Please Read If Considering Injections Or Back Surgery Posted: 05-01-04 22:44pm
While I respect everyones decision to make
the best possible health choice for
themselves, it concerns me as a doctor,
that many people here are encouraging
others to consider electing injection or
surgery as a choice. I think that people
that are reading these boards should be
aware this is someones opinion and you
need to do some research to make the right
choices. I would suggest that those
considering back surgery do a search on
"failed back surgery syndrom" you will be
surprised that the failure rate is higher
then the success rate... Again, look for
your self... Also, please read the below
remarks on injections of steriods and note
that its only treating pain and
inflamation, and not correcting the cause.
In addition, note the contraindication,
and how bad they are...
What is cortisone?
Cortisone is a hormone, subgroup steroid
hormones. A group of the steroid hormones
are again the corticoids. They are formed
in the cortex of suprarenal gland and are
fat-solvable. That means they could get
easily through the cell membrane and have
varied effects on the body. For example
they control the blood sugar,
lipometabolism, influence the formation of
red blood cells, the immune system,
kidneys, muscles, bones and the nervous
system.
Which effects occur during the treatment
with cortisone?
Is a steroid hormone given it can
interfere with the functions of the body
depending on the duration of the therapy.
Some examples of the effects are:
fat and water will be retained in the body
increased blood-sugar levels
osteoporosi
increased appetite
anti-inflammatory
suppression of the immune system
if cortisone is used for a longer period
of time the body reacts with a reduction
or stop its natural steroid production.
That is why the intake of cortisone should
never be stopped all of a sudden. The
longer it was given the slower the intake
should be reduced. If that is not taken
into account a so-called morbus addison
can occur (sometimes temporarily), that
means that there is a deficit of
cortisone. Humans and animals, who suffer
from it must take steroids for the rest of
their lives to balance the deficiency as
without it no creature could survive.
If too much cortisone is given a cushing
syndrome can occur. This kind of disease
is very rare in cats but also very hard to
treat. Diabetes mellitus triggered by
cortisone is quite common as well as
gastrointestinal problem and
gastrointestinal ulcers. Therefore it is
important to start a therapy with
cortisone only when necessary and if
possible a low dosage given suckers as
possible.
Cortisone and hiv
since the activation of the immune system
can lead to the acceleration of the
hiv-virus-replication and therefore to an
increased virus load. Human medicine is
thinking about reverse therapy. The idea
is easy: with suppression of the immune
system the increase of the virus should be
suppressed as well. Trials with different
drugs such as cyslosporin a, interleukin
10 and corticosteroids were made. There
was a response with the trial of
prednisolon, which was given for a year.
The amount of cd4-cells and t-lymphocytes
decreased within the first three month of
the therapy and stayed more or less the
same within a year. But there was no
decrease of virus load. (andrieu jm., lu
w., levy r., 1995). Because of the
serious side effect such a therapy is not
recommended for human medicine.
Cortisone and fiv
other than in human medicine cortisone is
still used by veterinarians on
fiv-positive cats. But the decrease of
the virus load is not the aim (since this
test it is not available in germany) but
the treatment of several inflammable side
diseases such as gingivitis, ostitis or
dermatitis.
However, from human medicine we learned
that the use of cortisone has advantages
and disadvantages. The inflammation can
be cured for a short while or at least
reduced but it is not good for the immune
system. The cd4-cells, which are already
reduced by the fiv-virus are further
reduced by the intake of cortisone. With
cortisone a short-term improvement of the
situation can be reached but in the
long-term the course of the disease is
speeded up. In most cases the improvement
of the situation is only given while the
cortisone is taken.
Therefore cortisone should not be given to
a fiv-positive cat in theory unless in
some exceptional circumstances. Indeed
steroids should be only used for
emergencies – short term and as low in
dosage as possible. Latter applies for
morbus addison. Not giving cortisone
would mean dead in such a case. Also
other diseases (naturally always in
relation to the severity and course of a
disease!) could make the abdication of
cortisone impossible e.G.: asthma,
inflammation of the pancreas and last but
not least autoimmune disease like
haemolytic anaemia, pemphigus, lupus or
eosinophilic granuloma. In such cases the
use of the drug has to be considered
against the risk of an additional
suppression of the immune system.
Attention:
unfortunately there are some vets, which
use cortisone anyway no matter if the
animal is fiv-positive or not. Uncritical
and without further diagnostic
prednisolon, dexamehason or something
similar is prescribed. The owner of the
cat who is often not informed about the
topic is happy about the quick result of
the treatment and thinks they have a very
good vet without knowing what that could
mean for their animal. Unfortunately it
is not easy to know for him what is
necessary and what isn’t necessary.
