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Teen mothers HS drop outs 1% chance getting a job Posted: 02-27-08 09:51am


"Does being a teenage parent automatically mean that you will be poor? No, but reports indicate that the median income of noncustodial fathers (fathers who do not live with their child but must pay child support) is below the poverty line. Teenage mothers who drop out of school have only a 1 percent chance of getting a job. This means that they will have to struggle with the difficulties that arise from living on welfare. Teenage fathers seldom earn as much money as men who become fathers in their twenties." source: Teen Health and Wellness Family Life \| Sexuality and Sexual Health Financial Challenges for Teen Parents

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Posted: 02-27-08 20:12pm


There is something very odd going on with that link. Gracious, 1%. Sucks so bad.

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Posted: 02-27-08 20:27pm


Doesn't surprise me. Very few places will hire you without a high school education, and the few places that will hire a dropout will not let them take the day off at a moment's notice to run home and wipe Junior's nose or pick up Snookums from girl scouts. Then again, I wouldn't want some retarded teen parent working anywhere serious, like in an office or anywhere near anything above fast food or a gas station. If they're dumb enough to keep a pregnancy and drop out, then they're probably too dumb to handle a real job anyway. it's too bad we couldn't just pack up all the dropout teen parents in a boat and send them to some totally remote island so they'd be out of everyone's hair, no longer leeching off the government teat (and taking money away from people who genuinely need it for things happening out of their control). Then we could nuke the island - most likely, no one would miss the lazy worthless little harlots. But, like most teen parents, they feel they are entitled to taxpayer dollars for doing the most important job in the world (yep, yay for having unprotected sex). This is why I so seriously think it would be beneficial to shame the living hell out of pregnant teen girls, rather than fawning all over them and worshipping them - like most teens, they are incapable of thinking more than five minutes into the future and can't see how they will be royally screwing up their lives by spawning.

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Posted: 02-27-08 20:40pm


Futureshock it seems that most of your posts are negative posts to do with teen pregnancy? This is just an observation but I'm guessing theres a reason for it? And Cambion why do you have such strong feelings about teen pregnancy? Do you truly believe all teen mothers should be put on an island and nuked? Just because one persons values are different from your own doesnt make them dumb and retarded - This is in response to "I wouldn't want some retarded teen parent working anywhere serious" and "they're probably too dumb to handle a real job anyway."

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Posted: 02-27-08 22:54pm


Cambion doesn't like anyone. Maybe she had a hard time in high school or something.

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Posted: 02-29-08 14:01pm

lats wrote:

Futureshock it seems that most of your posts are negative posts to do with teen pregnancy? This is just an observation but I'm guessing theres a reason for it?

I think many teens (kids who are still in school, not adults who are eighteen) choose to become parents because they are unrealistic and naive. That is why I try to post as much factual information as possible, so teens will be encouraged to wait until they are older and have more emotional and financial stability in their lives before they have children.

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Posted: 04-07-08 00:08am


Well if any of you people actually did your homework you would know that the majority of teenage pregnancies are the result of statutory rape. Go to wikipedia and look at the stats. I think putting these girls who have already been taken advantage of through the second victimization of being stigmatized as "irresponsible hoes" is horrible. Not to mention that most of these girls have histories of physical and sexual abuse. Is it really surprising that a girl who's boundaries are repeatedly violated ends up being easy prey for a manipulative older man. Teenage pregnancy says more about us than it does about them. Why aren't we protecting these girls? Why aren't we seeking out and incarcerating the fathers?

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Posted: 04-07-08 08:03am


Wikipedia is not a useful source of information because anyone can make a page on that site and fill it with information that is or can be false. Plus, if that stat is true, they have the choice of keeping the baby and of reporting the rapist to police. Why aren't we protecting these girls? Simple. Teens at this day and age, feel invincible. They don't want to listen to what their parents are saying, and want to experience things for themselves. Parents want to watch out for them, tell them to be careful or be home at a certain time, and when gived all this, they dont want it. They brush it away, and take on the world themselves. Parents try, but kids refuse the help or knowledge given to them.

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Posted: 04-07-08 09:02am


statutory rape is not the same thing as rape, it could be there boyfriends who get them pregnant, all they have to be is over 18 while the ggirl are under adn if they become pregnant, anyone can say something and boom the boyfriend is in jail. plus, like krystine said anyone can type anything and edit differetn wikipedia posts. they might think they are ready to become a parent and actually are not, but some 30 year olds who think they are ready are not, its not just about 17 or18 year olds there. and at least they are trying to find a job instead of sitting around all day and taking the governmnts money, like so many other people do. it is hard enough for high school kids to find jobs in this day and age, add a kid to that and they really wont find one although it sad because tehy just want to support their children, like everyone else...

