As Hillary Clinton battles for the top
spot for the Democrats, I have noticed
many gender oriented
comments/reports/slants/etc.
I am no fan of Hillary, but I am irritated
at these misogynistic concepts even in
this 21st century.
Here is an article I was sent that one may
be interested in:
Robin Morgan
wrote:
Goodbye To All That (#2)
by Robin Morgan
February 2, 2008“
Goodbye To All That” was my (in)famous
1970 essay breaking free from a politics
of accommodation especially affecting
women (for an online version, see http://blog.fair-us
e.org/category/chicago/).
During my decades in civil-rights,
anti-war, and contemporary women’s
movements, I’ve avoided writing another
specific “Goodbye . . .” But not since
the suffrage struggle have two
communities—joint conscience-keepers of
this country—been so set in competition,
as the contest between Hillary Rodham
Clinton (HRC) and Barack Obama (BO)
unfurls. So.
Goodbye to the double standard . . .
—Hillary is too ballsy but too womanly,
a Snow Maiden who’s emotional, and so
much a politician as to be unfit for
politics.
—She’s “ambitious” but he shows
“fire in the belly.” (Ever had labor
pains?)—When a sexist fool screamed
“Iron my shirt!” at HRC, it was
considered amusing; if a racist fool
shouted “Shine my shoes!” at BO, it
would’ve inspired hours of airtime and
pages of newsprint analyzing our national
dishonor.
—Young political Kennedys—Kathleen,
Kerry, and Bobby Jr.—all endorsed
Hillary. Senator Ted, age 76, endorsed
Obama. If the situation were reversed,
pundits would snort “See? Ted and
establishment types back her, but the
forward-looking generation backs him.”
(Personally, I’m unimpressed with
Caroline’s longing for the Return of the
Fathers. Unlike the rest of the world,
Americans have short memories. Me, I still
recall Marilyn Monroe’s suicide, and a
dead girl named Mary Jo Kopechne in
Chappaquiddick.)
Goodbye to the toxic viciousness . . .
Carl Bernstein's disgust at Hillary’s
“thick ankles.” Nixon-trickster Roger
Stone’s new Hillary-hating 527 group,
“Citizens United Not Timid” (check the
capital letters). John McCain answering
“How do we beat the health forum?" with
“Excellent question!” Would he have
dared reply similarly to “How do we beat
the black health questions?” For shame.
Goodbye to the HRC nutcracker with metal
spikes between splayed thighs. If it was a
tap-dancing blackface doll, we would be
righteously outraged—and they would not
be selling it in airports. Shame.
Goodbye to the most intimately violent
T-shirts in election history, including
one with the murderous slogan “If Only
Hillary had married O.J. Instead!”
Shame.
Goodbye to Comedy Central’s
“Southpark” featuring a storyline in
which terrorists secrete a bomb in HRC’s
vagina. I refuse to wrench my brain down
into the gutter far enough to find a
race-based comparison. For shame.
Goodbye to the sick, malicious idea that
this is funny. This is not “Clinton
hating,” not “Hillary hating.” This
is sociopathic woman-hating. If it were
about Jews, we would recognize it
instantly as anti-Semitic propaganda; if
about race, as KKK poison. Hell, PETA
would go ballistic if such vomitous spew
were directed at animals. Where is our
sense of outrage—as citizens, voters,
Americans?
Goodbye to the news-coverage
target-practice . . .
The women’s movement and Media Matters
wrung an apology from MSNBC’s Chris
Matthews for relentless misogynistic
comments (www.womensmediacenter.com). But
what about NBC’s Tim Russert’s
continual sexist asides and his
all-white-male panels pontificating on
race and gender? Or CNN’s Tony Harris
chuckling at “the chromosome thing”
while interviewing a woman from The White
House Project? And that’s not even
mentioning Fox News.
Goodbye to pretending the black community
is entirely male and all women are white .
. .
Surprise! Women exist in all opinions,
pigmentations, ethnicities, abilities,
sexual preferences, and ages—not only
African American and European American but
Latina and Native American, Asian American
and Pacific Islanders, Arab American
and—hey, every group, because a group
wouldn’t exist if we hadn’t given
birth to it. A few non-racist countries
may exist—but sexism is everywhere. No
matter how many ways a woman breaks free
from other discriminations, she remains a
female human being in a world still so
patriarchal that it’s the “norm.”