Therefore demand detailed information if
your vet prescribes cortisone for a
fiv-positive cat. The vet should explain
it until you fully understand the need for
it. If in doubt go to a second or even
third vet to hear another opinion.
On the other hand there are cat owners who
would not give cortisone to their cat in
any case which is just as bad as it could
lead to the death of their animal in the
worst scenario. It is important to stay
objective as there are cases where
cortisone cannot be avoided – see above.
Restriction of use alternatively
contraindication
this would be e.G. Diabetes mellitus,
affinity of thrombosis, high blood
pressure, cardiac insufficiency, strong
liver dysfunction, gastrointestinal
problems and virus infections of all
sorts.
Furthermore cortisone cannot be given
while taking immune stimulating drugs (for
example omega interferon, baypamun,
acemannan etc.). If these stimulating
drugs are taken together with cortisone it
will have a reverse effect!!!
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MPT
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Understand Posted: 05-06-04 04:25am
Do not let this person confuse you! It
would seem that he is a dc (chiroprator)
not an md although he has not made that
clear! He has also given unscientific and
misleading advice in other posts!
Surgery for low back and other orthopedic
problems should always be the last resort!
As with any surgery there are potential
side effects and risks including increased
pain, no relief of pain and other more
serious side effects. Surgery does work
for some people and should be a decision
that you and your dr make.
The information Dr. Scotti gave about
cortisone is very interesting and mostly
true. However, most people who get cort
injections for orthopedic problems get
local injections. These are not put in
the blood stream and do not have a
significant systemic effects. They really
only affect the local area and most people
do not get any side effects from them. If
you get too many injections in the same
location it can weaken the tendons and
ligaments in the area but that takes
several injections. Injection can be very
helpful and give lasting pain relief (yrs)
in some cases. Like anything, including
surgery, chiropractic care, medication,
physical therapy, ect.. Injection do not
help everyone!
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scotti2000
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Posted: 05-06-04 07:33am
You really need to go back and do some
research as I feel you are doing a great
diservice to this forum. I am a
chiropractor, have a doctorate, and if you
check you will find we take as many hours,
and many of the same courses. I choose
not to be a medical doctor as I feel your
scientific approach is very limited. You
rant about scientific research, I put the
research up for people to view, and you
say its ""mostly true". You come off
here like you are the know all authority
and have put nothing up to show your
claims. I will not continue to waste my
time going back and forth with you like
this. Infact, I read through your post
about the patient who had ringing in the
ear. You had suggested it was due to the
trigeminal nerve, guess what? You were
wrong its cranial nerve 8. Cortisone will
have systemic effects on your body.. It
weakens the immune system, and in longer
term use causes decreases in bone density.
You don't know what you are talking
about and should not be giving your
opinion as fact... Please anyone that is
reading this forum please do a google
search on steriod injections before taking
them, and see what the contraindications
are. She is not the authority and should
not be taken seriously...
""""you said""""
surgery for low back and other orthopedic
problems should always be the last resort!
As with any surgery there are potential
side effects and risks including increased
pain, no relief of pain and other more
serious side effects. Surgery does work
for some people and should be a decision
that you and your dr make. "
I said the same thing check my post
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MPT
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Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 43 Location: NY
Sorry For the Long Post Posted: 05-06-04 11:40am
First I am not here promoting myself as a
dr or even as a health care professional.
By calling yourself Dr. People are
going to assume that your opinion must be
based on evidence and science. However
from what I have read of your posts it
often is not! The format of this forum
is to assume that these people are not
medical professionals unless they claim
other wise (which I have not)
the evidence you gave about cortisone was
very interesting and I thank you for it!
However, from what you wrote (unless I
missed something which is possible) it
seems like these studies were mostly done
on ingested steroids. The affect on the
body of steroids taken as a pill is much
much different than when it is injected.
Yes, it is remotely possible a person may
get mild systemic effects from injected
cortisone but I have never herd of a case
of diabetes, gastrointestinal problems or
any other problem you talked about caused
by local injections! If you know of any
case studies describing this please give
me the reference. I agree 100 percent
with you if we are talking about pills.
But injections have primarily a local
effect and only minimal amounts of the
hormone are absorbed into the blood
stream. Even so, with the amount they
inject, 1,2,3 or even a few more
injections are not going to cause a big
problem for the majority of people. And
injections are not for everyone however
can be helpful. I am not pushing surgery
or injection, I just don't think they are
always bad!
