Its Your Choice, Know Your Choices! Posted: 07-02-04 09:00am
I have decided to post this in a slight
hope it helps someone on this board come
to an informed choice.
Abortion as your option:
if you’re thinking about getting an
abortion you probably have a lot of
questions. Here are the questions most
frequently asked by women who are
considering abortion:
"what will the doctor do to me during my
abortion?"
during the early months of pregnancy, (1-3
mos.), suction abortions are usually
performed. The opening to your uterus
(cervix) is closed tight to hold the baby
in. The doctor must force your cervix
open with long metal rods. Another
method is to use a small stick of
compressed seaweed (laminaria). After it
is inserted into your cervix it absorbs
water, swells up, and opens the cervix.
The abortion is done 24 hours after the
laminaria is put in. When it is open
wide enough, he will put the end of the
suction tube through your cervix into your
uterus. As soon as the suction machine
is turned on, the baby will be torn from
your uterus along with the placenta and
sucked through the tube into a canister.
"will my abortion be painful?"
unless you are put to sleep for your
suction abortion, yes, it will be very
painful.
"is abortion dangerous to my health?"
any surgical procedure has its risks.
This is especially true of abortion. In
a paper put out by the family planning
associates medical group, a group of
abortion clinics in southern california,
the following risks are described:
"however, it is clear that even when the
surgeon is highly skilled and experienced
in the method of dilation and extraction
(abortion) that there is a risk of
perforation of the uterus by the various
instruments that are required.
There is the additional risk of laceration
of the uterus either by the instruments or
by the fetal tissue itself."
what this means is that the instruments
the doctor puts through you cervix into
your uterus can poke a hole through you
uterine wall. It also means that the
crushed bones of your baby can cut, slash
or puncture your uterus while being
removed.
Often times the doctor is not aware that
he has done this because he cannot see
into the uterus while he works. If this
should occur, you would bleed through the
hole into your abdominal cavity or vagina.
If you do not get to the hospital in
time you could die from loss of blood.
The paper goes on to say that
hospitalization is required if the uterus
is punctured. Damage to the bowel and
bladder, blood transfusions and even a
hysterectomy (removal of the uterus) can
result. The greatest risk involved in an
early abortion is when the doctor performs
and "incomplete abortion". The paper
explains it this way: "...
The most common problem encountered in
termination of early pregnancies is
infection and retained tissue (incomplete
abortion)." what this means is that parts
of the baby are left behind in your
uterus. As they rot, they cause a severe
infection that can cause permanent damage
to your female organs and you could become
sterile (unable to become pregnant) or
miscarry your next baby.
"is it really a baby or just ‘a blob of
tissue’?"
several years ago scientists did not know.
Now, however, with ultrasound and other
methods, they can actually "see" the
unborn baby inside of its mother’s womb.
It is a perfectly formed little human
being. Even though you feel nothing,
your baby is kicking, clenching his fists,
curling and fanning his toes, and is
generally very active and comfortable
inside of you.
"will my baby feel pain during the
abortion?"
in the past few years, research by medical
doctors has proved that yes, unborn babies
can feel pain. Dr. H. M. Liley,
the leading authority on the study of
babies before birth, stated, "when doctors
first began invading the sanctuary of the
womb, they did not know that the unborn
baby would react to pain in the same
fashion as a child would. But they soon
learned that he would."
during a suction abortion the whole baby
is too large to pass through the suction
tube. Wherever the suction tip comes in
contact with the baby’s body, that portion
is torn off and suctioned away. To
finish the procedure, the doctor uses
forceps to crush the baby’s skull so that
it too can pass through the narrow suction
tube.
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Testimonies Posted: 07-02-04 09:06am
Testimonies
many women in this country have suffered
both physically and emotionally from their
abortions. They will always regret their
decisions. Here, a few of them share
their experiences with you hoping you
won’t make the same mistake they did.
"the next five days were a living hell for
me as I contracted a gross infection
called peritonitis. My fever soared
rapidly and I remained in guarded
condition for four days. One of the
nurses said, ‘it’s going to take more than
prayer to pull this one out of it.’ at
that moment I knew I was on the verge of
death... The reason the infection had set
in was due to the fact that the
abortionist did not abort my entire baby
the first time around, making it necessary
to repeat the procedure."
cindy ortegus, phoenix, az
"when I returned home I had very heavy
bleeding and severe cramps for two days.