So why should all women not be as justly
proud of our womanhood and the centuries,
even millennia, of struggle that got us
this far, as black Americans, women and
men, are justly proud of their struggles?
Goodbye to a campaign where he has to pass
as white (which whites—especially
wealthy ones—adore), while she has to
pass as male (which both men and women
demanded of her, and then found
unforgivable). If she were blackor he were
female we wouldn’t be having such
problems, and I for one would be in
heaven. But at present such a candidate
wouldn’t stand a chance—even if she
shared Condi Rice’s Bush-defending
politics.
I was celebrating the pivotal power at
last focused on African American women
deciding on which of two candidates to
bestow their vote—until a number of
Hillary-supporting black feminists told me
they’re being called “race
traitors.”
So goodbye to conversations about this
nation’s deepest scar—slavery—which
fail to acknowledge that labor- and
sexual-slavery exist today in the U.S. and
elsewhere on this planet, and the majority
of those enslaved are women.
Women have endured
sex/race/ethnic/religious hatred, rape and
battery, invasion of spirit and flesh,
forced pregnancy; being the majority of
the poor, the illiterate, the disabled, of
refugees, caregivers, the HIV/AIDS
afflicted, the powerless. We have survived
invisibility, ridicule, religious
fundamentalisms, polygamy, teargas, forced
feedings, jails, asylums, sati, purdah,
female genital mutilation, witch burnings,
stonings, and attempted gynocides. We have
tried reason, persuasion, reassurances,
and being extra-qualified, only to learn
it never was about qualifications after
all. We know that at this historical
moment women experience the world
differently from men—though not all the
same as one another—and can govern
differently, from Elizabeth Tudor to
Michele Bachelet and Ellen Johnson
Sirleaf.
We remember when Shirley Chisholm and
Patricia Schroeder ran for this high
office and barely got past the gate—they
showed too much passion, raised too little
cash, were joke fodder. Goodbye to all
that. (And goodbye to some feminists so
famished for a female president they were
even willing to abandon women’s rights
in backing Elizabeth Dole.)
Goodbye, goodbye to . . .
—blaming anything Bill Clinton does on
Hillary (even including his womanizing
like the Kennedy guys—though unlike
them, he got reported on). Let’s get
real. If he hadn’t campaigned strongly
for her everyone would cluck over what
that meant. Enough of Bill and Teddy
Kennedy locking their alpha male horns
while Hillary pays for it.
—an era when parts of the populace feel
so disaffected by politics that a
comparative lack of knowledge, experience,
and skill is actually seen as attractive,
when celebrity-culture mania now infects
our elections so that it’s “cooler”
to glow with marquee charisma than to
understand the vast global complexities of
power on a nuclear, wounded planet.
—the notion that it’s fun to elect a
handsome, cocky president who feels he can
learn on the job, goodbye to George W.
Bush and the destruction brought by his
inexperience, ignorance, and arrogance.
Goodbye to the accusation that HRC acts
“entitled” when she’s worked
intensely at everything she’s
done—including being a
nose-to-the-grindstone, first-rate senator
from my state.
Goodbye to her being exploited as a
Rorschach test by women who reduce her to
a blank screen on which they project their
own fears, failures, fantasies.
Goodbye to the phrase “polarizing
figure” to describe someone who embodies
the transitions women have made in the
last century and are poised to make in
this one. It was the women’s movement
that quipped, “We are becoming the men
we wanted to marry.” She heard us, and
she has.
Goodbye to some women letting history pass
by while wringing their hands, because
Hillary isn’t as “likeable” as
they’ve been warned they must be, or
because she didn’t leave him, couldn’t
“control” him, kept her family
together and raised a smart, sane
daughter. (Think of the blame if Chelsea
had ever acted in the alcoholic, neurotic
manner of the Bush twins!) Goodbye to some
women pouting because she didn’t bake
cookies or she did, sniping because she
learned the rules and then bent or broke
them. Grow the hell up. She is not running
for Ms.-perfect-pure-queen-icon of the
feminist movement. She’s running to be
president of the United States.
Goodbye to the shocking American ignorance
of our own and other countries’ history.
Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir rose
through party ranks and war, positioning
themselves as proto-male leaders. Almost
all other female heads of government so
far have been related to men of
power—granddaughters, daughters,
sisters, wives, widows: Gandhi,
Bandaranike, Bhutto, Aquino, Chamorro,
Wazed, Macapagal-Arroyo, Johnson Sirleaf,
Bachelet, Kirchner, and more. Even in our
“land of opportunity,” it’s mostly
the first pathway “in” permitted to
women: Representatives Doris Matsui and
Mary Bono and Sala Burton; Senator Jean
Carnahan . . . far too many to list here.
Goodbye to a misrepresented generational
divide . . .
Goodbye to the so-called spontaneous
“Obama Girl” flaunting her bikini-clad
ass online—then confessing Oh yeah it
wasn’t her idea after all, some guys got
her to do it and dictated the clothes,
which she said “made me feel like a
dork.”
Goodbye to some young women eager to win
male approval by showing they’re not
feminists (at least not the kind who
actually threaten thestatus quo), who
can’t identify with a woman candidate
because she is unafraid of eeueweeeu yucky
power, who fear their boyfriends might
look at them funny if they say something
good about her. Goodbye to women of any
age again feeling unworthy, sulking
“what if she’s not electable?” or
“maybe it’s post-feminism and whoooosh
we’re already free.” Let a statement
by the magnificent Harriet Tubman stand as
reply. When asked how she managed to save
hundreds of enslaved African Americans via
the Underground Railroad during the Civil
War, she replied bitterly, “I could have
saved thousands—if only I’d been able
to convince them they were slaves.”
I’d rather say a joyful Hello to all the
glorious young women who do identifywith
Hillary, and all the brave, smart men—of
all ethnicities and any age—who get that
it’s in their self-interest, too.
She’s better qualified. (D’uh.)
She’s a high-profile candidate with an
enormous grasp of foreign- and
domestic-policy nuance, dedication to
detail, ability to absorb staggering
insult and personal pain while retaining
dignity, resolve, even humor, and keep on
keeping on. (Also, yes, dammit, let’s
hear it for her connections and funding
and party-building background, too. Obama
was awfully glad about those when she
raised dough and campaigned for him to get
to the Senate in the first place.)
I’d rather look forward to what a good
president he might make in eight years,
when his vision and spirit are seasoned by
practical know-how—and he’ll be all of
54. Meanwhile, goodbye to turning him into
a shining knight when actually he’s an
astute, smooth pol with speechwriters
who’ve worked with the Kennedys’ own
speechwriter-courtier Ted Sorenson. If
it’s only about ringing rhetoric, let
speechwriters run. But isn’t it about
getting the policies we want enacted?
And goodbye to the ageism . . .
How dare anyone unilaterally decide when
to turn the page on history, papering over
real inequities and suffering
constituencies in the promise of a
feel-good campaign? How dare anyone claim
to unify while dividing, or think that to
rouse U.S. youth from torpor it’s useful
to triage the single largest demographic
in this country’s history: the boomer
generation—the majority of which is
female?
Old woman are the one group that doesn’t
grow more conservative with age—and we
are the generation of radicals who said
“Well-behaved women seldom make
history.” Goodbye to going gently into
any goodnight any man prescribes for us.
We are the women who changed the reality
of the United States. And though we never
went away, brace yourselves: we’re back!
We are the women who brought this country
equal credit, better pay, affirmative
action, the concept of a family-focused
workplace; the women who established
rape-crisis centers and battery shelters,
marital-rape and date-rape laws; the women
who defended lesbian custody rights, who
fought for prison reform, founded the
peace and environmental movements; who
insisted that medical research include
female anatomy; who inspired men to become
more nurturing parents; who created
women’s studies and Title IX so we all
could cheer the WNBA stars and Mia Hamm.
We are the women who reclaimed sexuality
from violent pornography, who put
childcare on the national agenda, who
transformed demographics, artistic
expression, language itself. We are the
women who forged a worldwide movement. We
are the proud successors of women who,
though it took more than 50 years, won us
the vote.
We are the women who now comprise the
majority of U.S. voters.
Hillary said she found her own voice in
New Hampshire. There’s not a woman alive
who, if she’s honest, doesn’t
recognize what she means. Then HRC got
drowned out by campaign experts, Bill, and
media’s obsession with everything Bill.
