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yodavater
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Posted: 02-29-08 16:08pm
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| sistersister
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the difference between the two side is
that one uses facts and the law and the
other uses emotion and
mythology. |
Wow..... can I quote you on that?
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-29-08 16:12pm
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| Reptar
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Hmm, let's see. I'll take my dictionary
like your other pro-choice friend and
search up holocaust.
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Good, glad to see you making use of
dictionaries. Here's the one that the
Genocide Awareness Project's name is based
on:
genocide: "The deliberate and systematic
destruction of a national, racial,
religious, political, cultural, ethnic, or
other group defined by the exterminators
as undesirable" (Webster's New World
Encyclopedia, Prentice Hall General
Reference, 1992).
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-29-08 16:18pm
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| amino65
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I was just using your sentence to try to
understand why dolphin will not empathize
with women who might be less than happy
about an unwanted
pregnancy. |
Empathy is also relative. Personally, I
have more empathy for the victim of
violence than for the perpetrator, but
apparently you do not.
Here's an interesting op-ed piece on the
"Compassion Deficit Syndrome" that might
shed a little light on how we view empathy
and compassion:
Compassion Deficit Syndrome
Identified as Factor in Death of Millions
By Kathy Ratkiewicz
People who suffer from the disorder known
as “compassion deficit syndrome”(CDS),
which affects a great many individuals in
our society, and has been a decisive
factor in the death of millions, tend to
have jaded world-views.
Instead of seeing children with Down
syndrome as beautiful little people with
almond-shaped eyes and winning smiles,
they see “things” who “suffer from
mental retardation” and are
“deformed.” Instead of seeing
children, they see “choices”; instead
of recognizing the humanity of people with
disabilities, they tend to see them as
“burdens” to be thrown off at all
costs.
Unlike other syndromes, those who suffer
from CDS are not born with the syndrome
fully intact; it develops gradually. There
are no generalized physical
characteristics, but they do share common
mental characteristics: over time their
brains apparently malfunction to the
extent that they believe that the best way
to deal with people with other types of
“handicaps” is to kill them. A
striking characteristic of the syndrome is
that those afflicted by it do not
recognize the fact that they are, in fact,
more disabled than the people they deem
unworthy of life.
full article: http://prenatalpartnersforlife.
org/TouchingOurHearts/CompassionDeficit.ht
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-29-08 16:23pm
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| Reptar
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I believe someone should not be made to
suffer and if abortion will stop suffering
from occuring, then so be it.
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So you solution to "suffering" is to kill
the victims? Why not change the law so
you can kill them after they're born then,
if they are "suffering"?
| Reptar
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It's the anti-abortion causes that's so
subjectively
WRONG. |
"Subjectively" wrong? Okay......... if
you say so.......
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-29-08 16:25pm
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| poopoopoo
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I shudder at the idea of pregnancy and
can't stand being around babies and young
children. |
Okay... that explains your support of
abortion, then.
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-29-08 16:31pm
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| ClaudiaClaudia
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Banning abortion will not stop it, it will
just kill fetuses AND injure or kill women
on a significant scale.
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Probably true. But then, making homicide
illegal did not stop it either, did it? As
far as the "scale" goes, I don't think you
can come up with any documented sources on
that.
Furthermore, prolifers do not do abortion,
either legal or illegal, so we are not the
ones who will be "killing women". What
you're saying then, is that if abortion is
made illegal, your side will be killing a
lot more women. We'd rather no one was
killed, but I take it we couldn't count on
you to help us achieve that goal in the
event that abortion became illegal again?
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-29-08 16:32pm
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| ClaudiaClaudia
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Life has always been cheap.
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And that makes it right to treat life
cheaply now?
| ClaudiaClaudia
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It is more 'expensive' now than it ever
has been. We've never, ever had so many
rights as we do today.
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Tell that to the baby that's just been
aborted.
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yodavater
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Posted: 02-29-08 16:37pm
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| Reptar
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Maybe you should read almost every single
post done by yodavater before you start
accusing pro-choicers of being the only
ones who engage in technicality.
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Yeah! Let's get that yodavater guy!! Hey
wait, that's me.......
| Reptar
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He counter argues almost every post with
dictionary definitions, so now it's time
to use those same methods.
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I just LOVE it!! 
| Reptar
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The fetus doesn't feel a damn thing so I
could care less what they
use.. |
Hey, there's a plan.... let's just
anesthetize people before we kill them,
and then it'll be morally okay.... right?
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Posted: 03-01-08 10:03am
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| yodavater
wrote: | | sistersister
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the difference between the two side is
that one uses facts and the law and the
other uses emotion and
mythology. |
Wow..... can I quote you on
that? |
I have been to sites posted by pro-choice
people in this fourm and the sites where
pro-choice sites=bias. And post with out
giving the source for their information.