I was so afraid that something was wrong
that I called planned parenthood who
referred me for my abortion. The said I
was okay without suggestion an exam. At
my after-school job at a dime store, I
went into the restroom. It was then that
I found my baby on my sanitary pad. He
had arms and legs with tiny hands and
feet. I could make out his little nose
and dark spot that I now know was his eye.
Even after 10 years, it’s still hard for
me to think about it."
kathy bartlett, waco tx
"planned parenthood suggested only an
abortion. No other options were ever
discussed. They never said the word
‘baby’ – only ‘fetus’. You can’t imagine
my shock and horror when I saw my
dismembered baby after my ‘nice and easy’
abortion. They deceived me. I’ve
suffered severe emotional problems."
karen sullivan-ables, taylor, az
if you still feel abortion is your only
solution you need to know the answers to
the following questions. Be sure to ask
the clinic or hospital these questions.
It’s your body – your life – you have the
right to know.
1. Have people sued your chosen abortion
clinic because they have been injured by
an abortion?
2.Can you be permanently damaged by you
abortion?
3.Were any of the risks outlined in this
article mentioned to you when you asked
the above question? If not, ask why.
4.Will you be asked to sign a paper
releasing the doctor and clinic of all
responsibility in case you suffer physical
or emotional damage because of your
abortion?
5.If you sign a release form and then have
physical problems (as cindy did) will the
clinic or the doctor pay for medical costs
to repair the damage?
Do you have doubts? Do you wonder if you
are making the right decision? Are you
scared? Do you want to talk to someone
who cares and can help you?
National help lines
counseling
·bethany christian services: 1-800-bethany
(8am-12pm est, 7 days/week)
·several sources foundation:
1-800-662-2678 (early to late)
24 hour pregnancy hotlines
·national life center 1-800-848-love
· birthright: 1-800-550-4900
hotlines that refer to places for help
·birthright: 1-800-550-4900 (24 hour)
·catholic charities: 1-800-care-002
·carenet: 1-800-395-help
·the national crisis pregnancy helpline
1-800-521-5530 (24 hour)
·the nurturing network: 1-800-tnn-4mom
(m-f, 9-5)
adoption information
·bethany christian services: 1-800-bethany
(8am-12pm est, 7 days/week)
international hotlines
·birthright international 1-800-550-4900
(24 hour)
·national life center 1-800-848-love (24
hour)
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the After Effects of Abortion Posted: 07-02-04 09:16am
Abortion as a public health issue
in 1973, the united states supreme court
struck down every federal, state, and
local law regulating or restricting the
practice of abortion. This action was
based on the premise that the states no
longer had any need to regulate abortion
because the advances of modern medicine
had now made abortion "relatively safe."
therefore, the justices concluded, it is
unconstitutional to prevent physicians
from providing abortions as a "health"
service to women.
National abortion policy is built upon
this judicial "fact" that abortion is a
"safe" procedure. If this "fact" is found
to be false, then national policy toward
abortion must be re-evaluated. Indeed, if
it is found that abortion may actually be
dangerous to health of women, there is
just cause for governments to regulate or
prohibit abortion in order to protect
their citizens. This is especially true
since over 1.5 million women undergo
abortions each year.
Since the court's ruling in 1973, there
have been many studies into the
aftereffects of abortion. Their combined
results paint a haunting picture of
physical and psychological damage among
millions of women who have undergone
abortions.
The physical complications of abortion
national statistics on abortion show that
10% of women undergoing induced abortion
suffer from immediate complications, of
which one-fifth (20%) were considered
major.
Over one hundred potential complications
have been associated with induced
abortion. "minor" complications include:
minor infections, bleeding, fevers,
chronic abdominal pain, gastro-intestinal
disturbances, vomiting, and rh
sensitization. The nine most common
"major" complications are infection,
excessive bleeding, embolism, ripping or
perforation of the uterus, anesthesia
complications, convulsions, hemorrhage,
cervical injury, and endotoxic shock.
In a series of 1,182 abortions which
occurred under closely regulated hospital
conditions, 27 percent of the patients
acquired post-abortion infection lasting 3
days or longer.
