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The Legal Reality of GLBT Relationships Posted: 02-22-08 15:29pm
WHAT MAKES A FAMILY? Is it a combination
of marriage and genetics or is it more
simply a group of people who love and care
for each other? Unfortunately, our society
doesn't define family very well. However,
while we as a society, identify family in
a number of ways, the important question
for the GLBT community is, 'What legally
constitutes a family?' Minnesota enjoys a
progressive legacy, but the state neither
recognizes marriage for same-sex couples
nor offers civil unions or domestic
partnership benefits.
Although gay and lesbian persons form
committed relationships, purchase
property, and raise children together,
when these couples end their
relationships, the law is silent; in the
eyes of the law, they are actually
considered strangers to each other. For
instance, the law is unimpressed that you
gave up a career to be a stay-at-home
parent while your partner spent years
acquiring thousands of dollars in a 401(k)
for a retirement intended for the two of
you to share together. It takes empathy to
recognize what two people have formed when
creating an intimate relationship,
purchasing property, and raising children
together, but far from empathizing with an
individual's plight, the law is rational
and unbiased.
As a result, attorneys are taking
advantage of the law's rationality and
logic to construct legal protections for
GLBT couples. The most common model is the
Domestic Partnership Agreement (DPA).
Similar to pre-nuptial agreements, DPAs
are essentially contracts between the two
individuals. They can create and clarify
property rights and financial
responsibilities between the two at any
time during the relationship.
DPAs have an essential protective effect
that, in the event of a separation, the
parties are able to invoke the mutually
agreed upon contract to resolve a dispute.
Thus, the parties can determine what will
happen should their partnership dissolve
before the relationship actually ends.
Without an express agreement between the
parties, a court must infer the intent of
the parties and attempt to produce an
equitable outcome for both parties. The
logic of the law will likely only provide
an equitable outcome for the titleholder
of the property, while limiting the
financial responsibility of one partner to
another. The law rarely recognizes a
financial responsibility between
strangers. There are countless tragic
stories of ended relationships that have
left people in financial ruin. Some
advance planning to preserve the strength
of your relationship may help lessen the
tension that arises from this type of
difficult circumstances.
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Posted: 02-27-08 16:44pm
Fortunately, Canada openly recognizes
same-sex couples legally. Though it's not
outright called "gay marriage", same-sex
civil unions are granted many of the same
legal benefits of hetero marriage. There
are still fights about the 'traditional
definition' of marriage, and we have our
fair shair of crazy Christian
fundamentalists who continute to challenge
the reality of same-sex civil unions in
Canada.
I agree that homosexuals should be
recognized as civilly united. Marriage,
however, I believe is more of a religious
rite than anything. If a certain religious
institution disagrees with same-sex
marriage and wont' grant them... that's
their prerogative. My concern isn't
necessarily with the religious aspect of
gay marriage, but the legal aspect. I
don't care what it's called, as long as
both same-sex civil unions and
heterosexual marriage carry equal weight
under the law. We deserve to be protected
by our government.
As for what makes a family? I grew up
Catholic, so 'traditional definition of
marriage' was drilled into my head. It is
under this definition that a real 'family'
can flourish. I was also, however the son
of a single mother who was raising four
kids. So all through my life, my family
was never viewed as a 'traditional
family'. This influenced my views of
'traditional family' life. I found that a
good portion of 'traditional families'
were very dysfunctional, abusive, and
'showy', but were nonetheless TRADITIONAL
becuase they had a mommy and a daddy who
decided to raise their kids catholic. I
quickly learned that unconditional love is
what constituted family, regardless of
genetics or sexuality or race. Screw the
'traditional definition of marriage'. I'm
confident that this unconditional love
will eventually prevail. People will see
how damaging and polarising the
'traditional' definition really is.
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Roberta777
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Good Information Posted: 02-27-08 16:53pm
Homer and Marvel.
Just have to keep fighting for what is
right. DPA's seem like a solid way to
protect yourself. Let's face it, when the
tough gets tough, some people bail out.
My friends Don and John had a beautiful
home together. But, when Don died, his
mother came in and took everything they
owned together. Pretty much threw John
under the bus. Took him years to recover.
He now has his own home. For awhile, he
lived in Florida, and now lives in Texas.
He is still looking to meet somebody he
can love as much as he loved Don. They
really were a beautiful couple who loved
each other.
In the scheme of things, if people love
each other, they love each other. It is
only their hearts that quicken with joy
when they are with the person they love.
Nobody has the right to take that away
from them.
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homerx
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Re: Good Information Posted: 02-27-08 18:09pm
Roberta777
wrote:
Homer and Marvel.
Just have to keep fighting for what is
right. DPA's seem like a solid way to
protect yourself. Let's face it, when the
tough gets tough, some people bail out.
My friends Don and John had a beautiful
home together. But, when Don died, his
mother came in and took everything they
owned together. Pretty much threw John
under the bus. Took him years to recover.
He now has his own home. For awhile, he
lived in Florida, and now lives in Texas.
He is still looking to meet somebody he
can love as much as he loved Don. They
really were a beautiful couple who loved
each other.
In the scheme of things, if people love
each other, they love each other. It is
only their hearts that quicken with joy
when they are with the person they love.
Nobody has the right to take that away
from them.
You are a wonderful person! I always agree
with you!
What you were saying about your friends
Don and John is all 2 familiar a story.
That is why Ricky and I have everything
taken care of in wills and our cars and
home are in both our names. My mother
would have been more than happy to take
everything away from Ricky if I were to
pass away. She and my brother both...sad
...so yes, all gay couples need to make
sure all there wills are in order. Cross
your Ts and dot your Is...especially in
places like Texas!
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That is Right Homer Posted: 02-27-08 19:45pm
Somehow, I think it is the mother in these
cases who feels that she is not as loved
as the man you fall in love with. That
competition thing. Then the need to hurt
and get even with the only way they know
how to. Property, money, the final
seperation of the earthly goods.
But, doesn't it say when you marry, you
leave your father and your mother and now
belong to your spouse? Who is to say that
we have to be so ignorant and on the other
hand rightous, that we can possibly even
begin to understand what that means? I
know, it tells me, you have your life in
front of you, if you find love, it is time
to leave your parent's home. It is now
your life.
And a spouse? A partner in marriage.
Plain and simple. It is time to recognize
same sex unions between partners who have
made the commitment to be together.
Let all the other judgemental people go to
bed tonight angry, uptight and without a
clue to what love and commitment mean to
people other than themselves in their
closed little world. Every single other
person on this planet has the same rights
to find love and happiness.