I am not challenging the validity of the
chiropractic profession. I know that you
are educated at a doctoral level and I
know you feel your education is at par
with an md. However, when chiropractors
try to convince people that spinal
manipulation helps the body deal with
organ disorders it is very upsetting to
me. I do not feel that allopathic
medicine is perfect but it does, in
theory, strive to find truth and not
mislead pts.
I am not an all knowing authority and
never claimed to be an apologize if I came
across that way. I just don't like to
see people taken advantage of with what I
and the medical community feel are false
claims. I have not supplied any evidence
because my point is, there is no evidence
that supports what you are saying. You
are making the claims, you should provide
the evidence!
In regards to my other posts about the ear
ringing. You are right it could very
well be a problem with the signal
transmission from the ear structures to
the brain. It could also be a central
nervous system problem. If you review
your anatomy you will see that the chorda
tympani nerve (which is a branch of the
trigeminal n) innervates the muscles that
attach to the conduction bones of the
inner ear. It is by this mechanism that
trigeminal n disorders can cause ear
ringing!
"cortisone will have systemic effects on
your body.. It weakens the immune
system, and in longer term use causes
decreases in bone density"
yes it will do all these things when it is
long term use of ingested steroids. I do
not know any physician (md) who uses local
steroid injections long term (meaning
several injections week after week, month
after month) a trial of 2-3 injections is
not long term use and has min side
effects, if all contraindications are
ruled out.
When I said: "surgery for low back and
other orthopedic problems should always be
the last resort! As with any surgery
there are potential side effects and risks
including increased pain, no relief of
pain and other more serious side effects.
Surgery does work for some people and
should be a decision that you and your dr
make. "
i was aware that you also stated this.
My point was, it is risky, it should not
be taken lightly, there may not be
positive results and it is necessary and
the proper treatment in some cases.
Sometimes all else fails, including
adjustments, meds, physical therapy and
prayer. In these cases surgery can be a
saving grace
you have to type the above inks in by hand
or cut and paste them. For some reason
just cliking on them does not work!
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scotti2000
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Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 49
Posted: 05-06-04 22:24pm
Mpt, I appreciate your last post and
respect your opinion.
Below is joint injection research. I
have attached arrows to some points I
found interesting about the effects of
cortisone injections.
Please note table 2
caused by corticosteroid agent
acceleration of septic joint
subcutaneous fat atrophy (<1%),
particularly if injection is <5 mm
beneath skin surface
fistulous tract formation
steroid flare with pain 6 to 12 hr after
injection (2% to 5%)
exacerbation of diabetes (rare)
osteoporosis (high doses over long
period)
cartilage damage, particularly in
weight-bearing joints
tendon rupture (<1%)
facial flushing (<1%)
transient paresis of injected extremity
(rare)
asymptomatic pericapsular calcification
(43%)
adverse gastrointestinal effects
mood alterations
fluid retention
menstrual irregularities
allergic or hypersensitivity reactions
basics of joint injection
general techniques and tips for safe,
effective use
sami f. Rifat, md; james l. Moeller, md
vol 109 / no 1 / january 2001 /
postgraduate medicine
to understand the indications and
contraindications for basic joint and
soft-tissue aspiration and injection
to review the basic techniques for
performing these procedures
to learn what supplies, equipment, and
medications are required for these
techniques
the authors disclose no financial
interests in this article.
this page is best viewed with a browser
that supports tables.
A related article, on site-specific
techniques of joint injection, will appear
in an upcoming issue.
Tenth in a series of articles on office
procedures in primary care.
Preview: primary care physicians may use
joint and soft-tissue aspiration and
injection to diagnose and treat a variety
of painful musculoskeletal conditions
successfully in an office setting. The
procedure usually is well tolerated and
produces few adverse effects. In this
article, the first of two on aspiration
and injection techniques, drs rifat and
moeller discuss indications,
contraindications, and general guidelines
for use. The second article, which
focuses on specific techniques at 12
common sites, will appear in an upcoming
issue.
Rifat sf, moeller jl. Basics of joint
injection: general techniques and tips for
safe, effective use. Postgrad med
2001;109(1):157-166
safe, effective joint and soft-tissue
aspiration and injection techniques are
relatively easy to master. Primary care
physicians who know the techniques and
pertinent anatomy should be able to
perform many of these procedures. If a
physician is uncomfortable performing any
of them, referral is appropriate.
