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Kash Dio
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Babies
Posted: 02-18-08 20:34pm
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Don't pro-lifers understand that if babies
weren't such pains in the ass, abortion
probably would not have to exist.
Why don't you put as much time, energy,
and money into riding the medical
community's ass so they will create cures
for morning sickness and the gazillions of
other problems pregnancy and childbirth
cause?
I am a woman and I find it sickening that
anyone, especially other women, will so
readily submit to accepting patriarchical
laws that deny women the right to do
whatever with their bodies.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 02-18-08 22:00pm
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| Kash Dio
wrote: | | Why don't you nimrods put as
much time, energy, and money into riding
the medical community's ass so they will
create cures for morning sickness and the
gazillions of other problems pregnancy and
childbirth
cause? |
Or better yet, 100% methods of preventing
pregnancy.
Disclaimer: Saying "abstinence" will make
you look dumb.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 02-18-08 23:42pm
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My birth control pill was 100% effective.
In two weeks I finish my last pack as I'm
now going to try to conceive! Job well
done by the pill!
Before the pill I tried abstinence and
that one also worked 100% and was free!!
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manuftw82
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Posted: 02-19-08 00:10am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | My birth control pill was
100% effective. In two weeks I finish my
last pack as I'm now going to try to
conceive! Job well done by the pill!
Before the pill I tried abstinence and
that one also worked 100% and was
free!! |
No birth control pill is 100% effective.
Just because you didn't get pregnant on it
doesn't mean that other people haven't
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 02-19-08 07:28am
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Yeah, they are like 99.8%.
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Posted: 02-19-08 07:29am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | My birth control pill was
100% effective. In two weeks I finish my
last pack as I'm now going to try to
conceive! Job well done by the pill!
Before the pill I tried abstinence and
that one also worked 100% and was
free!! |
You are catholic I believe NA.. Abstinence
is not 100% effective according to your
religion, it didn't work for mary and I
don't care how 'divine' the cause was..
she was abstinent and was still
impregnanted by 'god' via an 'angel' which
proves abstinence is not 100% effective.
The pill is not 100% effective; I have a
13 year old daughter who was a pill baby.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 02-19-08 07:32am
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Catholic and taking the birth control
pill. Aren't you just lovely!
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yodavater
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Re: Babies
Posted: 02-19-08 10:12am
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| Kash Dio
wrote: | | Don't you pro-lifers
understand that if babies weren't such
pains in the ass, abortion probably would
not have to exist.
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Sure. And toddlers are a pain in the ass
too. Should it also be legal to kill
them, if no one volunteers to take them
off your hands?
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killbill
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Re: Babies
Posted: 02-19-08 10:36am
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| yodavater
wrote: | | Kash Dio
wrote: | | Don't you pro-lifers
understand that if babies weren't such
pains in the ass, abortion probably would
not have to exist.
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Sure. And toddlers are a pain in the ass
too. Should it also be legal to kill
them, if no one volunteers to take them
off your
hands? |
Yeah. Babies are pure evil. 
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sistersister
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Posted: 02-19-08 11:22am
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The pill is around 99% percent effective
as long as it is taken exactly per the
directions. That includes taking it at
twenty four hour intervals at the exact
same time each day.
Nothing is 100% including tubal ligations.
Not even practicing abstiance, becuase you
can be like so very many women in this
country, raped.
As for those catholics taking the pill yet
vocally apposed to abortion, interesting
how they pick and choose what to follow in
their church teachings to fit their needs.
I don't think I have ever heard a patient
tell me that they made their choice based
ont he fact that kids are a pain in the
ass. I have heard them say they did not
want kids and I do think someone who does
not want a child should not be forced to
have them.
Many women I see have pregnancies they
really wanted, some have even had invitro
to get pregnant, then something has gone
wrong and after much soul searching and
looking at the alternatives they chose to
abort.
Wouldn't it be nice if the only ones who
got problem pregnancies or carried fetus
with anomalies were prolifers. Perhaps
"god" or the gods and goddesses should
arrange that. Then the plers could
gestate themselves into nirvana and other
women would never have to face these
problems.
The prolifers are never going to put the
actual time money or effort into providing
for born children. Born children are
messy and as I have said before they can
not take a born child and fold it up and
put it in the car trunk like they do their
fetus posters. Born children take real
effort and to care for them you are on
their time schedual not yours. Besides
the post born have their own oppinions and
unlike the the preborn they may not like
the prolifers speaking for them,
The following is just my oppinion from
twenty plus years of observing and talking
to prolife protestors (and a great deal
from watching my fundie relatives)
As to the women that truly seem to think
being some males doormat is the only way
to be a woman. They need profesional
help. I have found that with a good many
of the "prolife" couples protesting at the
gate while the woman claims to be
"subserviant" she is the real one in
charge of the couple. Face it there are
is areally high percentage of vagina
whupped men in the movement. I think men
that are prone to being such are drawn to
the movement becuase on the surface they
get the illusion of being in charge and
the women that are so vocal about other
women choices really do not like their own
sex. It is not that they see themselves
in a negative light but that they see
themselves as the exception that proves
the rule (I'm good and all other women
that are not exactly like me are not) They
really have huge egos and the prolife
movement reinforces their "specialness"
and feeds those egos without them really
having to do anything that demands real
sacrifice.