While the immediate complications of
abortion are usually treatable, these
complications frequently lead to long-term
reproductive damage of much more serious
nature.
For example, one possible outcome of
abortion related infections is sterility.
Researchers have reported that 3 to 5
percent of aborted women are left
inadvertently sterile as a result of the
operation's latent morbidity.
The risk of sterility is even greater for
women who are infected with a venereal
disease at the time of the abortion.
In addition to the risk of sterility,
women who acquire post-abortal infections
are five to eight times more likely to
experience ectopic pregnancies.
Between 1970-1983, the rate of ectopic
pregnancies in usa has risen 4 fold.
Twelve percent of all maternal deaths due
to ectopic pregnancy.
Other countries which have legalized
abortion have seen the same dramatic
increase in ectopic pregnancies.
Cervical damage is another leading cause
of long term complications following
abortion. Normally the cervix is rigid
and tightly closed. In order to perform
an abortion, the cervix must be stretched
open with a great deal of force.
During this forced dilation there is
almost always caused microscopic tearing
of the cervix muscles and occasionally
severe ripping of the uterine wall, as
well.
According to one hospital study, 12.5% of
first trimester abortions required
stitching for cervical lacerations. Such
attention to detail is not normally
provided at an outpatient abortion clinic.
Another study found that lacerations
occurred in 22 percent of aborted women.
Women under 17 have been found to face
twice the normal risk of suffering
cervical damage due to the fact that their
cervixes are still "green" and
developing.
Whether microscopic or macroscopic in
nature, the cervical damage which results
during abortion frequently results in a
permanent weakening of the cervix. This
weakening may result in an "incompetent
cervix" which, unable to carry the weight
of a later "wanted" pregnancy, opens
prematurely, resulting in miscarriage or
premature birth.
According to one study, symptoms related
to cervical incompetence were found among
75% of women who undergo forced dilation
for abortion.
Cervical damage from previously induced
abortions increases the risk of
miscarriage, premature birth, and
complications of labor during later
pregnancies by 300 - 500 percent.
The reproductive risks of abortion are
especially acute for women who abort their
first pregnancies. A major study of first
pregnancy abortions found that 48% of
women experienced abortion-related
complications in later pregnancies.
Women in this group experienced 2.3
miscarriages for every one live birth.
Yet another researcher found that among
teenagers who aborted their first
pregnancies, 66% subsequently experienced
miscarriages or premature birth of their
second, "wanted" pregnancies.
When the risks of increased pregnancy loss
are projected on the population as a
whole, it is estimated that aborted women
lose 100,000 "wanted" pregnancies each
year because of latent abortion morbidity.
In addition, premature births,
complications of labor, and abnormal
development of the placenta, all of which
can result from latent abortion morbidity,
are leading causes of handicaps among
newborns.
Looking at premature deliveries alone, it
is estimated that latent abortion
morbidity results in 3000 cases of
acquired cerebral palsy among newborns
each year.
Finally, since these pregnancy problems
pose a threat to the health of the mothers
too, women who have had abortions face a
58 percent greater risk of dying during a
later pregnancy.
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the Psychological Effects of Abortion Posted: 07-02-04 09:27am
Researchers investigating post-abortion
reactions report only one positive
emotion: relief. This emotion is
understandable, especially in light of the
fact that the majority of aborting women
report feeling under intense pressure to
"get it over with."
temporary feelings of relief are
frequently followed by a period
psychiatrists identify as emotional
"paralysis," or post-abortion "numbness."
like shell-shocked soldiers, these aborted
women are unable to express or even feel
their own emotions.
Their focus is primarily on having
survived the ordeal, and they are at least
temporarily out of touch with their
feelings.
Studies within the first few weeks after
the abortion have found that between 40
and 60 percent of women questioned report
negative reactions.
Within 8 weeks after their abortions, 55%
expressed guilt, 44% complained of nervous
disorders, 36% had experienced sleep
disturbances, 31% had regrets about their
decision, and 11% had been prescribed
psychotropic medicine by their family
doctor.