Potential complications
indications for and contraindications to
joint and soft-tissue aspiration and
injection in musculoskeletal conditions
are outlined in table 1. Generally, these
procedures are safe and produce few
adverse effects. complications can
be caused by the medication being injected
(table 2) and the injection itself. All
injectable medications have both local and
systemic effects; the larger the dose, the
greater the systemic effect.
Table 1. Indications for and
contraindications to joint and soft-tissue
aspiration and injection
indications
therapeutic
provide pain relief
deliver pharmacologic agents
diagnostic
obtain fluid for analysis
differentiate between local and referred
joint or soft-tissue pain
contraindications
broken skin over injection site
overlying skin showing signs of
cellulitis
patient known to have bacteremia
patient takes blood thinner or has major
clotting disorder
table 2. Major complications of joint and
soft-tissue aspiration and injection
caused by injection
bleeding (rare)
infection (1 in 10,000) (5)
joint injury (incidence unknown): avoid by
aspirating slowly and not moving needle
side to side in joint
caused by corticosteroid agent
acceleration of septic joint
subcutaneous fat atrophy (<1%),
particularly if injection is <5 mm
beneath skin surface
fistulous tract formation
steroid flare with pain 6 to 12 hr after
injection (2% to 5%)
exacerbation of diabetes (rare)
osteoporosis (high doses over long
period)
cartilage damage, particularly in
weight-bearing joints
tendon rupture (<1%)
facial flushing (<1%)
transient paresis of injected extremity
(rare)
asymptomatic pericapsular calcification
(43%)
adverse gastrointestinal effects
mood alterations
fluid retention
menstrual irregularities
allergic or hypersensitivity reactions
corticosteroids have their own risks,
including the much-discussed
corticosteroid-associated tendon rupture
(1). The risk of tendon rupture is quite
low, but the ramifications can be
significant (2). Therefore, direct tendon
injection should be avoided. In our
opinion, corticosteroid injections in and
around the achilles and patellar tendons
are not recommended. The potential for
cartilage injury with corticosteroid
injection also is cause for concern (1).
For this reason, we recommend no more than
three injections per location per year.
Practically speaking, if three injections
do not provide relief, it is unlikely that
more injections will.
Supplies
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scotti2000
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Chiropractic History Posted: 05-06-04 23:04pm
The understanding that the spine is
somehow involved in health and wellness as
well as the practice of using manual
manipulation as a source of healing dates
back to the time of the ancient greek
philosophers. In fact, hippocrates once
said, "get knowledge of the spine, for
this is the requisite for many diseases".
Modern chiropractic, however, marks its
beginnings in the late 1800s when daniel
david palmer, a self-educated teacher and
healer, performed the first spinal
manipulation on a patient. That patient
was harvey lillard, a janitor who worked
in palmer's building. Lillard was nearly
totally deaf, and mentioned to palmer that
he lost his hearing many years ago when he
was bending over and felt a "pop" in his
upper back. Palmer, who was a
practitioner of magnet therapy (a common
therapy of the time) was quite
knowledgeable in anatomy and very
interested in how the spine interacts with
the rest of the body's systems. He felt
strongly that the two events - the
"popping" in lillard's back and his
deafness - must somehow be related. He
examined lillard's spine and found that
one of his vertebra was misaligned. After
applying slight pressure, palmer returned
lillard's vertebra to the correct position
and an amazing event occurred - lillard's
hearing was restored! This procedure has
become known as a chiropractic adjustment.
Palmer soon discovered that spinal
adjustments could correct misaligned
vertebra, eliminate nerve interference and
relieve patients' pain. These misaligned
vertebrae have been classified as
chiropractic subluxations (versus
allopathic subluxations). He began to use
these "hand treatments" to treat a variety
of ailments including sciatica, migraine
headaches, stomach complaints, epilepsy
and heart trouble. In 1898, he opened the
palmer school & infirmary of
chiropractic and began teaching his
chiropractic techniques to others.
The medical community did not immediately
embrace palmer's chiropractic theories and
techniques. The called him a "quack" and
refused to acknowledge his
accomplishments. At one point, palmer was
even indicted for practicing medicine
without a license and spent time in jail
for his offense.
While d. D. Palmer did not live to see
his discoveries become accepted by the
medical community, his son b.J. Palmer
carried on his father's devotion and
advanced the practice of chiropractic by
getting it recognized as a licensed
profession and establishing the palmer
school of chiropractic in davenport, iowa,
one of the premier chiropractic college in
the united states.
Today, chiropractors are licensed in every
state with over 50,000 practicing
chiropractors in this country alone.