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Posted: 02-19-08 11:42am
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That's a really interesting take on it,
sistersister. I never thought of it that
way but now that I think about it, your
observation concerning the illusion of
power in many "traditional" relationships
rings true.
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Kash Dio
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Posted: 02-19-08 13:51pm
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Yoda-Obviously, it's against the law to
kill toddlers because they aren't growing
inside of women's bodies. Anyway, I don't
believe abortion is "killing."
You pro-lifers still haven't answered my
question about why you don't push the
medical community to find those cures.
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Kash Dio
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Posted: 02-19-08 14:05pm
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Evil or not, you can't deny that babies
are a pain in the ass. I hear about these
women dumping them in trash cans or
sticking them in microwaves, and I
honestly am not shocked. Not that I'm
saying those things are an acceptable
choice, but I can understand the
desperation that so often leads to those
types of choices. Especially when you
consider that many of these women couldn't
obtain abortions or put their babies up
for adoption for whatever reason and
therefore were forced into having these
children that they didn't want in the
first place.
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killbill
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Posted: 02-19-08 14:52pm
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Lots of things in life are a pain in the
ass. There is one way of dealing with
them that works for me. It's called
maturity.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 02-19-08 14:55pm
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| Kash Dio
wrote: | | Evil or not, you can't deny
that babies are a pain in the ass. I hear
about these women dumping them in trash
cans or sticking them in microwaves, and I
honestly am not shocked. Not that I'm
saying those things are an acceptable
choice, but I can understand the
desperation that so often leads to those
types of choices. Especially when you
consider that many of these women couldn't
obtain abortions or put their babies up
for adoption for whatever reason and
therefore were forced into having these
children that they didn't want in the
first place. |
I agree with this. So many people are
unaware of what the stresses of these
situations are like. Yes, many women have
children in deplorable conditions and make
it just fine. But what one woman can
handle is another story. Many women
cannot handle it. I can't imagine being
in extreme poverty and dealing with a
screaming child all day while dealing with
the other trials and tribulations of life.
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Posted: 02-19-08 21:02pm
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| Kash Dio
wrote: | | Evil or not, you can't deny
that babies are a pain in the ass. I hear
about these women dumping them in trash
cans or sticking them in microwaves, and I
honestly am not shocked. Not that I'm
saying those things are an acceptable
choice, but I can understand the
desperation that so often leads to those
types of choices. Especially when you
consider that many of these women couldn't
obtain abortions or put their babies up
for adoption for whatever reason and
therefore were forced into having these
children that they didn't want in the
first place. |
Can you tell me what a toddler can do so
wrong to you that you would wish to dump
him/her in a trash can or stick him/her in
a microwave?
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Posted: 02-20-08 07:04am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Kash Dio
wrote: | | Evil or not, you can't deny
that babies are a pain in the ass. I hear
about these women dumping them in trash
cans or sticking them in microwaves, and I
honestly am not shocked. Not that I'm
saying those things are an acceptable
choice, but I can understand the
desperation that so often leads to those
types of choices. Especially when you
consider that many of these women couldn't
obtain abortions or put their babies up
for adoption for whatever reason and
therefore were forced into having these
children that they didn't want in the
first place. |
Can you tell me what a toddler can do so
wrong to you that you would wish to dump
him/her in a trash can or stick him/her in
a microwave? |
You are using a false dilemma fallacy here
NA. Kash is not supporting nor justifying
the action she is pointing out the reasons
for such actions.
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manuftw82
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Posted: 02-20-08 10:36am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Kash Dio
wrote: | | Evil or not, you can't deny
that babies are a pain in the ass. I hear
about these women dumping them in trash
cans or sticking them in microwaves, and I
honestly am not shocked. Not that I'm
saying those things are an acceptable
choice, but I can understand the
desperation that so often leads to those
types of choices. Especially when you
consider that many of these women couldn't
obtain abortions or put their babies up
for adoption for whatever reason and
therefore were forced into having these
children that they didn't want in the
first place. |
Can you tell me what a toddler can do so
wrong to you that you would wish to dump
him/her in a trash can or stick him/her in
a microwave? |
No one is justifying those actions. But
from personal experience, I have dysphoric
episodes and when I do I don't reason
properly and I tend to hurt myself then
when I get out of it I don't even realize
what I've done. I would NEVER hurt
someone else but I could see if someone
else had one they might. It's not
justified to hurt someone else but I know
what it feels like to be so angry and so
hurt that you just snap and lose touch
with reality. If you've never been there
it's kind of hard to explain.
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Posted: 02-20-08 13:10pm
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| Kash Dio
wrote: | | Yoda-Obviously, it's against
the law to kill toddlers because they
aren't growing inside of women's bodies.
Anyway, I don't believe abortion is
"killing." |
How is it not "killing"? The 'thing' is
alive, you have an abortion, it's dead.
Something had to happen!
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Posted: 02-20-08 14:02pm
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Abortion definitely is killing. I think
what divides lifers and choicers over this
is the context in which it is used.
Obviously, killing a fetus or embryo isn't
the same as killing a person or animal.
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