That sure doesn't make it fact!
So I guess not all pro-choice people use
just facts..
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Posted: 03-01-08 12:40pm
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| amino65
wrote: | | you honestly can't
acknowledge and empathize with her that it
is a difficult situation? That she may
not want to be pregnant because of these
things (keeping in mind that this
hypothetical woman is keeping it against
her will)? |
Most opponents of abortion rights confine
their empathy to zygotes, embryos, and
fetuses.
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Posted: 03-01-08 21:07pm
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So now we've got a prolife advocate who
blatantly denies caring about women
(dolphinocean) and one who takes pictures
of women entering abortion clinics and
posting them online (yodavater).
"Mental dysfunction", indeed. 
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Posted: 03-02-08 01:49am
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Snug- It looks that way, doesn't it. How
sad.
Birch- indeed 
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Posted: 03-02-08 10:09am
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| Birch
wrote: | So now we've got a prolife
advocate who blatantly denies caring about
women (dolphinocean) and one who takes
pictures of women entering abortion
clinics and posting them online
(yodavater).
"Mental dysfunction", indeed. |
is that true yoda?
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Posted: 03-02-08 11:05am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | So now we've got a prolife
advocate who blatantly denies caring about
women (dolphinocean) and one who takes
pictures of women entering abortion
clinics and posting them online
(yodavater).
"Mental dysfunction", indeed. |
is that true
yoda? |
Of course it's true. He's the creepy guy
with the camera at the Concord Street
clinic in Knoxville. Also apparently an
admirer of Neal Horsley's work in the area
of creepy clinic stalkers. You know, the
same Neal Horsley that can't find anyone
to host his site encouraging lunatics to
kill doctors.
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Posted: 03-02-08 11:34am
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I sent NA the links b/c I wasn't sure if
we could post them publically or not.
I'll send them to anyone else who is
interested.
Just a disclaimer-I recognize that
yodavater is an extremist and does not
represent all prolife advocates.
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Posted: 03-02-08 12:18pm
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| Birch
wrote: | I sent NA the links b/c I
wasn't sure if we could post them
publically or not. I'll send them to
anyone else who is interested.
Just a disclaimer-I recognize that
yodavater is an extremist and does not
represent all prolife
advocates. |
Omg yoda I just read your posts on the
prolife america website and it's true
about the camera  .
How can you do such a thing?? That's
horrible invasion of privacy and it is NOT
the way to save babies!! What a huge
dissapointment yoda.
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Posted: 03-02-08 13:40pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | I sent NA the links b/c I
wasn't sure if we could post them
publically or not. I'll send them to
anyone else who is interested.
Just a disclaimer-I recognize that
yodavater is an extremist and does not
represent all prolife
advocates. |
Omg yoda I just read your posts on the
prolife america website and it's true
about the camera .
How can you do such a thing?? That's
horrible invasion of privacy and it is NOT
the way to save babies!! What a huge
dissapointment
yoda. |
That site is full of extremists. They
even had Robert Ferguson posting there for
a while. Fortunately, that particular
fruit-bat cannot encourage the
doctor-shooters and the clinic-bombers any
more, as he's no longer amongst the
quick.
Actually, though, I am glad these people
are so public about their sleazy tactics
(and their support of criminal tactics).
That way I know just where to point the
pro-lifers who are in denial about what
the extremists on "their side" are up to.
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Posted: 03-02-08 14:30pm
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Its so unfortunate that people can not get
this point across without going to
extremes and it make others look bad..
I’m embarrassed that yoda would do such
a thing along with other pro-lifers that
seem to be so radical about their beliefs.
It’s a sorry way to get you feelings
known.
I never have been in denial. I know there
are some people that think they have to
get their point across and use methods
uncalled for.
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Posted: 03-02-08 15:43pm
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"As a woman steps out of the Hope Clinic,
Bill Gover implores her, "When you're
crying at night, don't turn to the booze
or the drugs. Turn to Jesus Christ." The
Illinois center provides abortions, and
Gover is one of many protesters who come
out every Saturday morning to demonstrate
against the facility. He carries a large
green and white "Jesus" sign and follows
patients as they walk from their cars to
the door of the clinic.
[snip]
"I often see patients bawling because
they've been so brutalized by protesters,"
she told new volunteers at a recent
training session.
[snip]
At volunteer training, escorts are
repeatedly told not to speak to or even
look at the demonstrators. They are also
warned not to use each others' names at
the clinics. Widzer and Diedermann agree
that demonstrators will constantly goad an
escort whose name they know.
http://media.www.studlife.com/media/stora
ge/paper337/news/2008/02/29/Scene/ProChoic
e.ProLife-3244494.shtml
That is just DISGUSTING.
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