Chiropractic continues to gain wide
acceptance by the medical, legal, and
patient communities through is record of
beneficial results and ongoing research.
There is even an area of veterinary
medicine that utilizes chiropractic
techniques to treat animals.
While the practice of chiropractic has
come a long way since it's beginnings, its
basic philosophies remain the same: the
nervous system is involved in all bodily
functions and a healthy nervous system,
particularly a healthy spine, is one of
the major keys to wellness. Disorders of
the bones and muscles can cause
interference in this delicate
communications system and increases the
risk of disease and other health problems.
Only by diagnosing and eliminating this
interference, can health be restored.
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scotti2000
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What Medical Doctors Say About Chiropractic Posted: 05-06-04 23:07pm
Yes manipulation is a respected treatment
for some musculo-skeletal disorders! Many
practitioners use it and have done
research on it! But again it is not
considered an acceptable treatment for
visceral (organ) disorders by mainstream
medicine!
You talk about the side effects of
injections but have not mentioned any of
the potential side effects of
manipulation. Adjustments are not
completely safe and can lead to serious
injury and even death. Death is rare, but
no one really knows how many strokes are
caused each year by adjustments.
Do you let pts exercise their right to
informed consent? If so, every time you
adjust a person's neck you should inform
then that there is a small chance this
technique could cause a stroke and leave
then with permanent damage or worst case
result in death.
A stroke is a very real possibly and it
should be up to the pt to decide if they
want to take that risk. I can imagine
that people would think twice about
cervical manipulations, especially upper
cervical rotation adjustments, if you gave
them this information!
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scotti2000
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Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 49
Posted: 05-07-04 10:18am
Its starting to really annoy me that again
you are expressing your opinion, or what
you have heard, or believe. If I had not
taken the time to respond to your last
post, you would have mislead people to
believe that "chiropractic adjustments are
not safe". Infact, if you do read the
reseach below, you will find only 1 in
almost 4 million people are effected
adversely.... Again, I will provide the
information for people to make an educated
decision.. Here it is, more research, the
top where I have numbered are key points,
and below is the actual research. Please
note #5 on my list as it is important for
the person reading to believe that there
are other techniques available then the
"thrust" type
1)spinal manipulation has been reviewed in
meta-analysis published as early as 1991,
showing a clear benefit for low back
pain.
2)manipulation relieves cervicogenic
headache and is comparable to commonly
used first-line prophylactic prescription
medications for tension-type headache and
migraine.8 meta-analysis of five
randomized controlled trials showed that
there was a statistically significant
reduction in neck pain using a visual
analogue scale.9
3)risks
since 1925, there have been approximately
275 cases of adverse events reported with
cervical spine manipulation.10,11,12,13 it
has been suggested by some that there is
an under-reporting of adverse events.
4)the estimated risk of adverse outcome
following cervical spine manipulation
ranges from one in 400,000 to one in 3.85
million manipulations.16, 17, 18, 19
5)the estimated risk of major impairment
following cervical spine manipulation is
6.39 per 10 million manipulations.20 most
of the reported cases of adverse outcome
have involved “thrust” or “high velocity/
low amplitude” types of manipulation.
evidence behind the safety and benefit of
cervical spine manipulation is explored.
By ken johnson, do and george pasquarello,
do, faao
recently there has been an increasing
concern about the safety of cervical spine
manipulation specifically, this concern
has centered on devastating negative
outcomes such as stroke.
Benefits
spinal manipulation has been reviewed in
meta-analysis published as early as 1991,
showing a clear benefit for low back
pain.1 there is less available information
in the literature about manipulation in
regards to neck pain and headache, but the
evidence does show benefit.2, 3, 4, 5, 6
there have been at least 12 randomized
controlled trials of manipulative
treatment of neck pain.
Some of the benefits shown include relief
of acute neck pain, improvement in pain as
measured by validated instruments in
sub-acute and chronic pain compared with
muscle relaxants or usual medical care.
There is also short-term relief from
tension type headaches.7 manipulation
relieves cervicogenic headache and is
comparable to commonly used first-line
prophylactic prescription medications for
tension-type headache and migraine.8
meta-analysis of five randomized
controlled trials showed that there was a
statistically significant reduction in
neck pain using a visual analogue scale.9
risks
since 1925, there have been approximately
275 cases of adverse events reported with
cervical spine manipulation.10,11,12,13 it
has been suggested by some that there is
an under-reporting of adverse events.10 a
conservative estimate of the number of
cervical manipulations per year is
approximately 33 million and may be as
high as 193 million in the us and canada.
