London, england -- they walk. They
yawn. They rub their eyes. And it's
been only 12 weeks since they were
conceived.
Some incredible new ultrasound techniques
developed in great britain may change the
tenor of the heated debate over legal
abortion.
The ultrasound scans show 12-week-old
unborn babies not only walking in the
womb, but stretching and kicking--long
before the mother can feel the baby's
movements.
The images themselves came as a surprise
to professor stuart campbell of london's
create health clinic, who developed the
scans.
Campbell told the bbc, "this is a new
science for understanding and mapping out
the behavior of the baby. Maybe in the
future it will help us understand and
diagnose genetic disease, maybe even
conditions like cerebral palsy which
puzzles the medical profession as to why
it occurs."
the society for the protection of unborn
children, a british pro-life group, sees
the incredibly detailed images as a
breakthrough in the battle against
abortion.
The group's national director, john
smeaton, said, "these pictures are a
wonderful reminder of the fact that the
unborn child is a living human being.
These pictures are of babies as young as
12 weeks' gestation, the age at which a
large percentage of abortions are carried
out in this country."
"tragically, unborn children such as these
are killed at a rate of one every three
minutes," smeaton added. "we hope and
pray though that many lives will be saved
by these awe-inspiring pictures. We
challenge abortion providers, in the
interests of informed consent, to show
these pictures to women seeking
abortion."
however, smeaton suggests it would be a
mistake to use the pictures to push for
legislation at this time, since the
british parliament is not pro-life.
"it is essential that legislative
proposals aimed at changing the abortion
law are not put to parliament in this, the
most anti-life parliament in history,
because we are certain that a majority of
mps would vote to make abortion even more
widely available," smeaton said.
The 3-d ultrasound images have been
compiled in a book called, "watch me
grow."
campbell's work demonstrates that an
unborn baby engages in complex behavior
from an early stage in development.
The images show that, from 18 weeks,
unborn babies can open their eyes and from
26 weeks, they can scratch, smile, cry,
hiccup, and suck.
Until recently, a number of medical
professionals thought that smiling could
not occur until six weeks after birth.
In addition to captivating parents, the
detailed 3-d images could provide a
powerful weapon in the legal fight against
abortion.
For years, pro-abortion forces have
claimed that the unborn child is not a
person, and therefore is not entitled to
legal rights.
By demonstrating that unborn children can
engage in complicated human behavior long
before birth, the new technology could be
used to demonstrate that laws permitting
abortion are inhumane, according to
pro-life activists.
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sparklypixie12
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Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 3099
Posted: 07-05-04 12:40pm
Did you read the article in the daily mail
with the pictures?? It's amazing to see
the expressions and movements of the baby
in the womb
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-05-04 13:48pm
Whatever samie. Blah blah blah.
Yeah, let's make abortion illegal and
hundreds of thousands of unwanted babies!
More welfare, more crack babies, more
women aborting their own fetuses, more
abuse, more children in the adoption
system, more kids on the street.
Wonderful.
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samie
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 07-05-04 14:26pm
Less in the grave....
Sorry incinorator or medical wast disposal
units
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-06-04 00:38am
What is it like living in fantasy land
anyway?
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samie
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 07-06-04 03:05am
Is that some cheap european copy of disney
land?
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-06-04 17:27pm
No, it is inside your head.
It is time to go home, samie. Let's
leave the real world, to those with
competency.
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samie
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 07-07-04 04:07am
Can I ask you two questions
1. Why do you keep insulting me or at
least trying to insult me?
2. Is that a good enough reason to behave
in such a manor towards a fellow human
being?
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-09-04 03:11am
I insult you because you are acting like a
fool. I am not trying to be mean or to
hurt your feelings. I would just like you
to open your eyes and read posts before
responding.
I really am sorry if I offended you, I
just get so upset at your posts that have
nothing to do with the topic. And with
your quotes and opinions that you list as
fact. It is very frustrating.
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samie
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 665
Posted: 07-09-04 04:39am
I list statisics as statistical data,
biological fact as biological fact, I list
opinions as opinions and I use quotes to
back my posts up. You do nothing like
that.
I wonder if you keep calling me a fool to
convince other people or just yourself
that I am posting lies, when I am not.
Most of my educational information comes
from medical, political, religious and
other books, internet, govenment stats and
other reputable sources such as scientific
research and are freely available to
everyone if you just researched it
yourself.
I dont mean to get you upset but I wont
pretend abortion dosnt k ill a human being
just to further a political agenda or to
keep you in denile, I wont lie to enable
woman to homicide another human being
without conscience, out of fear, hatred,
social ideologies or medical conditions
that can be treated without k illing the
baby, cancer for example or for any other
unacceptable reason for k illing.
I dont care if you think I am a fool or
idiotic or a complete waste of space I am
not offended by your name calling. I
simply pitty you and hate those who have
made you like this.
