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samie
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Next Time You
Posted: 05-07-04 22:54pm
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Next time you see a baby in a push chair
on in her mothers arms - picture it torn
limb from limb and ask yourself if anyone
has the right to do that
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JanetBee
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samie
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Posted: 05-07-04 23:01pm
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Am i, am I really or is it you that is
sick or is it the law that is sick
if you cant even imagine that what possble
impotance do you have to this debate - so
shallow
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JanetBee
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Posted: 05-07-04 23:57pm
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You are completely incapable of
understanding how a woman feels and how
many different reasons there are, to
compare a small bundle of indistrinct
cells to a baby in a pram is insane, next
time you see a graveyard think of a woman
with a coathanger shoved inside her.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 05-08-04 01:01am
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It's the standard anti-abortion argument,
to try to equate an unwanted, nonviable
fetus with something cute and giggly, when
it is nothing of the sort. It simply
demonstrates the weakness of the argument
-- it is trying to introduce a level of
emotion that is impossible in relation to
an embryo.
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insurancegirl
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Posted: 05-08-04 01:40am
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If the fetus is unwanted, then it
shouldn't be there! Keep your legs
closed and we won't have to worry about
anyone aborting a baby! A baby is a baby
from the time it is conceived. And
whether you want to beleive it or not, it
has a soul! Anyone that would have an
abortion is the sick one!
~jennifer~
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2ferano
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Posted: 05-08-04 04:53am
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Ideally there would not be unwanted
pregnancies but we don't live in a perfect
world.
I am sure that a rape or molestation
victim would have rather "kept her legs
closed" but there was nothing that she
could do. And if she wants to have an
abortion then I feel she has every right
to do so.
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insurancegirl
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Posted: 05-08-04 04:56am
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Listen, I know horrible things happen, and
for that I am sorry. But I still do not
believe that any one of us has the right
to play god. Regardless, that baby
deserves a chance at life. If god felt
it was going to be too hard, he would take
care of it. Stop playing god, and let
life go on!
~jennifer~
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2ferano
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Posted: 05-08-04 04:59am
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I understand and respect your opinions.
I honestly cannot say what I would not if
I was in a situation like the above
mentioned. Or any other one where
abortion was an option, and even seems
like the best one.
But in my opinion, it is the woman's
choice. I mean, it is her body, her
life, and if she was raped, why should she
have to carry a child that she didn't ask
for. She didn't try for, and couldn't
avoid. I just personally think that
choice should be hers.
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jessechaseme
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Posted: 05-08-04 06:28am
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You talk about playing god, but what if
someone doesn't believe in god. Then what
are you playing?
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bellax0femmina
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Posted: 05-08-04 08:40am
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Good point jesse. Religion doesnt work
well in all aspects of the pro-life
argument. But im with sami on the
original post
<3
gaby
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zilbucks
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Posted: 05-08-04 12:37pm
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You would really think that sami might be
even just a little understanding of why
women have abortions, given she did have
one. Samie before you judge women who
have abortions- think of why you did it,
what you were thinking, why you felt so
compelled not to read the risks involoved
before signing before you made your
decision- its probably because you took it
too lightly, thats why we want to make
sure people know the consequences- so they
dont end up like you with enormous regret
from being ignorant not to know what they
are getting themselves into. And thats a
horrbile frign picture to put in someones
head- about the baby- way to help out
someone who has a tough decision to make
make me upchuck
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jessechaseme
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samie
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Posted: 05-10-04 17:41pm
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For goodness sake I dont have to condone
abortion to be classified as a non
judgementle - I dont judge women
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insurancegirl
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Posted: 05-11-04 00:00am
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Religion or not, it's just plain wrong!
As listed above, it's just the same.
Would you health question your 1 day old
in the hospital!?!
~jennifer~
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JanetBee
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Posted: 05-11-04 01:24am
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"it's just plain wrong" isnt much of a
debating point is it? According to you
its wrong, so that means you dont have to
have an abortion if you every find
yourself raped or carrying a deformed
fetus or whatever horrible situation.
Lucky you. But in my opnion it is *wrong*
to force a woman to be pregnant if she
doesnt want to be.