14, 15 the estimated risk of adverse
outcome following cervical spine
manipulation ranges from one in 400,000 to
one in 3.85 million manipulations.16, 17,
18, 19
the estimated risk of major impairment
following cervical spine manipulation is
6.39 per 10 million manipulations.20 most
of the reported cases of adverse outcome
have involved “thrust” or “high velocity/
low amplitude” types of manipulation.11
however, the risk of vertebrobasilar
artery stroke from manipulation is less
than the risk of a spontaneous
vertebrobasilar artery stroke.7
a concern has been raised by a recent
report that vertebrobasilar artery stroke
following cervical spine manipulation is
unpredictable.10 this report is biased
because all of the cases were involved in
litigation. The nature of litigation can
lead to inaccurate reporting by patient or
provider.
However, it did conclude that
vertebrobasilar artery stroke following
cervical spine manipulation is
“idiosyncratic and rare.” further review
of this data showed that 25 percent of the
cases presented with sudden onset of new
and unusual headache and neck pain often
associated with other neurologic symptoms
that may have represented a dissection in
progress.21
in direct contrast to this concern of
unpredictability, another recent report
states that cervical spine manipulation
may worsen preexisting cervical disc
herniation or even cause cervical disc
herniation. This report describes
complications such as radiculopathy,
myelopathy, and vertebral artery
compression by a lateral cervical disc
herniation.12 the authors concluded that
the incidence of these types of
complications could be lessened by
rigorous adherence to published exclusion
criteria for cervical spine
manipulation.12
manipulative treatment for neck pain is
much safer than the use of nsaids, which
are the most commonly prescribed
medications for neck pain. Research in
the united kingdom has shown nsaids will
cause 12,000 emergency admissions and
2,500 deaths per year.22 the annual cost
of gi tract complications in the us is
estimated at $3.9 billion, with at least
2,600 deaths and up to 20,000
hospitalizations per year.23, 24
provocative tests
provocative tests such as the dekline test
have been studied in animals and humans.
This test and others like it were found to
be unreliable for demonstrating
reproducibility of ischemia or risk of
injuring the vertebral artery.25, 26, 27,
28, 29, 30
risk factors
vertebrobasilar artery stroke accounts for
1.3 in 1000 cases of stroke, making this a
rare event. The most common risk factors
for vertebrobasilar artery stroke are
migraine, hypertension, oral contraceptive
use and smoking.31
a study done in 1999 reviewing 367 cases
of vertebrobasilar artery stroke reported
from 1966-1993 showed 115 cases related to
cervical spine manipulation; 167 were
spontaneous, 58 from trivial trauma and 37
from major trauma.31
complications from cervical spine
manipulation most often occur in patients
who have had prior manipulation
uneventfully and without obvious risk
factors for vertebrobasilar artery
stroke.7 “most vertebrobasilar artery
dissections occur in the absence of
cervical manipulation, either
spontaneously or after trivial trauma or
common daily movements of the neck, such
as backing out of the driveway, painting
the ceiling, playing tennis, sneezing, or
engaging in yoga exercises.”10 in some
cases manipulation may not be the primary
insult causing the dissection, but an
aggravating factor or coincidental
event.21
it has been proposed that thrust
techniques using a combination of
hyperextension, rotation and traction of
the upper cervical spine will place the
patient at greatest risk of injuring the
vertebral artery. In a retrospective
review of 64 medical legal cases,
information on the type of manipulation
was available in 39 (61 percent) of the
cases. 51 percent involved rotation, with
the remaining 49 percent representing a
variety of positions including lateral
flexion, traction and isolated cases of
non-force or neutral position thrusts.
Only 15 percent had any form of
extension.21
conclusion
manipulation of the cervical spine is a
safe and effective treatment. As with all
medical procedures, practitioners should
be provided with sufficient information so
they are advised of the potential risks
and benefits.
ken johnson, do is the osteopathic dme,
aoa fp residency director for the emmc in
bangor, maine. He is certified in special
proficiency in osteopathic manipulative
medicine (cspomm) family practice and
omt.
George pasquarello, do, faao is an
associate professor of osteopathic
manipulative medicine at the unecom. He
is certified by the aobspomm and practices
in maine and rhode island.
This paper has been adopted by the aao
board of governors as an official position
paper.
