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Tubby

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Posted: 11-08-04 11:05am

janetbee wrote:
tubby wrote:
and also, dying from childbirth isn't nearly as common as it was a century ago because of the modern medical technically, so you gals can't use that as an excuse to abort.


actually, because the health risks of being pregnant and dying in childbirth are so significant, you can use it as "an excuse" -- it's enough justification for a doctor to abort.
i know that this was posted awhile ago, but I thought about what you said here janet, and I know of a woman back in the mid-1970's who doctors told should abort the child that she was pregnant with because they discovered that she had cancer and needed to have a hysterectomy. Well, against doctors' advice, she carried the pregnancy full-term and had the hysterectomy after she had the baby. As it turns out, she was just fine. Perhaps she was just lucky, I don't know. But the point i'm trying to make is that she chose to keep her baby even at the expense of her own health. This sheds some light on why I feel such anger towards women who so freely abort in situations where their health is not at risk. If there are some women who are willing to keep a baby at the expense of their own health and perhaps life even, I think it says a lot for women who are against abortion.
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Posted: 11-08-04 11:54am

How excellent that someone has the c h o I c e whether or not to take that risk.
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Tubby

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Posted: 11-09-04 11:42am

Yes, I think that it is quite honorable that there are women who actually aren't selfish out there and that is why I posted it. I know that many women out there argue that abortion is necessary sometimes because of medical complications, but I honestly feel that with medical technology being what it is in the 21st century that the percentage of those cases are small. Most women chose to terminate pregnancies simply because they don't want the responsibility of raising a child. I think that if abortion wasn't legal, you'd see a lot less irresponsible pregnancies.
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Izzy

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Posted: 11-09-04 11:45am

I agree!
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Tubby

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Posted: 11-09-04 13:55pm

izzy wrote:
i agree!
finally, I have someone on my side. :d
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Izzy

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Posted: 11-10-04 07:06am

I think anyone with common sense would agree with that statement!
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PattyV

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Posted: 11-10-04 13:25pm

Sorry,can't agree with you on that one!If abortion were not legal,we'd see many more women dying because of butchered abortions.We'd also see an even higher incidence of child abuse.Many horrific cases of child abuse occured in years past,but were seldom known outside their communities ,due to lack of outside communication.With satelllites and internet ,we know much more, from a wider area.Don't kid yourselves,women would still find ways to have abortions,they were done by reputable doctors for a hefty price ,as well as the back alley butchers.Many midwives also performed abortions(in secret,of course).Abortion will not disappear just because it is illegal.That has not worked for drugs,has it???!!!Just a thought.Patty
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sandyallen

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Posted: 11-10-04 23:50pm

Well said pattyv, this is why women are given a choice, and definitely some children should not be born in a world where they are neglected and abused and the so-called parents will not give the children up as it is a very messed up world and system we live in now adays, heck, some of these so-called parents can not even take care of themselves let alone a child and these girls 12-16y/o cannot even support them selves, then they want the tax-payers to not only help them have a baby but raise them also. I bet I get slammed for this one, well at least it is the truth, I see it everyday.
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Izzy

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Posted: 11-11-04 06:13am

Well there is no proof that child abuse would rise if abortion were ilegal, statistics show a steady increase in child abuse since abortion became legal also it shows that those who are abused are wanted children. I happen to disagree with this statistic because in america 1.6 million unborn children are abused to death each year.


Just a question if abortion were made ilegal except for hard cases (i.E rape, incest, mothers life) which constitutes around 3% of all abortions how many lives would be saved? I ask this because I am not very good at maths.

Also if you look at the stats prior to roe v wade you will see the death toll was coming down, the number of deaths per year is not much different to pre roe v wade it was medical developments and cleanliness that prevented deaths not the legality. As most abortions were preformed by doctors and midwives in hospitals etc.
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Daile

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Posted: 11-11-04 07:08am

Sandy, I am not slamming you, I just want to say that you shouldn't make generalizations like that. Yes, some teen mothers rely on welfare to help with their children. But so do some adults. Adults use taxpayers money to provide for their children just as much as teenagers do. Also, why do you say 12-16 year olds? What about girls younger than 12? What about 17 year olds? There is no magic number where women become capable of providing for a child on their own. It is circumstantial, and you shouldn't try to make it otherwise.