So listen to her voice:
“For too long, the history of women has
been a history of silence. Even today,
there are those who are trying to silence
our words.
“It is a violation of human rights when
babies are denied food, or drowned, or
suffocated, or their spines broken, simply
because they are born girls. It is a
violation of human rights when woman and
girls are sold into the slavery of
prostitution. It is a violation of human
rights when women are doused with
gasoline, set on fire and burned to death
because their marriage dowries are deemed
too small. It is a violation of human
rights when individual women are raped in
their own communities and when thousands
of women are subjected to rape as a tactic
or prize of war. It is a violation of
human rights when a leading cause of death
worldwide along women ages 14 to 44 is the
violence they are subjected to in their
own homes. It is a violation of human
rights when women are denied the right to
plan their own families, and that includes
being forced to have abortions or being
sterilized against their will.
“Women’s rights are human rights.
Among those rights are the right to speak
freely—and the right to be heard.”
That was Hillary Rodham Clinton defying
the U.S. State Department and the Chinese
Government at the 1995 UN World Conference
on Women in Beijing (look here for the
full, stunning speech).
And this voice, age 21, in “Commencement
Remarks of Hillary D. Rodham, President of
Wellesley College Government Association,
Class of 1969.”
“We are, all of us, exploring a world
none of us understands. . . . searching
for a more immediate, ecstatic, and
penetrating mode of living. . . . [for
the] integrity, the courage to be whole,
living in relation to one another in the
full poetry of existence. The struggle for
an integrated life existing in an
atmosphere of communal trust and respect
is one with desperately important
political and social consequences. . . .
Fear is always with us, but we just don't
have time for it.”
She ended with the commitment “to
practice, with all the skill of our being:
the art of making possible.”
And for decades, she’s been learning
how.
So goodbye to Hillary’s second-guessing
herself. The real question is deeper than
her re-finding her voice. Can we women
find ours? Can we do this for ourselves?
“Our President, Ourselves!”
Time is short and the contest tightening.
We need to rise in furious energy—as we
did when Anita Hill was so vilely treated
in the U.S. Senate, as we did when Rosie
Jiminez was butchered by an illegal
abortion, as we did and do for women
globally who are condemned for trying to
break through. We need to win, this time.
Goodbye to supporting HRC tepidly, with
ambivalent caveats and apologetic smiles.
Time to volunteer, make phone calls, send
emails, donate money, argue, rally, march,
shout, vote.
Me? I support Hillary Rodham because
she’s the best qualified of all
candidates running in both parties. I
support her because her progressive
politics are as strong as her proven
ability to withstand what will be a
massive right-wing assault in the general
election. I support her because she knows
how to get us out of Iraq. I support her
because she’s refreshingly thoughtful,
and I’m bloodied from eight years of a
jolly “uniter” with ejaculatory
politics. I needn’t agree with her on
every point. I agree with the 97 percent
of her positions that are identical with
Obama’s—and the few where hers are
both more practical and to the left of his
(like health care). I support her because
she’s already smashed the first-lady
stereotype and made history as a fine
senator, because I believe she will
continue to make history not only as the
first US woman president, but as a great
US president.
As for the “woman thing”?
Me, I’m voting for Hillary not because
she’s a woman—but because I
am.
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Sandbox Party
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Posted: 02-09-08 16:26pm
I personally think its sad.
In this day and age everyone is screaming,
"EQUALITY! EQUALITY!!" but those people
are the first ones to scream how a woman
should be barefoot and pregnant in the
kitchen and don't belong in the NBA.
Its hypocritical if you ask me. And until
people get their heads outta their butt
and actually start WORKING towards the
equal rights movement instead of sitting
on their asses watching Peoples Court and
eating Doritos this country will forever
be sexually segregated and it will be an
endless circle of Misogyny.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-15-08 11:20am
I LOVE HILLARY! She has my vote! A lot of men have a
superiority complex and I think that
comes from having a tiny penis!