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scotti2000
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 49
Posted: 05-07-04 10:46am
Mpt, you will find this very
interesting... Notice the section where
it talks about cortisone injections and
states "it is not intended for repeated
use, however, due to its ability to cause
degeneration of tissue over time."
i would agree that it is effective in pain
relief but has more serious side effects
then spinal adjustments. Also notice
that there is a choice called glucosimine
sulfate and chondroitin sulfate which are
not prescribed drugs, so unlikely many
md's would recommend them. They work to
rebuild the cartilage, have
antiimmflamatory properties, and safer for
long term use. Thats why a chiropractor
would suggets that... Oh, by the way,
why don't you look up nasids and see what
the long term effects are of those...
Liver damage, kidney damage, ulcers, etc.
the injury: as the joint starts to wear
out, the surface of the joint becomes
irregular, and the muscle wastes away due
to pain and disuse. Stiffness occurs due
to inflammation and pain associated with
movement.
Treatment options: in the earlier stages
of osteoarthritis, rehabilitation may
provide significant benefit.
Rehabilitation for arthritis focuses on
range of motion to the joint and
strengthening the muscles around the
joint. Exercises that are particularly
beneficial are bicycling and swimming.
Bicycling at high revolution and low
resistance acts to lubricate the joint and
smooth the joint surfaces as they rub
together. At least 20 minutes a day on a
stationary bicycle is recommended.
Swimming allows exercise without bearing
weight on the involved joint and is an
excellent way to maintain muscle strength
around the joint without causing
irritation. Daily stretching is useful to
maintain range of motion.
Modalities: use of ice is often helpful
when the joint is particularly swollen or
painful. Ice acts to decrease
inflammation and swelling in the joint and
acts as an analgesic by slowing nerve
conduction in the pain fibers around the
joint. Topical treatments may provide
temporary relief as well. These are
typically one of a variety of skin
irritants such as menthol or caspacin
(pepper!). These agents act to irritate
and thus warm the skin around the painful
joint. Relief occurs due to the warmth as
well as the over stimulation of the local
sensory nerves which temporarily distracts
and overrides the pain fibers. Elastic
braces or ace bandages provide some relief
due to the added sense of stability and
warmth. The pressure from the brace may
also help to limit swelling.
Medication: the mainstay of medication
treatment for degenerative arthritis is
antiinflammatory medicine. The most
commonly used category of these are called
non steroidal antiinflammatory drugs
(nsaid). This is to differentiate them
from steroid antiinflammatory drugs which
are very powerful, but have more side
effects. The antiinflammatory drugs work
to stop the natural chemical mediators of
inflammation in the body. The uneven
surfaces caused by degeneration of the
joint cause an inflammatory reaction in
the joint. Nsaid limit this secondary
inflammation but do not affect the
degeneration of the joint. They also act
to relieve pain. The most common side
effect is gastrointestinal upset.
Chondroprotective agents: there are
currently several new methods for trying
to protect and enhance cartilage function,
either through injection or orally. The
exact efficacy of these treatments is
still being debated in the scientific
community, but they are still being used
extensively.
Injectable agents: hyaluronic acid:
hyaluronic acid is a type of molecule that
occurs naturally in the joint and is
important in the structure and function of
cartilage. It is a type of sugar
(glycosaminoglycan) that acts as the
backbone on which other important
cartilage molecules (proteoglycans)
aggregate. These aggregates combine with
proteins (collagen) to make up the spongy
resilient cartilage surface. Hyaluronic
acid has recently been approved by the fda
for injection into the joint. It is
thought to act by providing additional
lubrication, controlling permeability of
the lining of the joint (synovium) and
possibly by promoting further cartilage
proteoglycan synthesis and function.
Between 3 and 5 injections are given into
the knee over a 1-2 week period. The
majority of patients experience some
relief of pain that can last between 6-12
months. The relief is temporary, however,
and repeat injections or other treatments
are often necessary.
Oral agents: glucosamine: glucosamine is
one of the building blocks
(aminomonosacharide) of the large sugar
molecules that make up cartilage tissue.
The body normally produces glucosamine
from glucose, a basic nutritional sugar.
Taking supplemental glucosamine provides
the body with a 'prefab' ready source of
this important cartilage building block,
enhancing the joints ability to produce
new cartilage tissue. Glucosamine may
also have a mild antiinflammatory effect.
The recommended dose is at least 1 gram
daily, and there are no known side
effects. The medication is obtainable
without a prescription. It may take 2-3
months before the effects are detectable,
so be patient!
Chondroitin sulfate: chondroitin sulfate
is another type of molecule that
contributes to the structure of cartilage.
