and also, dying from
childbirth isn't nearly as common as it
was a century ago because of the modern
medical technically, so you gals can't use
that as an excuse to
abort.
actually, because the health risks of
being pregnant and dying in childbirth are
so significant, you can use it as "an
excuse" -- it's enough justification for a
doctor to
abort.
i know that this was
posted awhile ago, but I thought about
what you said here janet, and I know of a
woman back in the mid-1970's who doctors
told should abort the child that she was
pregnant with because they discovered that
she had cancer and needed to have a
hysterectomy. Well, against doctors'
advice, she carried the pregnancy
full-term and had the hysterectomy after
she had the baby. As it turns out, she
was just fine. Perhaps she was just
lucky, I don't know. But the point i'm
trying to make is that she chose to keep
her baby even at the expense of her own
health. This sheds some light on why I
feel such anger towards women who so
freely abort in situations where their
health is not at risk. If there are some
women who are willing to keep a baby at
the expense of their own health and
perhaps life even, I think it says a lot
for women who are against abortion.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 11-08-04 11:54am
How excellent that someone has the c h o I
c e whether or not to take that risk.
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Tubby
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Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 120
Posted: 11-09-04 11:42am
Yes, I think that it is quite honorable
that there are women who actually aren't
selfish out there and that is why I posted
it. I know that many women out there
argue that abortion is necessary sometimes
because of medical complications, but I
honestly feel that with medical technology
being what it is in the 21st century that
the percentage of those cases are small.
Most women chose to terminate pregnancies
simply because they don't want the
responsibility of raising a child. I
think that if abortion wasn't legal, you'd
see a lot less irresponsible pregnancies.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 11-09-04 11:45am
I agree!
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Tubby
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 120
Posted: 11-09-04 13:55pm
izzy
wrote:
i
agree!
finally, I have someone
on my side. :d
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 11-10-04 07:06am
I think anyone with common sense would
agree with that statement!
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PattyV
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Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 11-10-04 13:25pm
Sorry,can't agree with you on that one!If
abortion were not legal,we'd see many more
women dying because of butchered
abortions.We'd also see an even higher
incidence of child abuse.Many horrific
cases of child abuse occured in years
past,but were seldom known outside their
communities ,due to lack of outside
communication.With satelllites and
internet ,we know much more, from a wider
area.Don't kid yourselves,women would
still find ways to have abortions,they
were done by reputable doctors for a hefty
price ,as well as the back alley
butchers.Many midwives also performed
abortions(in secret,of course).Abortion
will not disappear just because it is
illegal.That has not worked for drugs,has
it???!!!Just a thought.Patty
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 11-10-04 23:50pm
Well said pattyv, this is why women are
given a choice, and definitely some
children should not be born in a world
where they are neglected and abused and
the so-called parents will not give the
children up as it is a very messed up
world and system we live in now adays,
heck, some of these so-called parents can
not even take care of themselves let alone
a child and these girls 12-16y/o cannot
even support them selves, then they want
the tax-payers to not only help them have
a baby but raise them also. I bet I get
slammed for this one, well at least it is
the truth, I see it everyday.
Sincerely,
sandy
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Izzy
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Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 11-11-04 06:13am
Well there is no proof that child abuse
would rise if abortion were ilegal,
statistics show a steady increase in child
abuse since abortion became legal also it
shows that those who are abused are wanted
children. I happen to disagree with this
statistic because in america 1.6 million
unborn children are abused to death each
year.
Just a question if abortion were made
ilegal except for hard cases (i.E rape,
incest, mothers life) which constitutes
around 3% of all abortions how many lives
would be saved? I ask this because I am
not very good at maths.
Also if you look at the stats prior to roe
v wade you will see the death toll was
coming down, the number of deaths per year
is not much different to pre roe v wade it
was medical developments and cleanliness
that prevented deaths not the legality.
As most abortions were preformed by
doctors and midwives in hospitals etc.
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Daile
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 319 Location: Missouri
Posted: 11-11-04 07:08am
Sandy, I am not slamming you, I just want
to say that you shouldn't make
generalizations like that. Yes, some
teen mothers rely on welfare to help with
their children. But so do some adults.
Adults use taxpayers money to provide for
their children just as much as teenagers
do. Also, why do you say 12-16 year
olds? What about girls younger than 12?
