AIDs was indeed once a death sentence with
most people living a matter of months
after the symptoms were fully manifested.
Now, using multidrug antiviral therapies
there are many people with very low if not
undetectable titers of HIV and some have
now been free of symptoms for over 10
years. The case fatality rate is the
measure of the lethality of a disease and
presenting the inversion of that data, the
case survival rate, for AIDS the 1 year
survival was 12.8% in 1985, 54.2% in 1990,
75% in 1995, 94.7% in 2000, and 96.1% in
2005. The diagnosis as such can hardly
be considered a terminal illness in those
that a. have access to current
multi-antiviral therapies and b. are
compliant with the regimen.
It is absolutely a miraculous turnaround
in the treatment and survival of AIDs over
the past 20 years. Now that being said,
the drugs themselves can make you sicker
than a dog, and have their own set of
associated and severe side effects. The
disease remains a horrible disease that
has profoundly harsh effects on the body.
It is a serious, chronic illness, but is
only rarely a terminal illness anymore in
the US. Contrast that with Sudan where it
IS a terminal illness due to lack of
access to drug treatment, sexual
promiscuity, and bizarre cultural beliefs
about AIDS.
Now the real question is what would any
of us do if we had acquired the disease
and were wasting away due to lack of
appetite? I think if any of us had tried
other drugs that were ineffective, we
would resort to whatever we could find
available in order to survive, including
smoking marijuana. Of course it is
illegal, but under the circumstances, it
may indeed save a person's life. So, we
would become advocates for its
legalization, and I would agree that it
should be legal if it is the only thing
that will stop the symptoms of corporal
wasting. The real problem comes in when
we want to legalize it for "medical uses"
when there are millions of people in the
US waiting in the wings with manufactured
maladies that would come under the banner
of legal medical marijuana use. What
would be the harm in legalizing it for all
uses? Well, that is what we debate on
this forum, and many have presented
compelling arguments for its use due to
the relative paucity of side effects.
Perhaps you are right....perhaps it should
ultimately be legalized regardless of the
side effects as long as people are
informed as to those in full. In most
countries it is considered a minor
infraction to smoke marijuana and in some,
it is completely legal. Recently I
visited Amsterdam and went inside a
marijuana shop that was well kept, well
organized, and other than the "Highlife"
T-shirts and magazines mounted on the
walls, you would not initially know it was
a shop that sold a product that is illegal
in the US.
Perhaps we should be more tolerant of a
drug that does kill people but probably in
far fewer numbers than current legal
drugs. NSAIDs in 1995 killed 16,500 in
the US alone. Methadone killed over 4,000
last year. Marijuana? Well we don't
really know, but the death from the drug
would be masked by other more acute
causes. It is possible we need as a
society a paradigm shift. Certainly
politically, one is coming. Perhaps that
will translate into a different attitude
within the DEA and law enforcement,
however it will require federal
legislative action to change the way the
US government perceives the drug.
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Posted: 02-10-08 12:54pm
lizet
wrote:
Backpain, I am pretty sure
AIDS is terminal. Not much you can do
about it.
And Homer, I am fully aware. No
worries.
Thank you,lizet...no worries at all ! Peace and Love
and Understanding. I am glad you and I and
Bobbette were able to talk without being
hateful, I hate when these threads get
mean ...life is 2 short.
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Posted: 02-10-08 13:03pm
bobbette
wrote:
Back pain - well--you have
ruined yet another thread with your
interloping (homerx was directly
addressing lizet--not u)--- then with
your needlessly cruel and incessant
rantings. u know nothing of forum
etiquette and should be banned from these
forums for your aggressive, mean rantings.
Soon u will be able to have exclusive
interactions between yourself and
Algosdoc.
Bobbette, don't worry about
backpain1955/algosdoc..it really doesn't
matter what backpain/algosdoc says and now
that he/she has shown his/her true colors
again by being cruel and mean and ruining
another thread with his/her tirades like
always we can move on. Peace and Love and
Good Health to you, homerx
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backpain1955 has NEVER been on a back pain forum Posted: 02-10-08 13:06pm
P.S. backpain1955 has still NEVER been on
the back pain forums, I checked his/her
history and profile...wonder why?????
algosdoc and backpaine1955 are the same
person. They share the same M.O. and the
same IM address..... ...i will alert
admin because I am sure that is against
the rules of conduct.
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Posted: 02-11-08 12:05pm
lizet
wrote:
Actually most of the effects
I listed tend to be worsened but ingesting
marijuana. You can not stop when *enough
is enough* because it takes much longer to
feel it and by then you could have already
consumed more than desired. Also, the
effects are felt for longer periods of
time and are in fact worse than
smoking.
Is this from personal experience or
anecdotal, may I ask?
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I Think Posted: 02-15-08 05:49am
Pot shouldn't be legalized. I smoked from
about 13 to a month ago I am now 18. I
just think, if it was legal i just think
us as a nation would have to many problems
with it. I mean its not like since its
illegal people don't deal and use it
daily. Laws will always be broken, crap
look at the 1920's when we had
speakeasies. But its whatever, i just
think its a topic that shouldn't be so
hyped up. Just my opinion i guess.
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That was not the topic Posted: 02-21-08 19:55pm
The topic was Medical (key word) Marijuana
...not for recreation by kids or adults.
Should it be legal for doctors to
prescribe it to people with chronic or
terminal illnesses.
People keep getting off track. no one was
saying it should be legal like alcohol or
cigarettes..which should be illegal if you
ask me! They have absolutely NO medicinal
value where as marijuana does...its a
proven fact.
It should be prescribed by a doctor for
people who need it to eat and sleep and
reduce nausea and weight gain among other
things.
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Posted: 03-09-08 01:18am
i live in a pot ridden town-- i see
everything first hand AND have researched
marijuana (specifically its effects) to
write a paper.... soooooo....
here it is: yes, marijuana does have an
increased amount of tar and it does cause
more mucus.... so does ANY inhaled
smoke... wood, cigarette, or weed....
but i think if you REALLY want to speak on
the subject, you should be a little more
educated (im not trying to insult you or
your intellegince in any way, especially
since im for legalization and speaking
negatively about it)
but i would like to know how you think it
is going to "help cancer patients"?
marijuana also has more carcinogens
(cancer causing agents) in it than
cigarettes.... a leading cause of
cancer.....
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Posted: 03-10-08 14:25pm
google it....its a fact. AND you do NOT
have to smoke it at all, you can inhale
the fumes threw a vaporizer or you can
cook it in food or make tea and drink it
so you don't have to smoke it at all to
get the benefits.
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Posted: 04-21-08 20:44pm
If you eat marijuana or use a vaporizer
there is absolutely no damage done to the
body whatsoever... not to mention how much
you have to smoke of it... People i know
that smoke cigarettes can smoke a pack a
day... i can smoke about 2 joints a day...
so im still getting less tar :] not to
mention the current research that has
shown marijuana can help slow and reverse
the spread of cancer. when i smoked pot i
didnt cough at all really, just after i
took a hit. then after that my lungs would
feel great... I RUN CROSS COUNTRY!!!
So to all you haters out there, im living
proof that pot is better then cigs...
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