My lifes over, feeling hopeless Posted: 02-12-08 14:41pm
I am no teenager, i'm in my forties so
please no teens trying to compare hating a
class or something to my life because if I
had a small problem I wouldn't be here, I
would fix it. When I was growing up my
fantasy (goals) about adulthood was just
to get a good job that paid well, buy that
house with the fence, get married and have
kids. Back then you could pretty much get
into most fields even with no experience
and if you worked hard you could make it.
After high school my goal was to join the
Army and have a career as a mechanic and
after I got out of the military apply my
skills to either get my own business or
get a good job and settle down. Well after
about five years the military started an
equal opportunity push and all the white
guys like me started getting passed over
for promotions. Eventually we were told to
our faces we wouldn't be promoted anymore
because we were white males. Eventually I
was forced out.
In the civilian world businesses
everywhere started the same thing but age
discrimination was also added in. people
everywhere with seniority started waking
up to find no jobs waiting, while younger
and less skilled workers got their jobs
for far less money. When I got out every
employer laughed at my military background
and told me to come back when I received
civilian training and experience. Catch
twenty two, no jobs without experience and
no training unless you already had a job
in your new field. Entry level jobs soon
disappeared at least for people like me
but if you could speak spanish, automatic
job, even if you could not read and write
in English, or had no verifiable
background or experience. They can even
get a drivers license with an expired
passport, while me with six forms of ID
get turned away and still have to bring a
filing cabinet the next time it needs
renewing.
Every job field I qualified to get into
soon squeezed people like me out. During
my civilian years many employers have told
me to my face they don't hire whites,
wouldn't because of my age or sex, ore a
combination of them. So while these
reasons to discriminate might be illegal
if another group received them like
blacks, females, spanish speaking,etc
there is no law anywhere to protect people
like me since equal opportunity laws were
designed not to treat everyone equally.
These laws were to deny people like me
from further opportunities so others, even
when completely unqualified for a position
could take our places, for far less money.
Businesses everywhere took advantage of
these laws to combine jobs, cut salaries,
and to decrease or eliminate benefits like
retirement and health care, and to ship
job opportunities overseas.
Anyway I eventually found myself being
denied opportunity after opportunity
because I was an older white guy. So since
I don't have a career field to fall back
on I am stuck with no employable skills or
experience. Many skills I did have are
years outdated. Education, I have tried
many times and each worthless, since no
education is worth anything unless an
employer is willing to hire and train
entry level candidates, today most will
not unless your're of high school age like
my son.
I love my wife dearly however, she was
married once before and afterwards got
fixed and cannot have kids anymore. Now
one my dreams was always to have kids of
my own so I never will. So here I sit in
my forties, my wife works, my son even
works and will soon go to college. Me I
will never be employable because I'm
either to old, the wrong sex, the wrong
race, not experienced, no current
training, no references, and no verifiable
background, or whatever other reason you
can toss in. Life has passed me by despite
my attempts to particapate. I am now
completely useless and am sure I will be a
burden on my wife for the rest of my days.
When I have mentioned these problems
before most just cannot understand my
problems since they have never walked a
mile in my shoes. While my dear wife has
been extremely supportive, even she does
not understand my problems. However
recently she was purposely fired from a
job because she was the only American
citizen there, so she is starting to
understand. Some in online forums have
called people like me a cry baby and tell
people like me to be silent. I refuse to
go silently, but feel I will be useless
for the rest of my life. I have tried
everything but am out of options, I guess
I have to except that I will never be
employable again, and that everything I
wanted to achieve in life will never
happen. Well at least there is that last
constant, we all die sooner or later. Its
probably a good thing I don't believe in
suicide, or own a gun. Then again that
would be to easy, life is determined to
have me suffer as long as possible. So
sitting in the shadows and suffering
mostly in silence is my punishment in
life.
Wanted to add in we are drowning in dept,
rent is overdue, bills are piled high and
I feel its all my fault because I can't
find any job even if my life depends on
it. I feel my situation is hopeless and
it's all because I have failed at
everything I have ever tried to do.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 02-19-08 15:06pm
Shadowman-
I'm so sorry to hear about the trouble
you've been through.
Have you talked to anyone about getting
help: a career counselor, maybe a
therapist??
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shadowman
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Mmm talking to someone who, the KKK? Posted: 02-19-08 19:33pm
Lets see talking to someone? I could spend
a ton of money I don't have to see someone
with a degree who is most likely half my
age and has never been exposed to my
problems, who would have no experience to
draw from. They might say things like you
should like yourself more, or believe in
myself more than I do. A favorite for them
might be to have me list what I like about
myself and what I don't. Time saver, not
much I like about my life, period. Yup,
talking to someone without a clue to my
problems would be helpful how? Perhaps, if
there was a group around for older white
guys with my problems, (and lead by one
then) I might go sign up right now.
However, we all know there are no such
groups around.