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Posted: 04-07-08 11:06am

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Teenage pregnancy says more about us than it does about them. Why aren't we protecting these girls? Why aren't we seeking out and incarcerating the fathers?

What is incarcerating the fathers going to solve? The girl is pregnant. Too late.

Get the guy court ordered to pay.

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Posted: 04-07-08 11:30am


And child support.

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Posted: 04-07-08 12:04pm


plus, any girl who i knew that became pregnant in high school is either still with the dad or they get along and both support the child (i know it s not always liek that though) but locking up the dad will solve nothing. it takes two people to become pregnant, its not always the guys fault

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Posted: 04-07-08 17:41pm


exactaly. Plus there's a statistic that says...i think it was 10% or a little more PLAN pregnancies, so hey, they can't all be solely the guys fault, because he's just an innocent person if you think about it. He's mst likely thinking his girl is on BC or something, then BOOM! hes a father, any guy would freak, and this time its the girls fault, and the only reason why she did this, is so he will "stay with her forever" when in the long run, some guys end up leaving them. Plus, these days kids have no idea about the risks on sex, how they should go about protection, but STILL engage in sex, and then ask questions LATER!

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Posted: 04-07-08 17:48pm


There needs to be better sex ed in school, at my school in parenting class we weren't even allowed to use the dolls that cry and teach you what it is really like, just because they were associated with planned parenthood.

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Posted: 04-07-08 20:32pm

Variable wrote:

Well if any of you people actually did your homework you would know that the majority of teenage pregnancies are the result of statutory rape. Go to wikipedia and look at the stats. I think putting these girls who have already been taken advantage of through the second victimization of being stigmatized as "irresponsible hoes" is horrible.

Statutory rape in MOST cases means "Ohs!! I wants to has sex, but am not legal, so I'll just do it anyway". Therefore, the stigma is rightfully earned. But, let me say that I think no girl should be considered irresponsible if she is raped, or should a girl who takes precautions and still becomes pregnant. I'm talking about the lot of girls who are out there having unprotected sex and wind up pregnant. And yeah, it's easy to get that stat given the number of states with 18/17 as an age of consent. Anyone having sex under that age is being "raped" from their point of view. The majority of teenage pregnancies are the result of two consenting teens.

And lats, about Cambion's post, I'm pretty sure she was referring to any teenage girl who gets pregnant and drops out of school. Not just any teenage girl who gets pregnant, they still have the option of continuing education.

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Posted: 04-08-08 21:40pm


Posted: 04-07-08 20:32pm ------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- "Statutory rape in MOST cases means "Ohs!! I wants to has sex, but am not legal, so I'll just do it anyway". Therefore, the stigma is rightfully earned. But, let me say that I think no girl should be considered irresponsible if she is raped, or should a girl who takes precautions and still becomes pregnant." Really. Gee, what you say makes perfect sense. We as a society agree that a 15 year old girl is to incompetent to vote, drive, own property, drink, or basically do anything other than go to school. Yet, all the sudden she supposed to magically become an "adult" and "know better" when a 25 year old man tries seducing her by playing daddy. Uh, ya. The 25 year old is obviously going after little girls rather than women his own age because he knows they are easier to control and decieve. Once he knocks her up he's never going to pay child support regardless, so our best bet is to lock him up before he goes on the rampage again. But of course, "he's just the victim of an fool teenage girl that somehow is also smart enough to seduce HIM, get HIM to not use a condom, and intentionally get a baby". Ya, right. Typical blame the victim thinking. Has anyone on this forum ever actually talked to a teenage mother other than seeing one walking down the street. I have. And everything said above is completely bogus. Very few get pregnant on purpose, very few are "sluts", and very few are trying to milk the government. They are usually in committed relationships when they become pregnant and they have know idea what government benefits really even are. What I would say they all have in common is "ignorance". In our purantanical "abstinence-only" education system they get their information primarily from their peers since all the "adults" will chant is," no sex, no sex, no sex". They get misinformation are simply don't understand how easy it is to get pregnant, and then we are suprised when they do. Well, they are gonna have sex. They are biologically designed to do so. And any time humans take on human nature, NATURE WINS. I myself didn't know what planned parenthood was until I was 18 years old.

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Posted: 04-08-08 21:50pm


you make it sound like it is not the girl's fault at all, at 15 she has to know what a condom is and how to use it and not get pregnant. I menan there are instructions on the box of condoms and commercials all over the tv!And she should know better, if her parents talk to her and teach her right from wrong. I was having sex at 14 and I never became pregnant because my parents tought me better than that....