What about 17 year olds? There is no
magic number where women become capable of
providing for a child on their own. It
is circumstantial, and you shouldn't try
to make it otherwise.
Daile
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Izzy
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Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 11-11-04 12:49pm
I would imagine the majority of mothers on
walfare would be adults.
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 11-11-04 17:25pm
I did say, so-called parents, doesn't that
also cover adults too, and 17y/olds should
be working, especially if they choose to
become pregnant, I started working and
paying taxes when I was 13 and I have not
asked for anything for free! Girls that
are 8-11 should not even think of having
sex just like girls 12-16, where is the
pride! These young girls are messing up
there lives, this is why their should be a
choice and the correct choice should be
made! Taxes is not all about welfare!
Welfare should be about these women or
men that lose their spouses, or get hooked
up with these dead beat mates, but they
should be made to work for the benefits
instead of most of them being leeches and
they should be taught to take care of
these chidren correctly, welfare is also
about helping the elderly and sick, about
retraining someone who is handicap or
those that cannot be retrained welfare is
not all about kids having kids and adults
having kids that want to be supported!
Sincerely,
sandy
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PattyV
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Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 11-12-04 16:28pm
Look,i do not have any stats that I can
pull out to justify my point.I have,
however spoken with many women who have
either had the illegal abortions
themselves or have known someone who did.I
have an aunt who died in the depression
because of an abortion performed by a
midwife in her home.I have spoken to my
mom about her friends who had them and the
humiliation they endured during the
procedure and the infection afterwards.I
do not support abortion as birth
control,but there are times when a woman
should be able to decide if she wants to
continue a pregnancy.Every woman has her
own personal reasons for her choice and
it's not my place to judge.If a woman
chooses to have or not have her baby,i
support her choice to do as she sees
fit.Patty
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sassyveg
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 1 Location: new york
Posted: 12-02-04 21:01pm
tubby
wrote:
i said in some of my other
posts that I realize that contraceptives
can fail. I'm not uneducated just
because I see things differently than
women who are prochoice and see nothing
wrong with sex outside of marriage. I
don't agree with abortion because I
believe that the act itself is not a nice
act and not a nice act, as we all know, is
wrong, although I know that people who are
prochoice would disagree with me on that,
but that is their choice to think that
way. Also. I'm against abortion
because I believe that in some cases it
encourages irresponsible pregnancies.
Also, I don't see why adoption can't be
seen a viable alternative to abortion.
In my opinion, just because you can't keep
the baby because of financial or whatever
other reasons doesn't mean you have to
have the baby
aborted.
i consider myself to be pro-choice, but I
do agree with you that abortion is "not a
nice act". I personally could not have
an abortion unless my own life depended on
it, especially after watching friends go
through pregnancy and have babies. Call
it morals, call it whatever you want, but
i'm not going to force my beliefs or
feelings on anyone else. No one seems to
take into account the emotional toll it
takes on a woman who decides to get an
abortion. Those who are pro-life should
stop making it sound like women use
abortion as another form of birth control,
and start realizing that for most women,
the choice to have one is difficult and is
something she lives with for the rest of
her life. But she still has the right to
make that choice.
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xphile_1002
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Location: , Ohio United States
Posted: 12-03-04 11:01am
tubby
wrote:
case in point right here.
"ass" is a nasty curse
word.
ass is a nasty curse word? Anal retentive
much?
tubby
wrote:
and also, dying from
childbirth isn't nearly as common as it
was a century ago because of the modern
medical technically, so you gals can't use
that as an excuse to
abort.
well, my mom could have used it as a very
good excuse to abort, as the doctors told
her that if she had anymore kids she would
die. But, hey, you won't believe me, so
why do I try?
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xphile_1002
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Location: , Ohio United States
Posted: 12-03-04 11:06am
tubby
wrote:
i'm saying that if abortion
was illegal, then perhaps some of these
ignorant women who keep having unwanted
pregnancies would think twice and take the
responsibility to use contraception to
prevent the pregnancies from happening in
the first
place.
this is the only unplanned (not saying
unwanted because I obviously want it)
pregnancy i've ever had...And it happened
while I was using contraception. *gasp*
but you'd probably say I was irresponsible
anyway because i'm pregnant outside of
marriage.
I've noticed that with most prolifers,
you're damned if you do and damned if you
don't.