A career counselor? Sure if I had money
and again a service designed for the young
or someone with highly marketable skills,
i'd be in neither group. These services
all give the same advice and don't cater
to people like me. I'd waste my time and
money and never see results. See I have
been deprived of a career my entire life
simply because i'm a white guy so no
amount of counseling will overcome the
fact that I have never been given a
chance to get a good job and the skills I
need. Lastly, don't say education, thats
the biggest scam around. I have a wall
full of awards and degrees, and stuff they
don't count when your told sorry only
females and blacks get the promotion, or
sorry we don't hire whites, older workers,
or U.S. citizens.
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CarolDiane
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Posted: 02-20-08 12:01pm
Only you have control over your life and
what you are able to do with it. Untill
April of 2006 I worked in the medical
field for 23 years. I am not almost 61
years old. For the last 4 years my life
has been built around health horror and
almost death. I am not at the end of my
third stage of disablity after being
denied twice. My youngest son is talking
care of me. I get food stamps and am on
Medicaid. I belong to the government! I
deal with it and do the best I can to make
my life useful in other ways. I will never
work again. As a matter of fact, I go for
spine surgery March 3rd.
You seem to have alot of anger built up
inside over things that are so pety. Don't
take that anger out on our staff.
Georgia59 is one of the best Modertors on
this board amongst many others. If you
don't want to hear what we say then you
are not ready for any help. We are all
here to help you if you really want to
listen. There are jobs out there for
people that can and want to work.
Don't you think that every day I get
depressed just thinking that I am a burden
on my son? YES. I do. But, I try and make
both our lives as stress free as possible.
So, if you have come here to argue and not
for help, you have lost the point of this
community.
As a side note. My son got fired for not
doing something that was NOT in his job
discription and has been out of work for a
month. He just now got a new job. We also
don't know how the rent, power, water etc
bills are going to be paid. You think your
the only one in this position. Well, your
are wrong.
Now I am done...............
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Georgia59
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Posted: 02-20-08 13:18pm
shadowman
wrote:
Lets see talking to someone?
I could spend a ton of money I don't have
to see someone with a degree who is most
likely half my age and has never been
exposed to my problems, who would have no
experience to draw from. They might say
things like you should like yourself more,
or believe in myself more than I do. A
favorite for them might be to have me list
what I like about myself and what I don't.
Time saver, not much I like about my life,
period. Yup, talking to someone without a
clue to my problems would be helpful how?
Perhaps, if there was a group around for
older white guys with my problems, (and
lead by one then) I might go sign up right
now. However, we all know there are no
such groups around.
A career counselor? Sure if I had money
and again a service designed for the young
or someone with highly marketable skills,
i'd be in neither group. These services
all give the same advice and don't cater
to people like me. I'd waste my time and
money and never see results. See I have
been deprived of a career my entire life
simply because i'm a white guy so no
amount of counseling will overcome the
fact that I have never been given a
chance to get a good job and the skills I
need. Lastly, don't say education, thats
the biggest scam around. I have a wall
full of awards and degrees, and stuff they
don't count when your told sorry only
females and blacks get the promotion, or
sorry we don't hire whites, older workers,
or U.S. citizens.
I'm just thinking that if you talk to
someone like a career counselor, they will
be able to point you to jobs that you are
well qualified for and that you are likely
to be hired for. They know the reality of
the job market, they should be able to
help you with whatever problems you are
having. If you're really that sure that
your problem is being an older white male,
find an older white male career counselor
who can identify with you and help you
out.
And you really do sound like you need the
help of some kind of therapist, someone
you can talk to. If you go to a good
doctor and really tell them how you're
feeling, tell them you don't want to make
any silly lists of things you like about
yourself, that kind of thing, they WILL
listen to you and they WILL help you in
ways you feel are appropriate.
Don't knock it till ya try it. That's all
I'm saying. There are many older white men
in therapy, career counseling, etc. that
you can talk to if you think they will be
more sympathetic. Just give it a try.
Find a older white male
therapist/psychologist/counselor who can
help you out. I promise they're out there.
And don't tell me "I won't try it because
it won't work" because well, then you're
never gonna get anywhere.
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georgina23
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therapy - and a suggestion Posted: 02-20-08 15:39pm
Hello.
I am truly sorry to read your woes - they
are real to you no matter WHAT else is
going on in the world. Your S*** is your
S*** and that's what you have to deal
with.
DO TRY therapy. I too had the same
feelings as you about it. But after a
pretty hefty few years (last year was the
worst - SO FAR) - see my blog here "i
don't know how i am still alive".
I too am drownign in debt - i don't have
any family of my own that can help.
Haven't had a cuddle or any physical
contact (apart from a handshake at work)
in nearly a year.
Councelling (i was desperate) DID help -
after i attended 6 sessions (yes you have
to work at it too - it's really hard to
open up) and you know what?? to my
amazement i learnt things about myself. So
do find one that is available free of
charge (see your doctor) and keep at it.
Set yourself a small (tho might seem huge)
goal (you are a goal setter after all!) to
go 6 times..... just see what happens OK?