In one study of 500 aborted women,
researchers found that 50 percent
expressed negative feelings, and up to 10
percent were classified as having
developed "serious psychiatric
complications."
thirty to fifty percent of aborted women
report experiencing sexual dysfunctions,
of both short and long duration, beginning
immediately after their abortions.
These problems may include one or more of
the following:
loss of pleasure from intercourse,
increased pain, an aversion to sex and/or
males in general, or the development of a
promiscuous life-style.
Up to 33 percent of aborted women develop
an intense longing to become pregnant
again in order to "make up" for the lost
pregnancy, with 18 percent succeeding
within one year of the abortion.
Unfortunately, many women who succeed at
obtaining their "wanted" replacement
pregnancies discover that the same
problems which pressured them into having
their first abortion still exist, and so
they end up feeling "forced" into yet
another abortion.
In a study of teenage abortion patients,
half suffered a worsening of psychosocial
functioning within 7 months after the
abortion. The immediate impact appeared
to be greatest on the patients who were
under 17 years of age and for those with
previous psychosocial problems.
Symptoms included:
self-reproach, depression, social
regression, withdrawal, obsession with
need to become pregnant again, and hasty
marriages.
The best available data indicates that on
average there is a five to ten year period
of denial during which a woman who was
traumatized by her abortion will repress
her feelings.
During this time, the woman may go to
great lengths to avoid people, situations,
or events which she associates with her
abortion and she may even become *vocally
defensive of abortion in order to convince
others, and herself*(maybe some on this
board), that she made the right choice and
is satisfied with the outcome.
In reality, these women who are
subsequently identified as having been
severely traumatized, have failed to reach
a true state of "closure" with regard to
their experiences.
Repressed feelings of any sort can result
in psychological and behavioral
difficulties which exhibit themselves in
other areas of one's life. An increasing
number of counselors are reporting that
unacknowledged post-abortion distress is
the causative factor in many of their
female patients, even though their
patients have come to them seeking therapy
for seemingly unrelated problems.
Other women who would otherwise appear to
have been satisfied with their abortion
experience, are reported to enter into
emotional crisis decades later with the
onset of menopause or after their youngest
child leaves home.
Numerous researchers have reported that
postabortion crises are often precipitated
by the anniversary date of the abortion or
the unachieved "due date." these emotional
crises may appear to be inexplicable and
short-lived, occurring for many years
until a connection is finally established
during counseling sessions.
A 5 year retrospective study in two
canadian provinces found that 25% of
aborted women made visits to psychiatrists
as compared to 3% of the control group.
Women who have undergone post-abortion
counseling report over 100 major reactions
to abortion. Among the most frequently
reported are:
depression, loss of self-esteem,
self-destructive behavior, sleep
disorders,
memory loss, sexual dysfunction, chronic
problems with relationships, dramatic
personality changes, anxiety attacks,
guilt and remorse,
loss of interest in previously enjoyed
activities and people, and difficulty
bonding with later children.
Among the most worrisome of these
reactions is the increase of
self-destructive behavior among aborted
women. In a survey of over 100 women who
had suffered from post-abortion trauma,
fully 80 percent expressed feelings of
"self-hatred."
in the same study, 49 percent reported
drug abuse and 39 percent began to use or
increased their use of alcohol.
Approximately 14 percent described
themselves as having become "addicted" or
"alcoholic" after their abortions.
In addition, 60 percent reported suicidal
ideation, with 28 percent actually
attempting suicide, of which half
attempted suicide two or more times.
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Adoption Or Abortion Decision of a Lifetime Posted: 07-02-04 09:36am
Decisions ... Some are small and some are
very big. Some don’t affect your life at
all . Others have consequences you must
deal with the rest of your life.
If you are pregnant and unmarried, you are
faced with a big decision. “what am I
going to do with the baby inside of me?”
there are several options available, two
of which are adoption or abortion. Let us
compare the answers to questions regarding
these two choices. In some ways the
answers are very similar, but the
difference is a matter of life and
death.
If you adopt...
You will be free to pursue your goals and
dreams that you had before you were
pregnant.
You will not have to care for a baby
before you are ready.
You will not have the financial burden of
caring for a child.
You will not have to worry about finding a
sitter, missing out on the fun with your
friends and being tied down.
When you think of your baby, you will
think of him or her as happy and loved by
a mommy and daddy.
