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backpain1955

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Posted: 02-10-08 09:43am

AIDs was indeed once a death sentence with most people living a matter of months after the symptoms were fully manifested. Now, using multidrug antiviral therapies there are many people with very low if not undetectable titers of HIV and some have now been free of symptoms for over 10 years. The case fatality rate is the measure of the lethality of a disease and presenting the inversion of that data, the case survival rate, for AIDS the 1 year survival was 12.8% in 1985, 54.2% in 1990, 75% in 1995, 94.7% in 2000, and 96.1% in 2005. The diagnosis as such can hardly be considered a terminal illness in those that a. have access to current multi-antiviral therapies and b. are compliant with the regimen.
It is absolutely a miraculous turnaround in the treatment and survival of AIDs over the past 20 years. Now that being said, the drugs themselves can make you sicker than a dog, and have their own set of associated and severe side effects. The disease remains a horrible disease that has profoundly harsh effects on the body. It is a serious, chronic illness, but is only rarely a terminal illness anymore in the US. Contrast that with Sudan where it IS a terminal illness due to lack of access to drug treatment, sexual promiscuity, and bizarre cultural beliefs about AIDS.
Now the real question is what would any of us do if we had acquired the disease and were wasting away due to lack of appetite? I think if any of us had tried other drugs that were ineffective, we would resort to whatever we could find available in order to survive, including smoking marijuana. Of course it is illegal, but under the circumstances, it may indeed save a person's life. So, we would become advocates for its legalization, and I would agree that it should be legal if it is the only thing that will stop the symptoms of corporal wasting. The real problem comes in when we want to legalize it for "medical uses" when there are millions of people in the US waiting in the wings with manufactured maladies that would come under the banner of legal medical marijuana use. What would be the harm in legalizing it for all uses? Well, that is what we debate on this forum, and many have presented compelling arguments for its use due to the relative paucity of side effects. Perhaps you are right....perhaps it should ultimately be legalized regardless of the side effects as long as people are informed as to those in full. In most countries it is considered a minor infraction to smoke marijuana and in some, it is completely legal. Recently I visited Amsterdam and went inside a marijuana shop that was well kept, well organized, and other than the "Highlife" T-shirts and magazines mounted on the walls, you would not initially know it was a shop that sold a product that is illegal in the US.
Perhaps we should be more tolerant of a drug that does kill people but probably in far fewer numbers than current legal drugs. NSAIDs in 1995 killed 16,500 in the US alone. Methadone killed over 4,000 last year. Marijuana? Well we don't really know, but the death from the drug would be masked by other more acute causes. It is possible we need as a society a paradigm shift. Certainly politically, one is coming. Perhaps that will translate into a different attitude within the DEA and law enforcement, however it will require federal legislative action to change the way the US government perceives the drug.
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Posted: 02-10-08 12:54pm

lizet wrote:
Backpain, I am pretty sure AIDS is terminal. Not much you can do about it.

And Homer, I am fully aware. No worries.


Thank you,lizet...no worries at all ! Smile Peace and Love and Understanding. I am glad you and I and Bobbette were able to talk without being hateful, I hate when these threads get mean ...life is 2 short. luvcomp hey respect
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Posted: 02-10-08 13:03pm

bobbette wrote:
Back pain - well--you have ruined yet another thread with your interloping (homerx was directly addressing lizet--not u)--- then with your needlessly cruel and incessant rantings. u know nothing of forum etiquette and should be banned from these forums for your aggressive, mean rantings. Soon u will be able to have exclusive interactions between yourself and Algosdoc.


Bobbette, don't worry about backpain1955/algosdoc..it really doesn't matter what backpain/algosdoc says and now that he/she has shown his/her true colors again by being cruel and mean and ruining another thread with his/her tirades like always we can move on. Peace and Love and Good Health to you, homerx voices luvcomp 4you 2thumbs respect
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homerx

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backpain1955 has NEVER been on a back pain forum
Posted: 02-10-08 13:06pm

P.S. backpain1955 has still NEVER been on the back pain forums, I checked his/her history and profile...wonder why????? algosdoc and backpaine1955 are the same person. They share the same M.O. and the same IM address..... scared Shocked...i will alert admin because I am sure that is against the rules of conduct.
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Posted: 02-11-08 12:05pm

lizet wrote:
Actually most of the effects I listed tend to be worsened but ingesting marijuana. You can not stop when *enough is enough* because it takes much longer to feel it and by then you could have already consumed more than desired. Also, the effects are felt for longer periods of time and are in fact worse than smoking.


Is this from personal experience or anecdotal, may I ask?
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Cicatriz

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Posted: 02-15-08 05:49am

Pot shouldn't be legalized. I smoked from about 13 to a month ago I am now 18. I just think, if it was legal i just think us as a nation would have to many problems with it. I mean its not like since its illegal people don't deal and use it daily. Laws will always be broken, crap look at the 1920's when we had speakeasies. But its whatever, i just think its a topic that shouldn't be so hyped up. Just my opinion i guess.
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homerx

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That was not the topic
Posted: 02-21-08 19:55pm

The topic was Medical (key word) Marijuana ...not for recreation by kids or adults. Should it be legal for doctors to prescribe it to people with chronic or terminal illnesses.
People keep getting off track. no one was saying it should be legal like alcohol or cigarettes..which should be illegal if you ask me! They have absolutely NO medicinal value where as marijuana does...its a proven fact.
It should be prescribed by a doctor for people who need it to eat and sleep and reduce nausea and weight gain among other things.
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Posted: 03-09-08 01:18am

i live in a pot ridden town-- i see everything first hand AND have researched marijuana (specifically its effects) to write a paper.... soooooo....
here it is: yes, marijuana does have an increased amount of tar and it does cause more mucus.... so does ANY inhaled smoke... wood, cigarette, or weed....
but i think if you REALLY want to speak on the subject, you should be a little more educated (im not trying to insult you or your intellegince in any way, especially since im for legalization and speaking negatively about it)
but i would like to know how you think it is going to "help cancer patients"? marijuana also has more carcinogens (cancer causing agents) in it than cigarettes.... a leading cause of cancer.....
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Posted: 03-10-08 14:25pm

google it....its a fact. AND you do NOT have to smoke it at all, you can inhale the fumes threw a vaporizer or you can cook it in food or make tea and drink it so you don't have to smoke it at all to get the benefits.
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Posted: 04-21-08 20:44pm

If you eat marijuana or use a vaporizer there is absolutely no damage done to the body whatsoever... not to mention how much you have to smoke of it... People i know that smoke cigarettes can smoke a pack a day... i can smoke about 2 joints a day... so im still getting less tar :] not to mention the current research that has shown marijuana can help slow and reverse the spread of cancer. when i smoked pot i didnt cough at all really, just after i took a hit. then after that my lungs would feel great... I RUN CROSS COUNTRY!!!

So to all you haters out there, im living proof that pot is better then cigs...
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Posted: 04-21-08 20:46pm

No doubt. ParkerYoung, I second that...! 2thumbs
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