I am sorry if sometimes it seems as though
I am fighting you I am not I am fighting
the mentality you have as a result of
slogans and propergander.
I know its not your fault I am not your
enemy I am (believe it or not) on
yourside, I fight not against people like
you but fight to protect those of weak
mind.
By fighting against those who use a system
called perception managment, I encounter
people who have fallen victim to this
every single day, you are not alone in
your misfortune many people have weak
minds many, many people so dont worry your
not slow or uneducated just educated to a
different set of ideologies those which
different people of power wish you to
have.
Perception management example:
20 to 30 years ago it was not socialy
unacceptable to drink and drive but over
the last 20 - 30 years we have had little
bits of information as to why its wrong
odd programmes, reports in newspapers and
tv news of accidents, different
advertisments ect so now 20 or 30 years
later it is not only a crime but is
frowned upon by society and rightly so.
This same tactic has been consistantly
used but sightly more subtle in regards to
abortion rights, it is often portrayed in
soaps to make the viewer feel for the
woman and ignore the baby, newspaper
reports and televison promotion of pro
choice ideology.
Thankfully the powers that be, are slowly
changing the system to promotion of a
more pro life p.O.V (we are winning) but
dont get me wrong its not down to pro life
that we are winning its just politicaly
and socialy more benifical to raise
awareness in this area, due to certain
economical downfalls abortion has had on
society.
Such as loss of pensions, loss of work
force, loss of schools loss of population,
the need to increase immigration numbers
(oh you didnt think ilegal immigrants got
better social benifits for no reason did
you?) and other related reasons.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-10-04 03:10am
Samie...No you don't. Everything you
list, you say is fact when it is nothing
but opinion. So, get over yourself. I
don't have to convince myself you are a
fool. I already know that.
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where_is_the_line
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Dear Hotasfrick... Posted: 07-24-04 00:20am
I'm not saying I agree with all of samie's
logic or opinions, and I haven't seen
enough of them to honestly say. But when
samie makes a post largely quoting a
newspaper source, yea, there is some
inevitable connotation of fact there!
Newspapers are supposed to print fact,
unless it's in the editorial section,
which is still supposed to use fact in the
basis of their opinion, which you should
try some more hotasfrick. Instead of
belittling people who disagree with you.
Please try and offer concrete counter
points. What justifies abortion?
Maybe you are getting upset and frustrated
because some of the facts do not favor
your opinions? I don't see samie claiming
everything posted is fact when some of it
is clearly opinion.
You insult samie because she is a fool.
Maybe it is foolish to insult. I haven't
seen many, if any, posts by samie that do
not relate to the topic of abortion, and
if they are somewhat off topic, it is in
response to someone else's comment, so
samie is not the one going off topic
originally.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-24-04 14:50pm
Quit bumping up old posts and trying to
start arguments.
I was pretty sure that you were samie when
you first joined this site, but you
actually use proper grammar, so you must
just be one of her "friends"
so, go back and read samie's crap and then
you will understand why I call her a
fool.
Samie quotes things out of context....Yes,
it may be a fact that scientist, mr.So and
so, said," blah blah blah" that is a fact,
but the only fact there is that is what he
said. It does not make what he said,
fact.
So, don't start with me. I don't have
time for samie want to be's. I do not
call samie names because she does not
agree with me, I call her a fool because
she is. Besides, she is a he who claimed
to have had an abortion.....
If she/he is so sure of himself, then why
did he need to lie?
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PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 07-24-04 15:44pm
So why do you think this "line" person is
posting on sami's old posts?Don't you
think we all see the similarities???We are
pro-choice,not stupid!Patty
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-24-04 15:52pm
Exactly!
And odd how I get argued with right away!
Do I sense a grudge?
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where_is_the_line
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Posted: 07-24-04 16:41pm
Well i'm not samie, and I don't know
samie, and I just thought i'd comment
based on what I saw, I admitted I haven't
been around here long enough to really
know the history. I'm posting on what I
see, I just recently found this forum.
Are there more recent threads that you
won't complain about me commenting on?
I'm def not a samie wannabe, lol, I don't
even know this person, and I had a
suspicion she might really be a he too.
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sparklypixie12
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Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 3099
Posted: 07-27-04 10:57am
You blatantly are samie!
Why else would you be suspicious that she
was really a he???
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-30-04 01:35am
Yeah, whatever.....
Liz, is that you in your avatar? If so,
you are really freakin pretty!
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sparklypixie12
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 3099
Posted: 07-30-04 09:07am
Yeah that's me-
omg i'm not pretty! That just happens to
be the best pic I have! But thank you for
the compliment :d
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PattyV
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Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
omg i'm not pretty! That just happens to
be the best pic I have! But thank you for
the compliment :d