You will have precious memories of your
baby’s face, fingers, toes, eyes and
smile.
You will know you gave the greatest gift
of all - a child, to a couple whose hope
and dream was a baby to love.
If you abort...
You will be free to pursue your goals and
dreams that you had before you were
pregnant.
You will not have to care for a baby
before you are ready.
You will not have the financial burden of
caring for a child.
You will not have to worry about finding a
sitter, missing out on the fun with your
friends and being tied down.
There is no baby to think of; no smile, no
little fingers or toes to remember.
You have only the memory that you ended
your baby’s life.
Instead of feeling good about how your
pregnancy ended, you may feel sad and
empty.
But you can never go back and give that
child life!
Decisions ... Some are small and some are
very big. Some don’t affect your life at
all . Others have consequences you must
deal with the rest of your life.
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Adoption Testimony Posted: 07-02-04 09:49am
My name is tina.
When I was 17 I got pregnant.
I was really upset and confused. I
thought about abortion for a minute - it
would have been so easy.
But, I knew I couldn’t do that to my baby
so I decided on adoption.
It wasn’t easy but it was the right thing
to do.
That was many years ago. My “baby” is now
15. I have no regrets. I know she is
loved and happy.
If you are pregnant, don’t just say “no”
to adoption.
Think about it.
It could be the best thing for you and
your baby. You may have some questions
about adoption. I’ll try to answer
them.
Can I choose the family?
Yes. It’s not like it used to be when
everything was secretive. Most agencies
will give you letters with photos telling
you all about the couple. Many agencies
also let you meet and interview
prospective parents.
Can I have contact with my baby after the
adoption?
It depends on what you want. The agency
will match you with couples who want the
same degree of contact as you do. There
could be visits after the adoption, photos
and letters, phone contact - whatever you
and the adoptive couple are comfortable
with.
Though I haven’t seen her, I have
exchanged letters with catherine for the
past 15 years. She starts her letters
with, “dear birth mommy...”
will my child feel abandoned?
A good idea is to write a letter or send
something special you made or bought. If
you write, you can tell your child that
you loved her so much you gave her life
and a mommy and daddy.
These assurances will make your baby feel
special, not abandoned. When catherine’s
adoptive parents came to pick her up, she
wore a t-shirt I had made that said, “i
love my mommy and daddy.”
what if the father doesn’t want the
adoption?
The birth father’s rights are the same as
yours. If you go through an agency they
are used to working with fathers in this
situation.
How can I be sure my child will be well
cared for?
Any couple who adopts a child must be
approved by the agency. A complete
background check and home study is done on
them.
Are you still happy with your decision?
Yes! It was hard, mostly at first. But,
as time went on and I knew she was happy
and loved by a mommy and daddy, I felt
better.
I was able to go to college, marry and
have children of my own. I know abortion
seems easy, but it is also final.
I am so thankful I chose life for
catherine and so are her adoptive
parents!
For those who have had abortions, those
who have or think they may have any of the
post abortion syndrom symptoms described
in my post please visit:
rachel's vineyard is a safe place to
renew, rebuild and redeem hearts broken by
abortion ... Of restoration, renewal and
healing. Rachel's vineyard can help you
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Get Real! Posted: 07-03-04 15:47pm
I can see that you have never worked in
labor & delivery! Women get
infections while pregnant, during and
after! You have never seen a baby born
with d.T's! You have never seen a baby
born with gangrene! You have never seen
a baby born that has been tortured or
kicked! This is a forum, allow women to
have their rights! We are here to help
them and to understand, not to judge them!
If you are anti-abortion that is fine
but don't sit there and judge them, you
are not in there
shoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
sandy
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samie
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 07-04-04 05:21am
If you read the post I only discourage
abortion and offer other choices, you have
a problem with it because it discourages
abortion since you are obviously not pro
choice but pro abortion.
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Sinsaint
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 90
Posted: 07-04-04 09:28am
Quote:
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if you read the
post I only discourage abortion and offer
other choices, you have a problem with it
because it discourages abortion since you
are obviously not pro choice but pro
abortion.
you aren't trying to discourage abortion.
