
movements, passing plentiful, clear urine
and be generally well (handout #4 Is my
baby getting enough milk?). In such a
setting, the baby has what some call
breastmilk jaundice, though, on
occasion, infections of the urine or an
under functioning of the baby's thyroid
gland, as well as a few other even rarer
illnesses may cause the same picture.
Breastmilk jaundice peaks at 10-21 days,
but may last for 2-3 months. Breastmilk
jaundice is normal. Rarely, if ever, does
breastfeeding need to be discontinued even
for a short time. There is not one bit of
evidence that this jaundice causes any
problem at all for the baby. Breastfeeding
should not be discontinued "in order to
make a diagnosis". If the baby is truly
doing well on breast only, there is no
reason, none, to stop breastfeeding or
supplement with a lactation aid, for that
matter. The notion that there is something
wrong with the baby being jaundiced comes
from the assumption that the formula
feeding baby is the standard by which we
should determine how the breastfed baby
should be. This manner of thinking,
almost universal amongst health
professionals, truly turns logic upside
down. Thus, the formula feeding baby is
rarely jaundiced after the first week of
life, and when he is, there is usually
something wrong. Therefore, the baby with
so called breastmilk jaundice is a concern
and "something must be done". However, in
our experience, most exclusively breastfed
babies who are perfectly healthy and
gaining weight well are still jaundiced at
5-6 weeks of life and even later. The
question, in fact, should be whether it is
normal not to be jaundiced and is this
absence of jaundice something we should
worry about? Do not stop breastfeeding
for “breastmilk” jaundice.
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sick_mama17
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:07pm
I totally agree with ingi, theres no
reason to "top up" breastmilk with formula
milk!!
I breastfed jayden for a year, for the
first few weeks he was feeding every 2
hours. Its much easier for them to digest
than formula which is why they need
feeding more often....yeah thats hard on
the mum but if its better for the baby
then its sooo worth it!
To increase your milk supply try drinking
loads of water, I found that helped me,
and you should still be eating more
calories than pre-pregnancy because of the
calories needed for breastmilk. So Baron
could help there by cooking you healthy
snacks/meals
Personally I fed jay on one boob at a
feeding. I was advised to do that, and
hadn't heard about feeding them on each
boob at the same feeding time. I found it
worked for me just doing it on one,
because then the other boob had time to
fill up with milk ready for the next
feeding and vice versa.
The best tip I *ever* got with
breastfeeding was to put a bit of vaseline
on my nipples after each feeding (and
before if necessary) to stop them getting
sore or cracked. Mine were sooooo sore in
hospital they bled, then the midwife gave
me that tip.
Sorry no advise for taking care of 2
babies, I dont envy you there lol!
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Ingi
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:10pm
sick_mama17
wrote:
I totally agree with ingi,
theres no reason to "top up" breastmilk
with formula milk!!
I breastfed jayden for a year, for the
first few weeks he was feeding every 2
hours. Its much easier for them to digest
than formula which is why they need
feeding more often....yeah thats hard on
the mum but if its better for the baby
then its sooo worth it!
To increase your milk supply try drinking
loads of water, I found that helped me,
and you should still be eating more
calories than pre-pregnancy because of the
calories needed for breastmilk. So Baron
could help there by cooking you healthy
snacks/meals
Personally I fed jay on one boob at a
feeding. I was advised to do that, and
hadn't heard about feeding them on each
boob at the same feeding time. I found it
worked for me just doing it on one,
because then the other boob had time to
fill up with milk ready for the next
feeding and vice versa.
The best tip I *ever* got with
breastfeeding was to put a bit of vaseline
on my nipples after each feeding (and
before if necessary) to stop them getting
sore or cracked. Mine were sooooo sore in
hospital they bled, then the midwife gave
me that tip.
Sorry no advise for taking care of 2
babies, I dont envy you there
lol!
I used lasinoh on my nipples. But only
after they cracked (ouch!). I'm glad you
got such GREAT advice! Please keep sharing
it with every new mom you meet!!
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yellow ribbon
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:37pm
i think i blocked those memories from my
head, i cant remember much. I know I would
feed from both boobs, each for about 15
mins. Get a sling to help hold her up so
you have a free arm and a boppy pillow if
you dont already have one. they get heavy
after awhile!
Is there anything that distracts Oni? like
a particular show? Try recording a few
episodes or getting a DVD of one and when
you sit down to feed Nya turn one episode
on for her.
also try to get Nyas feeding insync with
Onis nap so once Onis asleep you and Nya
can go lay in bed, she can eat and yall
can have a catnap.
If Barons looking to help more, at night
let him do the changing and then you feed
her. Make Oni his kid when he gets home so
when you are feeding Nya you dont have to
worry about Oni.
I hope this darn cold goes away! IM sick
of you being sick lol
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Eyes Wide Shut
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Posted: 02-04-08 13:49pm
GOOD! I'm glad that I won't have to
supplement!! I REALLY didn't want to even
introduce her to the bottle.
SInce my milk has come down, I can ALREADY
tell a difference in her feedings!! She's
getting nice long gulps!!
I just wonder why she WON'T poop! They had
to do an enema in the hospital Saturday
night to get her to poop. The nurse said
it was REALLY thick, and that's why she
was prob having a harder time getting it
out.
It kinda worries me because I know she
SHOULD be pooping a couple times a day
because she's breasfed!
im sorry your still
sick! what the heck!!!!!! i thought it
would be gone by now 