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Posted: 04-08-08 21:59pm


Hey, these girls have a brain, they choose to either go ahead with it, or say no and talk to someone about what they were asked or almost did. But not many girls do that right away. Why? Because its someone older, someone mature in their eyes, and someone who they feel/think can give them the world. So its not ONLY the guys fault. The 15 year old girl has fully developed a brain and can decide what is right or wrong, but choses to ignore whats wrong, THEN when she becomes pregnant, decides to possibly stress the truth of what happened, because everyone knows, that a police officer and station, will believe a 15 yr old girls story rather than a 25 yr old 'pervert'. How would you know he would not pay child support? He could want to be inthe childs life, not every guy at 25 is a perv or fascinated by young girls. Hell that would mean that the guys in highschool aged 17-19yrs of age, are pervs too if their dating a 14yr old gr.9. Why would the best thing to do be lock him up? Now that teen has to do it all on her own. Why should he get off free of any parental responsibility? And, most [of course not all sadly] girls know that to aviod pregnancy use the pill or a condom, so hey! another thing she could have said since she went along inthw whole act. And 10% are PLANNED, thats not all, but its a big amount if you do the math, the others are unplanned, and hate to say it, but most use Welfare to raise their child rather than get a job. The more children you have, the more elfare money you recieve. THeir usually in committed relationships,hey heres another fact, majority of the guys in those "committed relationships" DENY that the baby is theres, leave the teen mother or dont see or pay child support. Anyone who has been in school know what govornment benefits are, or have heard it in school from others OR from the ir parents HELLO!? Yet school systems arent going to do anything about this. 1-teaching safe sex is not "christian-like" in catholic schools 2- i dont think they even teach safe sex in public schools because of how parents feel about schools teaching that sex is ok, as long as you use protection. 3- kids today think they KNOW EVERYTHING, and dont listen to parents because every kid at some point had the sex talk and brushed it under the rug, so why the hell would they listen to it in schools!? 4-yeah their gonna do it anyways, or think they know exactaly what it takes to have a baby. So in the end, some get pregnant, few couples stay together, some are indeed planned, and some are too lazy to get off their butts and get a job, so its easier to go to the welfare building and say 'im a teen who is pregnant and living on my own, i need financial assistance.'

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Posted: 04-08-08 22:37pm


Many girls here are teenage mothers. Krystine is going to be one herself (she's actually an adult, but still eight-TEEN) so yeah, we've talked to lots of teen mothers, especially those of us who frequent the teen pregnancy forum. Which I noticed you haven't. You're the one who's misinformed. I WAS the 14 year old who was seduced by a 21 year old, but I had the brains to say no. It doesn't take an adult to say no to unprotected sex. I know because I was in that position and I did say no, and was no where near being an adult. I also had the brains to use condoms when I did start having sex at 16. Great work at trying to get us all to believe that teenage girls don't know what a condom is. I think you'll be hard pressed to get anyone else to believe that. Your argument may work for children who are educated in "abstinence only", however, Canada is not governed like that. And we don't all live in America. Every public school has sex ed in Cananda in which they STRESS protected sex and begin giving out condoms by grade 8. And yet, we still see teenagers get pregnant here. But once again you show how you refuse to look at any other country than your own. In Canada, we begin driving at 15 and a half. The legal age of consent is 14. FOURTEEN. That's the age we've agreed on as a country that teenage girls are generally intelligent enough to make that decision. And another thing, what makes you think that every teenage pregnancy is caused by some 25 year old? More than a majority of sexually active teens do it with someone in their age bracket. Oh, and where'd you get your nice little quote about us blaming the alleged 25 year old male? I don't think anyone who take his side specifically, unless he were forcibly raped. Nice try though, the majority of us just don't believe that most teenage girls are the innocent morons you portray them to be.

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Posted: 04-08-08 22:54pm


"The 15 year old girl has fully developed a brain and can decide what is right or wrong, but choses to ignore whats wrong," In addition to barely knowing anything about teenage pregnancy or how to spell, you also obviously don't know anything about basic neuroscience either. A 15 year old does not have "a fully developed" brain. The brain, especially the parts involved in long-term planning (the frontal cortex) isn't done developing until the twenties. A 15 year old is a child. Period. Adults are supposed to protect children. I know he won't pay child support because I've read the numbers. Not only will he not pay child support he will probably not even be involved in the child's life. Even if he wanted to be he shouldn't be allowed around children because he's a sex offender and belongs in jail. As for government benefits, do you really think teenage girls in high school are tallying up how much money the can get if they get pregnant. Do you even know how much a 2 person family on welfare gets? I do. It's a measly 400-500 dollars a month. Which is supposed to cover rent, electricity, gas, clothing ect, ect. No, I don't think teenage girls purposely destroy their lives so they can get the exact amount of money they can get working part-time at the mall.