You are trying to scare people out of
having one. Big difference. Since every surgical
procedure carries the same risks it
is severely misleading to act as though
abortions carry the highest risk. People
get infections from routine surgery;
doctors make mistakes during routine
surgery. Pregnancy itself carries far
more risks than abortion does. Your posts
are nothing more than pro-life scare
tactics.
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PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 07-04-04 12:31pm
Thank you sinsaint.As I said before
abortion is a choice we as women have in
the u.S.I can remember being shown all the
gruesome pictures in grammar(catholic)
school and even watching some video as a
young adult when I thought I was
pregnant.It made me realize that I am able
to make up my own mind as to what is right
for me.Women have been able to terminate
their pregnancies since ancient times with
herbs and folk remedies,this is not new,we
are just more open about it.
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Samie Posted: 07-04-04 16:04pm
You have nooooooooooooo right to tell me
what I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I help
young and older females to have babies,
adopt their babies, get babies into better
homes and yes, I do help young females and
older females to abort their babies after
they(key word they) have made up there(key
word there) minds! So therefor I am
pro-choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a lot of
people have told you what this forum does,
is to help people that are wanting to
abort, and sometimes having, to abort, I
have nothing against having a baby either,
this is why I am
pro-choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
sandy
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-04-04 18:25pm
Well said!
Samie is under the false impression that
all prochoice people want people (and try
to convince people) to have abortions.
And then she has the nerve to tell us that
we are misinformed and misled.
Whatever.
She doesn't understand that we are just
open minded enough and caring enough to be
there for support no matter what the
decision is.
And samie, your little "alternatives"
would only work in certain circumstances.
Once again, you are being small minded
and not considering the fact that each
individual situation is different.
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samie
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 07-05-04 04:22am
Caring and supportive?
Caring towards women who k ill babies and
supportive because they k illed their
baby.
Hi my name is (insert your name) I am pro
choice, I am caring and supportive of
those who choose to k ill babies.
Don’t like that do you, how about…
hi my name is (insert your name) I am pro
choice I am caring and supportive of those
who choose to terminate a pregnancy.
Ah sigh of relief!!!
Hi my name is samie I am caring towards
people who k ill their babies and regret
it, don’t understand their actions or are
victims of social manipulation but I am
not supportive of their actions, I care
because they are ordinary people who often
feel pressured into k illing their child.
They are not mur deres or evil people.
Some don’t realise what they are doing and
those who do often feel guilt, remorse and
suffer tremendously because of their
actions, these women need care and help,
not chastisement.
It is those who support, offer and carry
out the abortion that needs the
chastisement.
Pro choice often claim pro life don’t care
about women yet 75% of all pro life
organisations are solely for pre or post
abortion care. Only 25% of pro life
organisations campaign for the overturn of
the law.
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-05-04 13:36pm
Get a freakin life. Not everyone feels
"pressured" to have an abortion, samie.
I believe the only reason you keep saying
that you were "pressured" is because you
won't admit it was your decision. So,
you blame everyone else.
Come on, and join the real world.
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samie
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 07-05-04 16:07pm
Geesh how many time do I have to be
attacked for having an abortion by pro
choice people.
I expected a lot more from you
hotasfrick!!!
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Tubby
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 120
Posted: 11-17-04 13:40pm
Let's see prochoice=1.A woman can choose
to keep her legs crossed and not get
pregnant
2. A woman can choose to keep her legs
uncrossed, experience an unwanted
pregnancy because she was too lazy to use
birth control, and roe vs. Wade
conveniently allows her to have an
abortion.
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 11-17-04 13:52pm
retarded
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Tubby
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 120
Posted: 11-18-04 00:42am
bd1012
wrote:
retarded
stop insulting yourself
bd1012!
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oopoopoop
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 1365 Location: ,
Thanks: 58
Thanked:3
Posted: 11-18-04 06:17am
tubby
wrote:
let's see prochoice=1.A
woman can choose to keep her legs crossed
and not get pregnant
2. A woman can choose to keep her legs
uncrossed, experience an unwanted
pregnancy because she was too lazy to use
birth control, and roe vs. Wade
conveniently allows her to have an
abortion.
this creature really needs to get a
reality check. How many times do you have
to be told why women have abortions? Why
do you have this pathetic hatred of women?
What is it about women having sex without
wanting to be pregnant that riles you so
badly?