Suggestion:
Set up your own business.
Fitness classes in a park
Help other people get fit.
You have training you can pull from.
There's a revolution in outdoor fitness
going on here - British Military Fitness
(google it) - you could do the same thing.
Even if you don't partake in the exercises
(if you have health issues), having a
responsibility to help others, be in
charge, be around positive people just
might be a turning point for you.
other ideas:
set up a site / blog for others who have
experienced the same rejections as you.
People have different skills - you never
know what ideas you might all come up with
together - which may even lead to work.
Don't rely on others for work - get
yourself up up up. Yes i know, seems
relentless but there are two types of
people in this world:
those that sit and wait for life to serve
them
those that get up, maybe take just one
tiny step before they fall over. Get up,
dust themselves down, take another couple
of steps - fall over again.
You might be a little bruised - but you're
doing something.
you sound like a fighter to me - find
those last ounces of strength - and DO
SOMETHING. Even if it seems the most
mammoth effort to begin with...
The best of British luck Sir.... go do it!
x
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Georgia59
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Posted: 02-20-08 21:42pm
Those were great suggestions.
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shadowman
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Your suggestions seem great on the surface but... Posted: 02-20-08 23:09pm
I have tried all sorts of ways to get a
better job: agencies, a high end career
placement agency, job fairs, college (big
scam,) etc. and I get the same results
every time, nothing. I say I am out of
options because I've exhausted them all
over the years. My last attempt was to go
to college and begin my own business, but
I got hosed instead. Wanna talk about
careers, I've been pushed out of several
so everything I ever wanted to do and then
some is gone for me.
Fitness, I go for walks and joined LA
Boxing with my wife recently, a bit of
excercise doesn't scare me. I have always
strived to do my best in everything I do
and I have dozens of past awards and stuff
to back up that claim from past careers.
Now that i'm older I am faced with the
fact that my best never mattered because I
never had a chance.
A counselor seems like a good idea but I
don't qualify for free services of any
type and can't afford to pay. Opening up
and talking about things with a counselor
seems like it could be helpful, except for
one thing. I know my luck and it would not
be helpful jumping from one counselor to
another until I find one that is right for
me. Plus it can show up in my medical
history and effect things like getting
life insurance and such. I know tried
selling life insurance for a bit, was even
licensed, another business flop.
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CarolDiane
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shadowman Posted: 02-21-08 05:57am
My heart really goes out to you. I know
your not hear for someone to play hearts
and flowers for you. You are a genuine
gentlemen, who is plagued with the feeling
of be betrayed, misunderstood and
depressed. I will be honest with you. If I
were as young again as you are, I would
probably feel the same way. Sounds to me
like you really haave tried everything
under the sun to find work. Use to be you
did not even need a high school diploma to
get a entry level job. Then that changed
and they requested you have a high school
diploma for anything. Now the changed and
you need a journeymans liecense or a
degree to get anywhere anymore. It is
getting harder and harder. My oldest son
worked for Capital One for 7 years as a
computer software anyalist. One day he
gets his pick slip. They were dropping
over a hundred top level employees so they
could outsource the work. Thank goodness
he got a better paying job with the
brokridge furm Franklin Tempelton.
My point is, if I were still you age even
with a medical background for over 23
years, I would not be able to find work
either. Overworked and underpaid!
You are in my thoughts shadowman,
Carrie
I like
georgina23's tips
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georgina23
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For Ms Carrie Posted: 02-21-08 15:52pm
Will be thinking of you on 3rd March.
Actually on 2nd March - that'll be the day
to send hope and love and other thoughts
of good will.
Shadowman, i don't know your situation,
but it sounds like you could do with being
surrounded by other people OUTSIDE all of
this. Not friends you already know, not
family - other people
Why not volunteer to do some work for your
local community??
Helping older people, who can be very
lonely
start a scheme and then get your local
government involved...
Anything that takes the focus OFF your
worries (i know, they'll still be there
but sometimes the incessant thinking about
them is more than half the affliction) and
focussing something positive. Having a
schedule, a responsibility means you have
something else to think about... a reason
to get up and out the house. It's all text
book stuff but sometimes we have to give
in to text books and realise that we are
creatures of habit and things affect most
in the same ways.
You are a human being. Every one of us is
valuable, everyone can touch others.
You have a big heart which i am sure can
be put to amazing use. Get some
self-worth, even if you have to pretend
for a bit - it rubs off for real i assure
you.
Good luck x
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CarolDiane
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Posted: 02-21-08 23:11pm
georgina23: Thank-you. They
will be appreciated
Shadowman: georgina23 has a good
thought. Sometimes in life, just the
smallest feeling of selfworth is worth
it's weight in gold. You need to get out
and do something kind for others. There is
so much volunteer work out there. Although
it does not pay. It makes you feel worth
something and money does not buy
happiness. I realize it does not pay the
bills either. But, maybe, just maybe it
will open up some doors for you and you
may even get a job out of it when they see
the good you can do. I think georgina23's
idea is wonderful.
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