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theoryofthought
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Posted: 05-11-04 07:04am
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I am pro-choice for others, but not for
myself. When I was pregnant with my 2nd
child, I had a 1 out of 420 chance that
she would be born with down syndrome. I
was 18 years old, had just been married
and I guess the blunt way of putting this
would be that the “easiest” thing would
have been for me to have an abortion and
have done away with the risk of her having
it. But I didn’t, I already loved her. I
worried constantly that she would be born
with this debilitating ailment and that I
was going to have to watch her live with
it. But when my daughter was born in feb
of 2001, she was completely normal,
nothing was wrong with her and to this day
she is still very normal and way above
average. There is always room for error
in technological readings of an unborn
child and just because you are given a
chance that something could be wrong,
there is no need to “do away” with the
child. This is why I say, I would
personally never have an abortion, that is
not to say that I am against others having
them. I don’t like the fact that they do,
but I make sure that people know that
nothing their doctors’ tell them is 100%
and so that they should consider that fact
when the doctor tells them that their
child will be mentally retarded or a
vegetable their whole life.
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purple333
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Posted: 05-11-04 09:58am
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I am pro-choice which includes the right
to choose to have a child regardless of
what you know or think may be the problems
(with it, with you emotionally,
financially, whatever) but just as
theoryofthought made her decision, so I
made mine, my 5th pregnancy was a son but
he was trisome 18 & those babies
usually self abort before you even know
you're pregnant which perhaps explained my
4 miscarriages, I could have continued
with the pregnacy for another feew months
until he died but the thought of carrying
a child knowing he would die before birth
was something I couldn't bare &
although I love him & pray for him (i
also know he's with god) I would make the
same decision again in a second.
Deciding (or being forced - which does
happen regardless of what some
narrowminded people choose to think- which
I am totally opposed to, having said that
I did just think of a situation where as a
mother I can see myself "forcing" my
daughter to have an abortion - if my
daughter were severely retarded &
unable to ever care for a child - pregnant
perhaps through rape - then maybe??) to
have an abortion is not easy in any way
but it is every woman's right to be able
to choose.
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theoryofthought
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Posted: 05-11-04 12:34pm
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Purple- you made a decision that was
fitting for you and that child’s life, not
to mention your sanity. Previous to my
second child(extreme chance of d/s), I had
only one previous pregnancy and that ended
in a healthy child, so I had reason to
hope for yet another. You, however had 4
miscarriages, which I am sure was
detrimental to your mind and body and
continuing with a pregnancy that you knew
was doomed to failure was only a mind game
to you and your hopes for a healthy child.
I admire you for your consistency in why
you chose what decision you made. It
shows that you had no doubts that you
couldn’t have carried that child to term,
and whether he had passed on later it
wouldn’t have made it any easier, but
rather that much harder on you because you
grew more attached and gained more hope.
My only hope is that you will soon be
blessed with a healthy child that you can
carry to term and share my love in
motherhood. Good luck
karlee
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purple333
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Posted: 05-11-04 17:11pm
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Karlee,
thank you so much for your kind thoughts,
I should have been more detailed - but I
try to keep my posts short & also this
is an emotional topic. I had 2
miscarriages, then a daughter who will be
16 next week & is at university
(college) then another miscarriage then
the son I aborted then I also miscarried
my sons twin. My son - my "wild thing" is
9 & a holy terror. I chose to stop at
that point as I could not have survived
(emotionally) losing another child. Both
my children are healthy, although I am
currently investigating some fears that my
son may be bipolar & both are of
extremely high intelligence.
I should also have added that had I been
told that my son had any sort of chance of
surviving or of being healthy (in the
broader sense of the word) I would have
made a different decision.
You are also so right when you say we must
be careful about taking a doctors word -
my daughter was diagnosed with anorexia
nervosa last year after major weight loss,
the drs just would not get it through
their thick fool heads that she was eating
- even when they decided to restrict her
food intake because they felt she was
eating too much 
- I took her out of hospital & she
basically searched the net &
self-diagnosed irritable bowel syndrome -
changed her diet & wow
did she regain the weight & fast.
Also here in australia there have recently
been reports of women being tolds that
they had miscarried (one even had a d
& c!!) & then finding that they
had not miscarried at all!!
It is always worth, getting a second
opinion, trusting your own instincts -
especially that, always trust your own
instincts, as a mother you often know(even
if you do not want to admit it!!) whether
something is wrong or not - be it with a
baby yet to be born or with your child.
I am thrilled that your little girl was
& is really fine - I assume your 1st
child is too - I certainly hope so - any
more on the drawing board??
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