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killbill
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Posted: 02-15-08 15:08pm
OH boy. I didn't get through all of that
but read enough to get the gist of it and
it makes me sick. I have tried to follow
the campaigns even though I can't vote. I
personally like Clinton's plan for
healthcare better than Obama's. She seems
to me to be more down to earth and to
speak more about issues than Obama. Obama
seems too preachy to me. I wish it would
just be about issues. Maybe then the US
wouldn't be in such a mess right now. The
whole world would be a much better place
if being a woman didn't trump all other
considerations. I wonder if this world
will ever get sane.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-15-08 15:20pm
It seems the world is getting crazier..
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killbill
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Posted: 02-16-08 12:07pm
C'mon people. Why isn't anyone replying
to this. Please tell me someone is
following the campaign.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-16-08 12:23pm
killbill
wrote:
C'mon people. Why isn't
anyone replying to this. Please tell me
someone is following the
campaign.
I am but what is there to say? You give us
some feed back...I am at a lose at this
point...
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Posted: 02-16-08 12:30pm
killbill
wrote:
C'mon people. Why isn't
anyone replying to this. Please tell me
someone is following the
campaign.
I can barely stand it, but I am following.
Waiting for the Greens to announce their
candidate.
The Ten Key Values of the Greens:
1. GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
Every human being deserves a say in the
decisions that affect their lives and not
be subject to the will of another.
Therefore, we will work to increase public
participation at every level of government
and to ensure that our public
representatives are fully accountable to
the people who elect them. We will also
work to create new types of political
organizations which expand the process of
participatory democracy by directly
including citizens in the decision-making
process.
2. SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
All persons should have the rights and
opportunity to benefit equally from the
resources afforded us by society and the
environment. We must consciously confront
in ourselves, our organizations, and
society at large, barriers such as racism
and class oppression, sexism and
homophobia, ageism and disability, which
act to deny fair treatment and equal
justice under the law.
3. ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
Human societies must operate with the
understanding that we are part of nature,
not separate from nature. We must
maintain an ecological balance and live
within the ecological and resource limits
of our communities and our planet. We
support a sustainable society which
utilizes resources in such a way that
future generations will benefit and not
suffer from the practices of our
generation. To this end we must practice
agriculture which replenishes the soil;
move to an energy efficient economy; and
live in ways that respect the integrity of
natural systems.
4. NON-VIOLENCE
It is essential that we develop effective
alternatives to society’s current
patterns of violence. We will work to
demilitarize, and eliminate weapons of
mass destruction, without being naive
about the intentions of other governments.
We recognize the need for self-defense
and the defense of others who are in
helpless situations. We promote
non-violent methods to oppose practices
and policies with which we disagree, and
will guide our actions toward lasting
personal, community and global peace.
5. DECENTRALIZATION
Centralization of wealth and power
contributes to social and economic
injustice, environmental destruction, and
militarization. Therefore, we support a
restructuring of social, political and
economic institutions away from a system
which is controlled by and mostly benefits
the powerful few, to a democratic, less
bureaucratic system. Decision-making
should, as much as possible, remain at the
individual and local level, while assuring
that civil rights are protected for all
citizens.
6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC
JUSTICE
We recognize it is essential to create a
vibrant and sustainable economic system,
one that can create jobs and provide a
decent standard of living for all people
while maintaining a healthy ecological
balance. A successful economic system will
offer meaningful work with dignity, while
paying a “living wage” which reflects
the real value of a person’s work.
Local communities must look to economic
development that assures protection of the
environment and workers’ rights; broad
citizen participation in planning; and
enhancement of our “quality of life.”
We support independently owned and
operated companies which are socially
responsible, as well as co-operatives and
public enterprises that distribute
resources and control to more people
through democratic participation.
7. FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
We have inherited a social system based on
male domination of politics and economics.
We call for the replacement of the
cultural ethics of domination and control
with more cooperative ways of interacting
that respect differences of opinion and
gender. Human values such as equity
between the sexes, interpersonal
responsibility, and honesty must be
developed with moral conscience. We should
remember that the process that determines
our decisions and actions is just as
important as achieving the outcome we
want.
8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
We believe it is important to value
cultural, ethnic, racial, sexual,
religious and spiritual diversity, and to
promote the development of respectful
relationships across these lines.
We believe that the many diverse elements
of society should be reflected in our
organizations and decision-making bodies,
and we support the leadership of people
who have been traditionally closed out of
leadership roles. We acknowledge and
encourage respect for other life forms
than our own and the preservation of
biodiversity.
9. PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
We encourage individuals to act to improve
their personal well-being and, at the same
time, to enhance ecological balance and
social harmony. We seek to join with
people and organizations around the world
to foster peace, economic justice, and the
health of the planet.
10. FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
Our actions and policies should be
motivated by long-term goals. We seek to
protect valuable natural resources, safely
disposing of or “unmaking” all waste
we create, while developing a sustainable
economics that does not depend on
continual expansion for survival. We must
counterbalance the drive for short-term
profits by assuring that economic
development, new technologies, and fiscal
policies are responsible to future
generations who will inherit the results
of our actions.
Yeah. They are definitely the party of
the future. Two party politics has to go.
People have to look beyond the popular
media for answers and information because
they just don't give other parties a
chance. I wish Elizabeth May was our
prime minister.
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Posted: 02-16-08 16:49pm
killbill
wrote:
Yeah. They are definitely
the party of the future. Two party
politics has to go. People have to look
beyond the popular media for answers and
information because they just don't give
other parties a chance. I wish Elizabeth
May was our prime
minister.
right on!
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I am a Greenie myself and waiting to see
our canidate ..
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Posted: 02-19-08 16:35pm
I won't vote green until there's a chance
it would actually work.
I know, I know, I'm just part of the
problem when I say that. But I don't
really have faith that people can change
the system, I think the powers that be
(rich politicians) are too far removed and
will never bother to listen to what I
think about the system and how it is run.
In reality, I hate the two party system.
But that's how politicians profit, so
that's gonna keep happening no matter
what.
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killbill
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Posted: 02-27-08 22:58pm
They always talk about this on "The View"
(yes I watch The View har har.)
I think they make some good points about
the double standard. Like John McCain
distancing himself from the guy who keeps
calling Obama "Barack Hussein Obama" but
when someone asked him "what are we going
to do about 'the health forum?'" he said
"good question."
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Posted: 02-27-08 23:33pm
Ralph Nader is running for president
again. UGH. He takes votes away mainly
from Democrats.
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I don't think any past Nader fans will
vote for him this time. We have Obama!!
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Posted: 02-28-08 02:07am
Im from NZ and our prime minister is a
woman, so was the last one before her...
I realise this has little relevance to you
guys but i just felt like saying! Lol k im
done being strange
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-28-08 08:41am
No, it's relavent. Catch up, america!
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homerx
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Posted: 02-28-08 09:50am
futureshock
wrote:
Ralph Nader is running for
president again. UGH. He takes votes
away mainly from
Democrats.
I know, every time...I wish he would give
it a rest so we can get a democrat in
office!!!
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Birch
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Posted: 02-28-08 10:29am
I'm voting Green.
Voting Democrat to me is quite similar to
voting Republican.
I will not compromise my values so we can
get someone less offensive in office.
It's still all offensive.
Additionally, if more people support a
third party changes to this bipartisian
gov't can evolve. More democracy, more
choices. As well as if Green gets
support, these major parties will be
inclined to incorporate Green values into
their campaigns in the future.
If I'm ordering food, I'm not going to
pick between two crappy choices when there
is a third choice that is better for me.
"Well, this dish isn't so crappy, it's
less crappy than that really stinky one,
so I'll eat it for four years."
I would rather vote Green than vote for
something I vehemently oppose. To me, that
is a wasted vote.
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homerx
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Posted: 02-28-08 10:39am
Birch
wrote:
I'm voting Green.
Voting Democrat to me is quite similar to
voting Republican.
I will not compromise my values so we can
get someone less offensive in office.
It's still all offensive.
Additionally, if more people support a
third party changes to this bipartisian
gov't can evolve. More democracy, more
choices. As well as if Green gets
support, these major parties will be
inclined to incorporate Green values into
their campaigns in the future.
If I'm ordering food, I'm not going to
pick between two crappy choices when there
is a third choice that is better for me.
"Well, this dish isn't so crappy, it's
less crappy than that really stinky one,
so I'll eat it for four years."
I would rather vote Green than vote for
something I vehemently oppose. To me, that
is a wasted
vote.
I agree....people should vote for who they
want to run this crazy country for the
next 4 or 8 years...so who is the Green
candidate?