Daile
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Izzy

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Posted: 11-11-04 12:49pm

I would imagine the majority of mothers on walfare would be adults.
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sandyallen

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Posted: 11-11-04 17:25pm

I did say, so-called parents, doesn't that also cover adults too, and 17y/olds should be working, especially if they choose to become pregnant, I started working and paying taxes when I was 13 and I have not asked for anything for free! Girls that are 8-11 should not even think of having sex just like girls 12-16, where is the pride! These young girls are messing up there lives, this is why their should be a choice and the correct choice should be made! Taxes is not all about welfare! Welfare should be about these women or men that lose their spouses, or get hooked up with these dead beat mates, but they should be made to work for the benefits instead of most of them being leeches and they should be taught to take care of these chidren correctly, welfare is also about helping the elderly and sick, about retraining someone who is handicap or those that cannot be retrained welfare is not all about kids having kids and adults having kids that want to be supported!
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PattyV

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Posted: 11-12-04 16:28pm

Look,i do not have any stats that I can pull out to justify my point.I have, however spoken with many women who have either had the illegal abortions themselves or have known someone who did.I have an aunt who died in the depression because of an abortion performed by a midwife in her home.I have spoken to my mom about her friends who had them and the humiliation they endured during the procedure and the infection afterwards.I do not support abortion as birth control,but there are times when a woman should be able to decide if she wants to continue a pregnancy.Every woman has her own personal reasons for her choice and it's not my place to judge.If a woman chooses to have or not have her baby,i support her choice to do as she sees fit.Patty
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Posted: 12-02-04 21:01pm

tubby wrote:
i said in some of my other posts that I realize that contraceptives can fail. I'm not uneducated just because I see things differently than women who are prochoice and see nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage. I don't agree with abortion because I believe that the act itself is not a nice act and not a nice act, as we all know, is wrong, although I know that people who are prochoice would disagree with me on that, but that is their choice to think that way. Also. I'm against abortion because I believe that in some cases it encourages irresponsible pregnancies. Also, I don't see why adoption can't be seen a viable alternative to abortion. In my opinion, just because you can't keep the baby because of financial or whatever other reasons doesn't mean you have to have the baby aborted.


i consider myself to be pro-choice, but I do agree with you that abortion is "not a nice act". I personally could not have an abortion unless my own life depended on it, especially after watching friends go through pregnancy and have babies. Call it morals, call it whatever you want, but i'm not going to force my beliefs or feelings on anyone else. No one seems to take into account the emotional toll it takes on a woman who decides to get an abortion. Those who are pro-life should stop making it sound like women use abortion as another form of birth control, and start realizing that for most women, the choice to have one is difficult and is something she lives with for the rest of her life. But she still has the right to make that choice.
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xphile_1002

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Posted: 12-03-04 11:01am

tubby wrote:
case in point right here. "ass" is a nasty curse word.

ass is a nasty curse word? Anal retentive much?

tubby wrote:
and also, dying from childbirth isn't nearly as common as it was a century ago because of the modern medical technically, so you gals can't use that as an excuse to abort.


well, my mom could have used it as a very good excuse to abort, as the doctors told her that if she had anymore kids she would die. But, hey, you won't believe me, so why do I try?
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xphile_1002

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Posted: 12-03-04 11:06am

tubby wrote:
i'm saying that if abortion was illegal, then perhaps some of these ignorant women who keep having unwanted pregnancies would think twice and take the responsibility to use contraception to prevent the pregnancies from happening in the first place.


this is the only unplanned (not saying unwanted because I obviously want it) pregnancy i've ever had...And it happened while I was using contraception. *gasp*

but you'd probably say I was irresponsible anyway because i'm pregnant outside of marriage.

I've noticed that with most prolifers, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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