It is important in the binding of the
spongy sugar aggregates to the structural
protein framework which comprises
cartilage. It is also thought to help
inhibit some of the harmful enzymes that
break down cartilage. A typical dose of
chondroitin sulfate is 1000 mg/day. There
are no known side effects.
Cortisone injections: cortisone is a type
of steroid that is used for its powerful
antiinflammatory properties. Cortisone is
extremely effective and safe when used
properly and in moderation. It is not
intended for repeated use, however, due to
its ability to cause degeneration of
tissue over time. A single cortisone
injection will often give relief of pain
and swelling for 6 months to a year.
Cortisone is often used for end stage
arthritis in order to buy time until a
joint replacement surgery becomes
necessary.
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algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Chiropractic Vs Md Posted: 05-26-04 13:30pm
The argument that chiropractors spend more
time studying the spine and have just as
many hours of study as an md is ludicrous.
Mds participate in medical school = 4
years at 25-35 equiv. Class hours per
week then engage in intensive study for
typically 4-6 years in a residency program
which entails 70-90 hours per week. To
compare the education obtained via
chiropractic vs. Allopathic medicine is
absurd and demonstrates an intentional
elevation of chiropractic to an
educational status which is not justified
based on hours of study. There is simply
no possible comparison. However,
chiropractic for musculoskeletal
conditions is indeed becoming well
accepted despite the gross underreporting
of chiropractic injuries in the
literature. In my area alone, I am
treating one patient with a vertebral
artery transsection which occurred during
forceful chiropractic manipulation 18
months ago leaving him paralyzed and
unconscious in the parking lot of the
chiropractor and am treating approximately
10 more which have developed permanent
deficits due to chiropractic manipulation,
astonishly some of which were due to
cervical manipulations performed by the
chiropractor in the absence of previous
symptoms. This type of sloppy shoddy
work is what continues to fuel the
firestorm about chiropractic. The other
area in which chiropractic continues to
defy logic and science is in the voodoo of
treating multiple maladies such as asthma
or bowel disorders through continuing
adjustments.
That being said, I am a firm believer in
chiropractic and have administered
anesthesia for muga performed by
chiropractors who are certified in the
technique.
I think chiropractic and allopathic
medicine can coexist quite nicely as long
as both stick to science, not rely on
reported statistics on injuries as being
complete and avoiding extrapolating bad
data to ridiculous degrees, and respecting
what is proven.
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lexus
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Oct 2006 Posts: 18 Location: usa
Reply Concerning Steriod Injections In the Lower Back Posted: 11-25-06 00:43am
I have ra and I have degenerative disc
disease and for the past 18 months I have
been having epidural injections in my
lower back area. I have had a total of
26 injections over a period of 18 months,
and I have been reading all these post dr
scotti and ect... My personal advice to
anyone out there do not ever and I repeat
ever get ant injections in your back. I
am in a painful situation now and my back
is screwed up major from all those
injections. My rhumy told me that it
excelerated my arthritis. So take it
from someone who knows, they are no
good!!!!
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rank1_airwave
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 16 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 02-08-07 11:54am
I had a steroid injection in my back,
lower facet joints as a diagnostic tool as
nothing showed on mri scan. Ever since
ive had pain down my left side. Since
then my right side has been injected and
ive got pain down my right side also.
Caused by the injections.
Injections were done in my lower facet
joints, have bad pain at injection sites
and pain under my ribs.
Im only 24 and was fine before I had them
done, albeit apart from the original pain
I went in for that has now gone, im left
with the after affects of these
injections.
Any advise to steer people away form these
the better
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expatient
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 128 Location: Finland
Posted: 02-09-07 07:49am
Sad stories here. I agree these pain
shots and surgery are the last thing to
do...
Before those you must check pelvis and
sacroiliac joints. Sij blocks are very
common problems. And if pelvis is not
working correctly you will get problems to
your spine. And if you operate on spine
often the problems just get worse.
You should correct pelvis first! 80% of
all people and almost all back pain
patients have problems in pelvis causing
the troubles to their spine: lordosis,
spondylisthesis, scoliosis, degeneration,
disc problems and many others... And
that asymmetrical biomechanics is the
cause of muscle spasms, weak deep muscles,
etc.
I had subluxated sij since I was a child
but no doctors understood to check it.
Why? They just don't know it is
possible to subluxate. Now I am fine,
after 20 years of pains, because I finally
found one who knew what was wrong with me
and corrected it: sij subluxation. Very
common disorder... And all the doctors
said my pains are because of multiple disc
herniations and degenerations.